Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Robbnva]

and yes, I realize it's wifom but it's also true. Ask skitter and tchill. My scum game is strong

[Rabid Schnauzer]

Another scum game of robb FWIW:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80031

[Rabid Schnauzer]

tbh, if I was scum I would be too afraid of changing my meta/playstyle. Obviously you have to just take my word for it but under one of my accounts (probably jfsf) I did try and change my play but I rolled scum and it is so much easier to bull in a china shop as scum than it is to experiment with a new playstyle. Everyone is automatically going to wonder why the change. As town i don't care how I am perceived. As scum I absolutely do.

What are your open alts?

[Robbnva]

Look at the ban forum. They are all listed recently

[Robbnva]

Ban thread*

[Robbnva]

There are differences btw but they are subtle. That’s why I made to comment about your play reminding me of my own scum game. There is a huge difference.

[Hectic]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

Still busy so haven't caught up, but wanted to outline what I found scummy here:
Makes one point on Tchill which is completely AI, acknowledges that but puts him as a townlean.
Why would Robb's post count be AI?
Uses gambler's fallacy on Skitter being town. I'm gonna assume you're not stupid, and understand that Skitter's role in this game is irrelevant and independent to whatever she's rolled in precious games. So assuming that, this is a non-reason to call her town.
Why is my abrasiveness scum-inidicative? Surely scum would take extra care to make friends and not enemies?
Gives no reason for possibly putting Rabid in the scum pile.

Basically, there's not single specific reason in his reads, and a lot of them sound like fabricated bullshit that he's throwing out for the sake of giving out reads.

He's

Sour Soya Milk.

[Tchill13]

and yes, I realize it's wifom but it's also true. Ask skitter and tchill. My scum game is strong

its manipulative of youre town game. it is better than a lot of players on site i'll give it that.

[Tchill13]

i do concede my point on rabid is silly because i do ultimately tr him, its just a pet peeve of mine.

of the 4 of us id choose hectic to be scum.

w/ garmr (for little to no reason except a guess)

[cyrus62]

Official Vote Count 1.03

Lynching
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

bob3141:(0)
Tchill13:(1) Rabid Schnauzer
Garmr:(0)
Robbnva:(1) skitter30
Wake88:(2) BrightEyedFish Tchill13
Hectic:(0)
skitter30:(0)
Rabid Schnauzer:(1) Robbnva
BrightEyedFish:(3) bob3141,Hectic,Garmr

Not Voting (9): Wake88 .

Deadline (expired on 2019-11-29 20:40:00)

[Hectic]

I can only go off what i see and your entire iso has been skewed towards me being scum. So you are either conf. biased or are scum. if you were sorting me, there would be more questions trying to understand my thought process.

You're projecting. Maybe you prefer to sort through gentle questioning, rather than pressure. I in general prefer pressure. And, my read on you has adjusted because of it.

at this point you need to not worry about convincing me you are town.

OK. Sorry to hear your mind is closed this early, but really we need to end this now anyway as I suspect it's TvT and providing cover for scum.

How did your read adjust from pressuring Robb?
At what point did you start figuring he was Town?

[Hectic]

i do concede my point on rabid is silly because i do ultimately tr him, its just a pet peeve of mine.

of the 4 of us id choose hectic to be scum.

w/ garmr (for little to no reason except a guess)

Why?

[Hectic]

Wake is still scummy. I'll post some more examples later of why his play this game is subtlety different to his town games.

[Hectic]

Rabid is making some good points on both Robb and Tchill.
@Tchill: I'd like to hear some

concrete reads from you on the HecticVRobb thing

, and now this RabidVRobb thing.

I think you're both highly emotional players that tend to let that dilute your games.

Robb ik is aware of this as scum. He is capable of manipulating it.

Hectic I pretty much focused on manipulating to win a scum game due to his emotion. I've never seen him play scum.

I'm not jumping at the chance to take stances on you two.

Emotional?
Emotional?!
I'M NOT FUCKING EMOTIONAL. You have no fucking right to call me that

Point to just ONE post where I've been "emotional", and I'll self-vote.

[Garmr]

Official Vote Count 1.03
Lynching
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

bob3141:0
Tchill13:1 Rabid Schnauzer
Garmr:0
Robbnva:1 skitter30
Wake88:1 BrightEyedFish,Tchill13
Hectic:0
skitter30 :0
Rabid Schnauzer: Robbnva
BrightEyedFish : 3 Garmr, Hectic bob3141

Not Voting (9): Wake88 .(expired on 2019-11-29 20:40:00)

The Vote count is wrong it should be like this.

[Garmr]

Rabid is making some good points on both Robb and Tchill.
@Tchill: I'd like to hear some

concrete reads from you on the HecticVRobb thing

, and now this RabidVRobb thing.

I think you're both highly emotional players that tend to let that dilute your games.

Robb ik is aware of this as scum. He is capable of manipulating it.

Hectic I pretty much focused on manipulating to win a scum game due to his emotion. I've never seen him play scum.

I'm not jumping at the chance to take stances on you two.

Emotional?
Emotional?!
I'M NOT FUCKING EMOTIONAL. You have no fucking right to call me that

Point to just ONE post where I've been "emotional", and I'll self-vote.

Is this post a joke? Because this post is Emotional.

[Hectic]

Huh. Well played, sir, well played.

VOTE: Hectic

[Hectic]

That's the first time I've ever self-voted on this site. I hope you're proud of yourself.

[Robbnva]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

Self vote now?

[Garmr]

I also don't like rabids push on robb it seemed kinda forced. But what makes me conflicted is his moves make more sense if Bright is a mislynch than a actual scum mate. The white knighting of fish and the chainsaw on robb. It's something I would do to a mislynch as scum. But I also acknowledge there are those on the site that would be protective of their scum mate. So I guess scum lean.

Tchill... I was going to push a entire case on him unvoting bright eyed fish with out much warning or reasoning but I realised Bob pushed fish to L-1. But what ercs me is voting wake while pushing that both me and hectic are scum partners. While at the same time his posts don't line up. Chucks mud on Rabid then calls him townish. His stances don't really seem hard either. Something seems different this game compared to my previous games the only thing similar is my scum read on him. This time I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.

While bright eyeds posting didn't really change my view on him. Rabid white knighting him, Tchill Scum reading two people on Brights wagons as if he knows Brights flipping town. I am going to chuck him into Null town because of other peoples reactions around him.



Confirmed Town
garmr

town
hectic
Robbnva

Null town.
Bright eyed fish



Scum
Rabid
Tchill

Even through both are on my scum list I don't feel they are both scum togther.

VOTE: T-chill

[Hectic]

I'm reading Robb and Rabid as TvT.
I agree with points Rabid and Garmr have made on Tchill. Wake, Tchill, and Fish are my lynchpool.

VOTE: Tchill

Case on Wake soon.tm.

[Robbnva]

Hope you’re feeling better. Looking forward to more content you and hopefully some others also.

@hectic. What do you make of rabid saying he was trying to sort me when his iso clearly shows he had already decided my alignment before he actually pressured me? How can this or any of his behavior tbh, be town?

I’m not on board with a Tchill lynch just in case anyone is hoping I’ll join. I have at least 4 names ahead of him on my lynch list.

[Hectic]

@hectic. What do you make of rabid saying he was trying to sort me when his iso clearly shows he had already decided my alignment before he actually pressured me? How can this or any of his behavior tbh, be town?

His read progression on you throughout that interaction isn't very clear. I was surprised to hear him say he thought the interaction was TvT, which is why I've questioned him on when he landed on you being town.

[Robbnva]

I already asked him and he ignored it. Hopefully he answers you. In a span of two hours his read did a 180.

[Hectic]

What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?

You're scum.

You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue. Fact is I had already changed my RVS vote to a serious vote on you due to your reaction to Hectic's posts, which clearly seemed to be joking or RT to me.

hectic - what do you make of schnauzer's playstyle shift after getting called out? ignore the points he made because tbh the points he made could be made as either alignment, does the playstyle shift itself concern you?

Scummy AF.

at this point you need to not worry about convincing me you are town.

OK. Sorry to hear your mind is closed this early, but really we need to end this now anyway as I suspect it's TvT and providing cover for scum.

Like what changed between the first two and last post?
Otherwise though, his arguments and logic have been sound which is why I still think it's TvT.