Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Robbnva]

His logic actually hasn’t been sound. If anything tchill made a better arugument. Rabid wanting to “sort” skitter and then just sheep him is a terrible idea if town but that’s what he said he wanted to do. His fence sitting comments about tchill weren’t actually fence sitting imo. Not when he has knowledge of our play style.

All his reasons for pushing me were bad. His reasons for tchill look bad. I doubt anyone can find one solid argument he’s made.

[Robbnva]

but you’re in my lynch list and he was chainsaw defending you so I don’t expect you to actually evaluate him honestly. He’s either pocketed you are you’re scum with him.

[Hectic]

Wake as town is usually more brief when talking about his observing. And when people question him on it, he usually responds and interacts with them.
Here, his first post is very defensive, and he has solidly ignored all questions and interrogations since then. He shouldn't be given a free pass.

I hate Day 1 shenanigans. I need something to actually work with.

Observing for now.

It's been awhile.

If Scum could hurry up and get nervous that'd be great. I pick up on nervousness​ extremely quickly.

Gonna read through the last 2 pages. Don't ask me how I play, or tell me how to play. I play as I play. I play at my own pace. That said, do routinely ask me questions and engage or I will destroy you if you're Scum.

Hey all.

My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.

I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.

I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.

[Hectic]

His logic actually hasn’t been sound. If anything tchill made a better arugument. Rabid wanting to “sort” skitter and then just sheep him is a terrible idea if town but that’s what he said he wanted to do. His fence sitting comments about tchill weren’t actually fence sitting imo. Not when he has knowledge of our play style.

All his reasons for pushing me were bad. His reasons for tchill look bad. I doubt anyone can find one solid argument he’s made.

but you’re in my lynch list and he was chainsaw defending you so I don’t expect you to actually evaluate him honestly. He’s either pocketed you are you’re scum with him.

You're biased because most of the game consists of him attacking you. I don't understand how the point on Tchill fencesitting is invalid if he knows our playstyles. He can still determine our alignments from the contents of our argument. He commented on it without taking a stance/side, or even suggesting if it was SvS, TvT, or TvS.
I'm not "pocketed" by him if he's scum. It's a townlean. You're overreacting in that second post.

[Robbnva]

there was no need to take a stance though. Early game and two hot heads are doing what they normally do (according to him. I can’t speak on your play). Smart play is don’t encourage it. Don’t stoke the fire. Look elsewhere.

People hate tvt fights. Rabid stoked the fire. He took a side without even attempting to sort. Then later when it seems that I may not be lynched. His read has changed. He still hasn’t tried to sort me.


Remember when I said rabid is sort of playing my scum game? my scum game is to push surface level scummy behavior and make people think it’s not. He’s pushing surface level scummy behavior and he tries to stoke the fire in me vs you. He’s done no actual sorting.

[Robbnva]

If we were two days til deadline and somebody was fence sitting, then I’d listen to that argument. Not irl day 2 when half the player list hasn't posted.

[Robbnva]

But seriously. Nobody even the participants really want to be in a back and forth for 20 pages. How can anyone sort who is scum and town?

That’s why I tried to back out of it even though it made you drop your read from high town to less town. They suck. Nobody wants to read it (look at bob asking for a summary).

Rabid’s point isn’t as good as you think it is. Keep your read on him if you want but if you’re town really dig deeper at things. That’s why it took so long for me to even vote him. I could see misguided town accusing me these things but eventually it was one bad thing on top of another. Mix in a little hypocrisy and bold face lies and I just don’t see town anymore.

[Robbnva]

I’m going to log off for the night. Had a long day, don’t feel well and I’ve definitely posted way too much already.

Hopefully wake/skitter/Bob/bef/and Garmr post more

[Hectic]

there was no need to take a stance though. Early game and two hot heads are doing what they normally do (according to him. I can’t speak on your play). Smart play is don’t encourage it. Don’t stoke the fire. Look elsewhere.

People hate tvt fights. Rabid stoked the fire. He took a side without even attempting to sort. Then later when it seems that I may not be lynched. His read has changed. He still hasn’t tried to sort me.


Remember when I said rabid is sort of playing my scum game? my scum game is to push surface level scummy behavior and make people think it’s not. He’s pushing surface level scummy behavior and he tries to stoke the fire in me vs you. He’s done no actual sorting.

This isn't what I normally do though. Tchill's been in two games with me. One I was similar to how I was at the start of this game, see this post for example: viewtopic.php?p=11221494&user_select%5B ... #p11221494

But I also have ISOs like this: viewtopic.php?t=80753&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I'm in a ongoing game with Tchill where I was nothing like this, so this isn't standard NAI behaviour form me.

[Hectic]

I'll wait for his response regarding his read progression on you before I comment further on stuff.

[skitter30]

got my eye on skitter's probing of robb for sure.

because ...

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I took a sezuire so I'm not up for posting will tomorrow.

oh no, i hope you're ok :/

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i dont' think rabid/robb is svs and i think rabid looks better than robb does

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ob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

this is a bad readslist but i'm not sure it's scummy, the self-awareness is lowkey townie, i think
this is also a bad reason to townread me

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Damn, Fish's reads list is terrible. Haven't got time now but will elaborate later.

VOTE: Fish

i don't particularly like this vote; i feel like you took the lynchbait too easily

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i think rabid is kinda townie maybe

[Wake1]

Wake as town is usually more brief when talking about his observing. And when people question him on it, he usually responds and interacts with them.
Here, his first post is very defensive, and he has solidly ignored all questions and interrogations since then. He shouldn't be given a free pass.

I hate Day 1 shenanigans. I need something to actually work with.

Observing for now.

It's been awhile.

If Scum could hurry up and get nervous that'd be great. I pick up on nervousness​ extremely quickly.

Gonna read through the last 2 pages. Don't ask me how I play, or tell me how to play. I play as I play. I play at my own pace. That said, do routinely ask me questions and engage or I will destroy you if you're Scum.

Hey all.

My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.

I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.

I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.

You shouldn't use posts from very old, past games to determine my current gameplay.

A lot has changed in my life, as has me as a person.

[skitter30]

If you remove robb and hectic then we're still in RVS and literally nobody is posting.

VOTE: bob

dude how is this like anything more than an rvs vote at this point ...

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i'm really not liking tchill at this point
his bob vote makes like no sense at all

[skitter30]

i really don't like tchill's resolutely not taking a stand and saying nothing has happened besides for the robb/hectic/rabid thing and then make an rvs vote ....
it kinda makes me vibe tchill/robb and i don't know why

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is rabid genuinely concerned about tchill being wary of easy goers then not taking a stance on robb/hectic? Does he genuinely think scum! robb is gonna make that particular reason why he votes hectic and starts all this crap (shitty reasoning imo)

or is rabid making a lot of noise and trying to get rid of robb here because that'd be a unique play for scum here....

thats the question.

i'm confused why out of the two of them you're trying to sort rabid and put the onus on everyone to figure out what his alignment is when you just made a thing about ignoring the argument because it makes the two of them unreadable due to their playstyle
and why you aren't portraying robb this way

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then vote someone not named hectic or robb. Because from where I sit if every player was town here those 2 would be the biggest lynchbait.

OK.

VOTE: Tchill13

let the records show BEF is at least worth the use of a night action or skitter's read.

While rabid is man enough to make HIS OWN read on tchill. devoid of claimed PR's or Goddesses of the skitterarian mythology.

a) the way you and rabid are talking about me is .... very weird
b) this doesn't feel like a sincere argument; since when is sheeping someone you think can read someone else a problem? why is a problem that he doesn't want to sheep me on you?

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unless skitter is indeed town (no basis for this), then skitter gets to decide the game for us.

"if skitter is town" Rabid has done nothing to sort skitter. I dont believe more than 1 question or statement has been pointed at skit from rabid.

a) again, weird af
b) i never claimed that i get to decide the game for us. rabid also never claimed that i get to decide the game for us, so i have no idea where this is coming from
c) you realize that i literally said earlier that i'm planning on sheeping you on robb if i can get a good read on you? i don't understand why you haven't taken issue with this but have a problem with how rabid wants to sheep me on bef

[skitter30]

i have no idea how to read robb, if i can get a read on tchill i'll prob just sheep his read

why aren't people jumping on this ...

[skitter30]

Basically, there's not single specific reason in his reads, and a lot of them sound like fabricated bullshit that he's throwing out for the sake of giving out reads.

he posts like that tho, and has some sort of special bef-logic
i don't think the illogic is inherently scummy for me
like it isn't good but i dont think it's scummy

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i do concede my point on rabid is silly because i do ultimately tr him, its just a pet peeve of mine.

of the 4 of us id choose hectic to be scum.

w/ garmr (for little to no reason except a guess)

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i don't tlike this post

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i still see robb/tchill

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also @robb: again, i'm a she

[skitter30]

my vote is on tchill in spirit but i think that would be l1 and i'm not ready for that yet

[Tchill13]

If you remove robb and hectic then we're still in RVS and literally nobody is posting.

VOTE: bob

dude how is this like anything more than an rvs vote at this point ...

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i'm really not liking tchill at this point
his bob vote makes like no sense at all

im trying to sort ppl.

[Tchill13]

i still see robb/tchill

im gonna go insane w/ ppl thinking im shitty scum.

if im scum with robb im the worst scum ever.

[Tchill13]

you realize that i literally said earlier that i'm planning on sheeping you on robb if i can get a good read on you

i never seen this lol. sorry.

[skitter30]

So ... is that scummy of me or

[Tchill13]

So ... is that scummy of me or

to absolve yourself of responsibility based on someone else's read (who you can always read incorrectly) is scummy as hell.

[Tchill13]

i still see robb/tchill

im gonna go insane w/ ppl thinking im shitty scum.

if im scum with robb im the worst scum ever.

VOTE: skitter

last time Skitter assumed i was scum making poor plays skitter was scum.

to assume im scum WITH robb... what a joke. you cant actually believe that unless im WIFOM'ing.

if you think im WIFOM'ing i'd like to know why.

[Tchill13]

I'm in a ongoing game with Tchill where I was nothing like this, so this isn't standard NAI behaviour form me.

i replaced out and took little to no notice of your play. geez.

[skitter30]

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

... you didnt take issue with this from last game either
I dont get it