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[Hopkirk]

The lack of votecounts in this game makes trying to go back ridiculously difficult and it's really annoying/wasting time. Trying to get an understanding of the votes at that point is basically impossible unless I spend time I don't have on it.

[Hectic]

Fine, let's just lynch Eevee and get this day over with. I can blame the conftown if Eevee flip towns.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Lilly has been conf town since D1 or D2 at the absolute latest. Dave got killed after scum finished hitting the PRs the wanted (namely trackers. Look, scum killed off any way of testing VT claims. I think that's a good place to be looking. I think Garmr could be town and alive because there is always a decent level of interest in support of lynching him. I think we need to deep dive Lilly's reads and assume they are very wrong at least where it matters, because I think she's be dead otherwise. I think something similar is probably true with me after D3 which is why I'm reassessing Eevee. But I think that's what I'm gonna do during the night phase is dog through where the live conf townies are with their reads vs. where the dead ones are at.

[Hopkirk]

Sorry I don't use your method of referencing EE. Sorry real life has prevented me from posting but I am trying to catch up.

This is a terrible response. Looking through your entire posting and you don't mention Eevee by any other names either, except for that one reference you made that you quoted above which wasn't about Eevee at all.

Eevee is EEArmy which is Evolution Army sooo it was exactly about that slot.

Ok so you're saying you have mentioned Eevee because you say

Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy

that's fulfilling the technical wording of the problem I have but not the actual reason it's a problem.

Your attacks on me there I address and you ignored my responses. You've been throwing very minor shade without following up and you're clearly positioning.

How come you didn't mention anything about Eevee after Alonzo flipped town given what you say in 3242?

Cop guilty combined with real life. Then it slipped my mind.

It clearly ignores the actual point 'you have not mentioned Eevee directly or meaningfully at all'.
If the best response you can make it 'I mentioned them offhand once while refereed to the wagon on them without following up with an opinion later' is the best you can do then you're not answering the question, you're trying to make it look like you've answered or that I'm unreasonable. It's weaselly rules lawyery avoiding the actual question.

Hardly. You're just arguing what I can do is never good enough. I don't deny that I didn't follow up. I am not sure that's the only interaction but in that interaction, I clearly take the position that EEArmy is town and act accordingly in thread.

What do you feel about the lie here?

I attack Titus saying she hasn't mentioned Eevee.
Titus responds she has mentioned Eevee as she made an offhand reference without commenting on Eevee. She also says I must have not looked at mispellings and that she clearly townread Eevee.

She did not clearly townread Eevee at any point.
There was one misspelling which I quoted which did not mention any meaningful comment on Eevee, it was the one I mention where it's an offhand mention.

She then stopped responding to this line of questions.

[Hopkirk]

Let's just lynch Titus/Eevee/Tex instead of wasting time discussing then doing it anyway.

[Rick Dalton]

I believe Eevee is L-2.

[Hectic]

I mean, that does look pretty scummy. I want to believe you're town, but I just really don't get your flip on me knowing what we both know.

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Are you still of this opinion?

[Hopkirk]

@Aaron: why did you remove Eevee from your scumpool then agree we could lynch Eevee next? Is there anyone you townread out of all the non confirmed?

[Hopkirk]

I mean, that does look pretty scummy. I want to believe you're town, but I just really don't get your flip on me knowing what we both know.

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Are you still of this opinion?

I don't understand your turn on me/the reasoning behind it. If you think I'm 100% sure (which I've said I definitely am not confident enough in the towntell to be) you were town then changed to a scumlean then it should have been an instant turn rather than taking a day. It should have been either instant or not at all.

If you're town Aaron probably just replaces you as scum.

[Hopkirk]

I wonder if the scum are sweating in their PT thinking 'Is their mutual scumread just all an act so we don't kill either of them before lylo where we auto lose'.

[Hopkirk]

I'm semi-concerned how everyone seems to be scumreading 'at least one of Hopkirk/Hectic' so if one of us flipped town the other would be lynched.
Also Aaron/Tex pushing 'Hop and Hec' despite not picking up on the actually weird interactions we've had and using bad/np reasons instead.

[Hectic]

I keep flipping on you on my head now. Most of your play this game has been towny but there are certain things I'm struggling to let go. Whatever, I can figure you out on a future day.

[Hopkirk]

Night caralilly1- No results
Night 2 Tchill-No visits
Night 3-Hopkirk- no vists because I expected scum to kill the doctor and

Hopkirk claimed a power role. That could sort things

.
Night 4...

I been

under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt

+ a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.

Could you explain this?

[Hopkirk]

Unless you were assuming I was mason backup watcher or something this doesn't seem to make sense?

[Hectic]

I wonder if the scum are sweating in their PT thinking 'Is their mutual scumread just all an act so we don't kill either of them before lylo where we auto lose'.

Wow.
It was going so well, no one including the mod even realised the secret messages we've been conveying each other in these "argument" posts.

[AaronFrost]

@Mod:

V/LA until November 22nd.

[Hectic]

I'm semi-concerned how everyone seems to be scumreading 'at least one of Hopkirk/Hectic' so if one of us flipped town the other would be lynched.
Also Aaron/Tex pushing 'Hop and Hec' despite not picking up on the actually weird interactions we've had and using bad/np reasons instead.

Definitely agree with this. Hence why I started disliking Aaron since he brought those theories up. If you're both scum, he's positioning to scumread one of us before he decided on me (which is exactly what he did). If you're town, he's leaving two potential mislynches open with little reasoning other than "their interactions are weird".

[Hopkirk]

The A is the name of someone we know shortened for anonymity.
I assume the

R

etc

is the towntell I

claim to

have on Hectic

.

I have

n't

tested i

n

t

hat much online, but

it works fairly consistently

irl.
I don't understand why he used R either so that probably doesn't count as a code since only Hectic knew what it meant.

Obvious when you think about it tbh

[Hectic]

@Mod:

V/LA until November 22nd.

How could you do this to me, Aaron? And after I placed all my trust and faith in you.
Fine, I know what you want me to say, you can be so manipulative sometimes.
Send over your login details and I'll pilot the account for you until you return.

[Hopkirk]

Hey Aaron while you're here is there anyone you townread except the conf town/Rick?

[Hopkirk]

Let's take a look at Titus/Tex/AFF/Eevee then?

[AaronFrost]

Billy/Carca are the only conf!town left alive right?

[Hopkirk]

Pedit: Bob close enough to confirmed.

There's literally no explanation for why AFF went from 'hard null' on 4 separate occasions to 'definite scum' on Titus and he's been voting us less than you'd expect him to if he was that sure on us.

[Hopkirk]

Tex: Wants to vote Hectic/Hopkirk/Garmr
AFF: Wants to vote Garmr/Hectic/Hopkirk (from what I can tell). Voted Titus with no explanation then quickly recanted it.


Hm

[Hopkirk]

Tex: Wants to vote Hectic/Hopkirk/Garmr
AFF: Wants to vote Garmr/Hectic/Hopkirk (from what I can tell). Voted Titus with no explanation then quickly recanted it.


Hm

Tex: Wants to vote Hectic/Hopkirk/Garmr
AFF: Wants to vote Garmr/Hectic/Hopkirk (from what I can tell). Voted Titus with no explanation then quickly recanted it.
Titus: Wants to vote Garmr. Does not want to lynch Eevee. Shading me.

Only outlier here is Eevee
Eevee: Wants to lynch Tex/AFF/Garmr/Titus. Has said one of us is probably bad.