Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Menalque]

I had no reason to push it while I thought he was leashable and said as much

I have reasons to be urgent now because it means needing an extra 9 votes vs what would be needed to lynch elements

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I went from AmRun Town Lean, AmRun Scum Lean and then AmRun Town Lean for the last few days.
I also think AmRun only voted me because of my rude behaviour.

[Menalque]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

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Well, yes, but I thought maybe it was the post above that. I don’t understand how your post relates to Miss a Lynch’s at all.

She was basically saying "if you dont vote the wagon I want you to, you're defending it and you're gonna look bad for it"

Pushing a different wagon isnt defending anyone

Well, it actually can be defending someone, especially if they eventually flip scum. But ok, I see what you’re saying. I just wanted to follow your reasoning.

@Menalque, I don’t think we are saying that by not lynching him TODAY. He definitely needs to go, though. I’m not too fussed if it’s today, tomorrow, etc. can’t reach endgame but if not today it’s not the end of the world.

So if you’re not too fussed then let’s lynch him today as he’s the largest wagon and we have other people who are saying they’re okay with lynching him but who are moving off

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I had no reason to push it while I thought he was leashable and said as much

I have reasons to be urgent now because it means needing an extra 9 votes vs what would be needed to lynch elements

Ok first, what’s Leashable?
Second, why do you want to lynch Elements?
Do you scum read him? If so why?
Why did his vote go from zero to what it is now?

[Miss Lane]

The wagon needed to lynch him today is larger than the wagon needed to lynch him tomorrow.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

the arrow indicates "the above post"

Well, yes, but I thought maybe it was the post above that. I don’t understand how your post relates to Miss a Lynch’s at all.

She was basically saying "if you dont vote the wagon I want you to, you're defending it and you're gonna look bad for it"

Pushing a different wagon isnt defending anyone

Well, it actually can be defending someone, especially if they eventually flip scum. But ok, I see what you’re saying. I just wanted to follow your reasoning.

@Menalque, I don’t think we are saying that by not lynching him TODAY. He definitely needs to go, though. I’m not too fussed if it’s today, tomorrow, etc. can’t reach endgame but if not today it’s not the end of the world.

So if you’re not too fussed then let’s lynch him today as he’s the largest wagon and we have other people who are saying they’re okay with lynching him but who are moving off

Why do you want to lynch me so badly?
Please respond to my questions.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I had no reason to push it while I thought he was leashable and said as much

I have reasons to be urgent now because it means needing an extra 9 votes vs what would be needed to lynch elements

Ok first, what’s Leashable?
Second, why do you want to lynch Elements?
Do you scum read him? If so why?
Why did his vote go from zero to what it is now?

Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I find it funny that you didn’t feel this way until I pushed you.
You will legit wanting me to lynch Elements.
You were like “will you execute Elements?”
And I said no as I believe both to be miss lynches.
Then you vote against me and try to lynch me because if it.
And what do you mean by “non-leashable”?
I’ve made it clear if one of my Scum reads such as Titus becomes the top wagon over 10 votes I will execute it.
What exactly do you not like about this?
Have you considered that mafia may have Day abilities as well?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Just a reminder Mena.
Don’t think you can attempt to ignore me and attempt to lynch me before answering.
If I have to I’ll try to get @FL to enforce you to answer these questions.

[Menalque]

Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I find it funny that you didn’t feel this way until I pushed you.
You will legit wanting me to lynch Elements.
You were like “will you execute Elements?”
And I said no as I believe both to be miss lynches.
Then you vote against me and try to lynch me because if it.
And what do you mean by “non-leashable”?
I’ve made it clear if one of my Scum reads such as Titus becomes the top wagon over 10 votes I will execute it.
What exactly do you not like about this?
Have you considered that mafia may have Day abilities as well?

I’ve already explained why your progression on me is trash and I note that you haven’t responded to that

“Leashed” means you have no agency over the execute, because that’s the only way to stop scum!you using it to manipulate lynches. You’ve made it clear that you won’t do this. If you’re not going to just execute the largest wagon, you’re by definition making choices unilaterally on who lives and who dies and there’s no way we’re letting you do that.

I mean maybe mafia have day abilities? So what? Maybe you’re the mafia day ability?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I find it funny that you didn’t feel this way until I pushed you.
You will legit wanting me to lynch Elements.
You were like “will you execute Elements?”
And I said no as I believe both to be miss lynches.
Then you vote against me and try to lynch me because if it.
And what do you mean by “non-leashable”?
I’ve made it clear if one of my Scum reads such as Titus becomes the top wagon over 10 votes I will execute it.
What exactly do you not like about this?
Have you considered that mafia may have Day abilities as well?

I’ve already explained why your progression on me is trash and I note that you haven’t responded to that

“Leashed” means you have no agency over the execute, because that’s the only way to stop scum!you using it to manipulate lynches. You’ve made it clear that you won’t do this. If you’re not going to just execute the largest wagon, you’re by definition making choices unilaterally on who lives and who dies and there’s no way we’re letting you do that.

I mean maybe mafia have day abilities? So what? Maybe you’re the mafia day ability?

I am going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum.
But ok, so I do what you do and Elements flips Town.
What do you do next? @Mena
What would your next target be?
Would you have said “TSE executed that wagon and Element flipped Town, TSE is scum get him?”
Like dude, do you honestly think I’m that dumb.
And if you wouldn’t have chosen me, then who would your next target in question be?
What would you figure out from an Elements lynch?

[Menalque]

Either you’re reading my posts or you’re not. If you’re reading me in good faith you should be reading my posts, and I’ve already explained elements

Also lol @thinking that you can get FL to get me to do anything

[chkflip]

xofelf, Pine, Dongempire, Titus, Iconeum, Korina, Elements, and Vorkuta have all been prodded.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Either you’re reading my posts or you’re not. If you’re reading me in good faith you should be reading my posts, and I’ve already explained elements

Also lol @thinking that you can get FL to get me to do anything

What does reading your posts have to do with this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you pushed Elements making him the wagon as you scum read him explains that part.
But explain the recent question I asked.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I find it funny that you didn’t feel this way until I pushed you.
You will legit wanting me to lynch Elements.
You were like “will you execute Elements?”
And I said no as I believe both to be miss lynches.
Then you vote against me and try to lynch me because if it.
And what do you mean by “non-leashable”?
I’ve made it clear if one of my Scum reads such as Titus becomes the top wagon over 10 votes I will execute it.
What exactly do you not like about this?
Have you considered that mafia may have Day abilities as well?

I’ve already explained why your progression on me is trash and I note that you haven’t responded to that

“Leashed” means you have no agency over the execute, because that’s the only way to stop scum!you using it to manipulate lynches. You’ve made it clear that you won’t do this. If you’re not going to just execute the largest wagon, you’re by definition making choices unilaterally on who lives and who dies and there’s no way we’re letting you do that.

I mean maybe mafia have day abilities? So what? Maybe you’re the mafia day ability?

I am going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum.
But ok, so I do what you do and Elements flips Town.
What do you do next? @Mena
What would your next target be?
Would you have said “TSE executed that wagon and Element flipped Town, TSE is scum get him?”
Like dude, do you honestly think I’m that dumb.
And if you wouldn’t have chosen me, then who would your next target in question be?
What would you figure out from an Elements lynch?

[Menalque]

“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

[Menalque]

Stop quoting your fucking posts when I’m right here and in the middle of answering. It’s very annoying.

[Menalque]

"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

Per the flavour, Chemist jumped in front of the red-haired elf. I'm fairly certain that means the Orcus-aligned SK/scum targeted the red-haired elf but the kill was intercepted by BG!Chemist.

Would it be a good idea for the red haired elf to flavour claim do we think?

Hmm, I'm not sure tbh.

In the event that the Orcus person is SK, then scum doesn't know the identity of the red-haired elf.

If scum is with Orcus, then they already know the identity of the red-haired elf + having the elf reveal will bring town up to their level of information.

Since we don't know which is which, it looks like 50/50 to me.

"sacrificed to Orcus!" sounds like a sk/2nd scum team kill over him protecting anyone but he did flip BG so I understand why you guys think that.

Per the flavour, Chemist jumped in front of the red-haired elf. I'm fairly certain that means the Orcus-aligned SK/scum targeted the red-haired elf but the kill was intercepted by BG!Chemist.

Would it be a good idea for the red haired elf to flavour claim do we think?

Also this is a bad idea.

Why is this a bad idea if orcus is scum, as EP mentioned?

[davesaz]

Gonna mention again that if we don’t lynch tse today we’re literally saying that we’re fine with having a non-leashable executioner running around. Ceph may be buddying me but his point about b having faith in town killing roles is good after last night

I for one am completely comfortable with it for now.

[davesaz]

Menalque wanting a leash is very scummy.

[Amrun]

^gross

People are allowed to argue for the wagon they want

Who is gross?

the arrow indicates "the above post"

Well, yes, but I thought maybe it was the post above that. I don’t understand how your post relates to Miss a Lynch’s at all.

She was basically saying "if you dont vote the wagon I want you to, you're defending it and you're gonna look bad for it"

Pushing a different wagon isnt defending anyone

Well, it actually can be defending someone, especially if they eventually flip scum. But ok, I see what you’re saying. I just wanted to follow your reasoning.

@Menalque, I don’t think we are saying that by not lynching him TODAY. He definitely needs to go, though. I’m not too fussed if it’s today, tomorrow, etc. can’t reach endgame but if not today it’s not the end of the world.

So if you’re not too fussed then let’s lynch him today as he’s the largest wagon and we have other people who are saying they’re okay with lynching him but who are moving off

I was literally the very first person to revote him after he said it.

However, some other people said some things that made me reconsider. He says he will execute Titus, who I think has a good chance of being scum (at least 1/6!). It will be be easier to lynch him tomorrow after a round of kills.

But no, it doesn’t functionally matter except I don’t want my support for the Titus lynch to disappear.

P-edit: no, it’s not AI. It’s definitely the technically correct play.

[davesaz]

Execute power is functionally similar to a gated dayvig. The existence of a wagon over half being the gate. Restricting it to the top wagon lets scum vote up the town wagon to force the choice.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

So I’m not entitled to push anyone?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Execute power is functionally similar to a gated dayvig. The existence of a wagon over half being the gate. Restricting it to the top wagon lets scum vote up the town wagon to force the choice.

Another reason why I don’t want to execute is because scum could be making sure the top wagons are Town.

[Menalque]

“I’m going to execute the largest wagon, if I believe it to be scum”

This is literally the fucking definition of not being leashed. If you think we’re going to let you make decisions about what is and isn’t scum, then you’re high, or mad, or both. If you’re not going to lynch whatever the highest wagon is regardless of what you personally think of it, you need to die.

I don’t think ele will flip town but if he does, I’ll reevaluate. If he flips scum, I’m using the momentum I’ll get from lynching scum to lynch papa leaf probably.

So I’m not entitled to push anyone?

Where did I ever say that? Push all you want, use your vote to try and make the wagon you want the top wagon. But if you’re saying (and you are, in fact, saying this) that you want to be able to disregard what the plurality of people want and follow your own reads with your power then you absolutely need to die.