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Post Post #5225 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:51 am

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In post 5222, Nero Cain wrote:For the sake of the argument lets just say that EP is obvtown. How then could he possibly be scum? If only there was a mechanic that changed people's alignments. I tried.
Oh. Yeah, that's a thing.

(To be fair, in my last game the cult recruit was a revive.)
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Post Post #5226 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:55 am

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So, logically that makes me a prime target for culting as well. Except when considering how many people seem to have missed the fact that I was cleared.
Bingle would also be a decent recruit, as would Gobbles.
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Post Post #5227 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:03 am

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You guys are basically saying that is a town slip and ok but fake dumb tells and scum can just say and do dumb things. I think my reasoning for not liking his TSE attack TODAY is valid. Maybe you could say if he was cult and not team scum he's not the play today b/c he only has 2.7% chance of flipping scum and ok sure.
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Post Post #5228 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:04 am

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VOTE: vork
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #5229 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:22 am

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As much as I hate to admit it, and I absolutely refuse to go into detail, unless Rauth was already cult and this is one big RCE/Rauth gambit, there is no way Rauth was culted last night. That may not hold true in the future though.
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Post Post #5230 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:32 am

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In post 5217, RCEnigma wrote:Another scenario: Menalque knows what I'm talking about but declined to receive it in case I'm gambiting. Like trying to catch scum with a disloyal fruit or something.
The evidence from night very obviously pointed to what Mr. Enigma was claiming to be able to do.
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Post Post #5231 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:35 am

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I make a note in my notebook: "Lynching cult recruits is bad and we should not be trying to do it., absent evidence suggesting cult can only recruit X times."
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Post Post #5232 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:38 am

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Cult can only recruit X times, where X is the number of nights the cult leader is alive and unblocked.
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Post Post #5233 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:40 am

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And yeah, I agree.
If we were going to try to lynch the cult recruit, we would probably end the day stringing up the friendly neighbor. Which is generally considered a bad idea.
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Post Post #5234 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:46 am

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In post 5232, Rautherdir wrote:Cult can only recruit X times, where X is the number of nights the cult leader is alive and unblocked.
I hoped this possibility would lead him to seeing the validity of my note, but he arrived at the wrong conclusion, so I explained.

If you lynch a cult recruit you go to night, cult recruits again, and you accomplished nothing.
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Post Post #5235 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:48 am

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I was developing a sneaking suspicion that the high number of ways to confirm innocents among this group (daycop, fn, hider) was designed by some sort of deity to punish us for being loose with information in a cult sotuation.
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Post Post #5236 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:51 am

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In post 5196, Cephrir wrote:
It was funny how Korina's desires were a self-unfulfilling prophecy.
Except when it comes around to night 2, when cult can recruit Korina with impunity because Korina implied he would actually start playing the game on day 3.

... Which is kind of what I was going to do for the simpler reason of being too lazy to attempt sorting 39 other players including multiple post-heavy players, but then things happened and I started playing the game in earnest a bit earlier then I had originally intended. (at least now it's only 36 other players, and really kind of only 34 since I believe Gobbles and RCE to be town... Yeah I'm going to just start assembling a list now.)

p-edit:
My point was that we probably shouldn't try lynching the recruit. A supporting point is that if I remember correctly from the Cult Q&A Cult leader dies after attempting to recruit scum, so hopefully that happens eventually.
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Post Post #5237 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:02 am

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Preliminary Reads List:
In spoilers because it's a bit large.

Spoiler:
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Probably Scum
Vorkuta (Various reasons, including Formerfish Association and being the counterwagon to Drew)


I'm not sure if the recruit would happen before hider, if it would then Zoraster can be full town for today. (Considering they weren't town read I might go ahead and do that anyways in future lists.)
Also, anyone want me to do another unofficial vote count?
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Post Post #5238 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:09 am

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In post 5237, Rautherdir wrote:being the counterwagon to Drew
I shook my head sadly. Was this really what society had come to?
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Post Post #5239 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:12 am

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In post 5238, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5237, Rautherdir wrote:being the counterwagon to Drew
I shook my head sadly. Was this really what society had come to?
It's a new reason. I'm not listing any of the older reasons. And no, it's not an especially good reason. (And I probably should have phrased it as Drew being the counterwagon to Vork, in retrospect.)
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Post Post #5240 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:37 am

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In post 5237, Rautherdir wrote:Preliminary Reads List:
In spoilers because it's a bit large.

I'm not sure if the recruit would happen before hider, if it would then Zoraster can be full town for today. (Considering they weren't town read I might go ahead and do that anyways in future lists.)
Also, anyone want me to do another unofficial vote count?
Logically, hide before recruit, since kill before recruit otherwise you get the spectre of someone having an antitown WC having not spent a second of the game playing as an antitown.
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Post Post #5241 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:38 am

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Still, I kind of doubt Zoraster would have been a good recruit target. (Or would cult be hitting the middle of the list instead?)
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Post Post #5242 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:13 am

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In post 5236, Rautherdir wrote:
In post 5196, Cephrir wrote:
It was funny how Korina's desires were a self-unfulfilling prophecy.
Except when it comes around to night 2, when cult can recruit Korina with impunity because Korina implied he would actually start playing the game on day 3.
What? When did I? If anything, I'd start playing when there's like 20ish players left, or if someone asks me something. Otherwise, I'm just gonna lurk and bitch about not rolling cult.

I fucking hate that I didn't roll cult, fml. I just fucking wanna roll cult.
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Post Post #5243 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am

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chkflip says he uses NAR, which has Hide before recruit. I wasn't culted, but if I was, I don't think it'd affect Alisae's hiding.
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Post Post #5244 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 5152, Rautherdir wrote:Also, not going to be sheeping Flavor Leaf anymore. Probably sheep Bingle after he moves off of TSE. Or maybe 37 people alive is low enough to figure this out myself, who knows.
My vague plan for the day is to throw my weight behind the largest wagon I'm not townreading the subject of, so...
In post 5243, zoraster wrote:chkflip says he uses NAR, which has Hide before recruit. I wasn't culted, but if I was, I don't think it'd affect Alisae's hiding.
Vaguely want to point out that there are a ton of hider variants and not knowing which one Ali has (is e immune to block attempts? Is e targeted by all actions targeting eir target, or just killing ones?) Zor is a bad place to hunt today.

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Vaguely agree with Nero that EP's posting looks p shit today.
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Post Post #5245 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:42 am

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@Mod:
V/LA until November 22nd.
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Post Post #5246 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:46 am

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In post 5242, Korina wrote:
In post 5236, Rautherdir wrote:
In post 5196, Cephrir wrote:
It was funny how Korina's desires were a self-unfulfilling prophecy.
Except when it comes around to night 2, when cult can recruit Korina with impunity because Korina implied he would actually start playing the game on day 3.
What? When did I? If anything, I'd start playing when there's like 20ish players left, or if someone asks me something. Otherwise, I'm just gonna lurk and bitch about not rolling cult.

I fucking hate that I didn't roll cult, fml. I just fucking wanna roll cult.
You implied it would be day 2 by explicitly listing what you would do for day start not rolling cult and also day 1 not getting recruited.
But then again that's just an implication.
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Post Post #5247 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:49 am

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@rauth: Sorry for missing that. That claim from RCE is very unclear and fragmented, but regardless, definitely don’t want to lynch in that direction today. Good cop target too so that seems town on both ends.
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Post Post #5248 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:52 am

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In post 5247, Amrun wrote:@rauth: Sorry for missing that. That claim from RCE is very unclear and fragmented, but regardless, definitely don’t want to lynch in that direction today. Good cop target too so that seems town on both ends.
Yeah, I'm kind of terrible at towning on day 1. Only real exception to that was my last game... where I was scum.
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Post Post #5249 (ISO) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:32 am

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In post 5224, Nero Cain wrote:but its clearly impossible that EP gets culted.

IMPOSSIBLE.
Well yeah, I didn’t recruit him duh doy

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