Death Note: I’ll Be The One Writing Your Name

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

[Evenstar]

(By the way Bambi, nice piece of misdirection with the BB eye-claim. You got me hard. I'm guessing the entire "internal drama" was faked?)

[Bambi Jay]

I mean since Almost outted Wooper literally everyone else is known, lol.

[Bambi Jay]

(By the way Bambi, nice piece of misdirection with the BB eye-claim. You got me hard. I'm guessing the entire "internal drama" was faked?)

The drama was real, just slightly exaggerated out the neighborhood.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

[Evenstar]

(By the way Bambi, nice piece of misdirection with the BB eye-claim. You got me hard. I'm guessing the entire "internal drama" was faked?)

The drama was real, just slightly exaggerated out the neighborhood.

That makes sense. The best lies are the ones that are mostly the truth.

Chara actually "vented" in our neighbourhood, which was a great move on his part; that plus my pre-existing distaste for your playstyle made me swallow that you'd just straight-up out one of your neighbours to the whole thread, when if I'd thought about it I'd have realized that the claim was too convenient. I saw what I wanted to see: bravo.

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

I think it may be, yes. I want more info out of Chemist on what exactly his role's supposed to do; he claimed on D2 that he knew there was almost certainly a scum in the Wammy's House neighbourhood - him, Chara, Bambi, RCE. I want to know exactly what that information was, whether L is town-confirmed to him, and why he isn't currently trying to eat RCE's face.

[Evenstar]

Okay. I think there are two potential worlds here, mechanically.

The first one is the easy world where this setup doesn't do anything weird. Light is scum, L is town, Watari is Town by virtue of being Masons with L, Raye and Naomi are of opposite alignments, Mello and Near are same-faction, etc.

In this world, the POE looks like it does right now. Creature looks awful, BEF not much better. Wooper and Vork are possible extensions if necessary.

... Unfortunately, some staring at the setup makes me feel like we're not in that world. It is too clever by half for that.

Myself and Ryuk are a pair of third parties that exist to make the events of canon take place. The moderator claims that flavour is not alignment-indicative, but the setup is obviously built around the existence of Light as a permanent Mafia Spy in all neighbourhoods. Mello and Near have to work together in order to investigate someone and thereby catch Kira. Misa Amane is an innocent that detects as a killer, and her ability lets her get her own way. Matsuda is a dayvig with an extended twilight that lets his target monologue while they bleed out!

The Neighbourhoods are also carefully crafted. Wammy's House is a neighbourhood. The Shinigami are a neighbourhood. Raye and his wife are a neighbourhood. The investigation is a neighbourhood...

... which is why it's very strange that I've got this corner up here that's [LUV, BEF, Wooper, Vecna].

In particular, I would expect Aizawa (LUV) to be in the same hood as Matsuda (Mizzytastic). But they're not. They're only linked by BEF... and BEF is not Soichiro, because

Creature

has flipped as Soichiro.

Why is Aizawa more closely associated with Misa Amane than with Soichiro? Beats the fuck out of me. And that's my point, here - this setup is

not

as straightforward as it may initially appear.

I think we're in the hard world where the setup is

intentionally deceiving.

So I went and I did some NK analysis:

Night Kills:
N1: No Kill
N2: Mizzytastic (Daykilled Scum)
N3: Vecna (Hammered Scum D2 with Doublevote Power)
N4: ?

Scum can delay their kills with the Death Note

one night.

... If the Death Note that's been being passed around has stayed in Town hands this entire time, that implies the scum must have their own Death Note in order to be able to kill.

But if the scum have their own Death Note, that implies they must have done one of the following:

Option A:

N1: No Kill
N2: Kill
N3: Kill

Option B:

N1: Delayed Kill
N2: Delayed Kill
N3: No Kill

Option C:

N1: Delayed Kill
N2: No Kill
N3: Kill

In other words, the scum holstered for some reason on one night. The first-thought answer is "they didn't know anyone's flavour, so they missed N1", but Matsuda had already flipped D1 and was killed N2. There was zero reason to holster on N1. Holstering N2 is blatantly suicidal; why not kill Bambi? And N3's kill is on Vecna, who wasn't a significant threat to scum until they hammered Light; that seems very unlikely to be a delaykill, so they

can't

have holstered that night.

... On that basis, scum probably

don't

have their own Death Note.

I think the following is the most likely set of scum actions:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: No Kill
N3: Kill Vecna

This could also have happened:
N1: No Kill
N2: Kill Mizzy
N3: Kill Vecna

And even this might be possible if the scum were smart and a bit lucky:
N1: No Kill
N2: Kill Mizzy, Delaykill Vecna
N3: No Kill

What's really interesting about this is that

in no world are both Chara and Chemist town.

Chara has been quite insistent about there being a second death note in this game, but as of yet I can't say that there's any physical evidence. If I were him, I would be trying to lynch Chemist right now on the basis of the N3 Vecna kill. Instead he's insisting that Chemist is town.

Naturally this is going to be deeply suspect coming from the mouth of someone who's an admitted lyncher for Chara's role - you're going to have to take it on faith here that that wincon died with Light - but I would very much like you all to consider the possibility that Chara could be scum.

If you

really

don't think he's scum, Chemist is the natural next place to look. I don't buy that there is a second death note, and Chemist was the one who had it when Vecna was killed - a kill that

could not have been a delaykill if Chara is town.

[Chemist1422]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

I think it may be, yes. I want more info out of Chemist on what exactly his role's supposed to do; he claimed on D2 that he knew there was almost certainly a scum in the Wammy's House neighbourhood - him, Chara, Bambi, RCE. I want to know exactly what that information was, whether L is town-confirmed to him, and why he isn't currently trying to eat RCE's face.

no I didn't what

and Chara isn't town-confirmed but mechanically it's too swingy for them to be scum given the 3p wincons

[Chemist1422]

Mechanically there's also the possiblity that it's something like scum got their own death note on D3, and the N2 kill was from separate means

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

I think it may be, yes. I want more info out of Chemist on what exactly his role's supposed to do; he claimed on D2 that he knew there was almost certainly a scum in the Wammy's House neighbourhood - him, Chara, Bambi, RCE. I want to know exactly what that information was, whether L is town-confirmed to him, and why he isn't currently trying to eat RCE's face.

no I didn't what

and Chara isn't town-confirmed but mechanically it's too swingy for them to be scum given the 3p wincons

I was mistaken, sorry: it was your predecessor on D1. See here:

yeah you definitely don't want me outing whats in my role pm chara
you definitely don't

i don't want you to?
then i guess you have your answer from me. :>

but seriously, it is a bit hard to understand. from a hypothetical perspective of "one of RC, Chara, and Bambi is confirmed scum" i probably would have gone about it differently myself. i don't know what else i may not like about your reveal, but i can't make you do it or not do it.

its moreso you are confirmed town to me and the existance of the hood makes me think one of RCE and Bambi is confirmed scum because there HAS to be something to just prevent me from literally telling you everything I know and to have 2 mech cleared slots at the start of D1

[Chemist1422]

that something is just A50 though

so

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Chemist

Until Chemist Flips.
This vote stays.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Once Chemist flips my vote Instantly goes back onto RCE.

[RCEnigma]

Chemist resolves himself most likely. Creature/bet today, if the game doesn't end there it's between wooper/Chara/myself I guess.

[Morality]

Flip: Watari

in case it just got missed

Confirmed.

[RCEnigma]

I'd also like to end soon because it's bugging me that misa ended up being miller (which fits) but Light didn't have a godfather mechanic. So I'm tinfoiling that I have the cop shot to scum!Bambi who in turn faked a guilty on A50 for the clear. And A50 claiming Bambi was a delayed kill is just theatre.

[RCEnigma]

But that's crazy VOTE: creature

[Chara]

Chemist resolves himself most likely. Creature/bet today, if the game doesn't end there it's between wooper/Chara/myself I guess.

Chemist does self-resolve once he uses his ability, so we're fine there.

mechanically, there isn't any reason for there not to be multiple DNs. flavourwise, it is almost certain.

but i can't really explain why. i am simply unable to do so.

i also don't think Bambi is scum, RC. the possibility of a gambit with Almost is assuredly there, but it isn't the only piece of evidence for Bambi-town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Flip: Watari

in case it just got missed

Confirmed.

Confirm as in he’s confirmed?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Chemist resolves himself most likely. Creature/bet today, if the game doesn't end there it's between wooper/Chara/myself I guess.

Chemist does self-resolve once he uses his ability, so we're fine there.

mechanically, there isn't any reason for there not to be multiple DNs. flavourwise, it is almost certain.

but i can't really explain why. i am simply unable to do so.

i also don't think Bambi is scum, RC. the possibility of a gambit with Almost is assuredly there, but it isn't the only piece of evidence for Bambi-town.

Why does Even need to know how to kill you?

[Chara]

because writing my flavour name wouldn't do it.

[Morality]

Flip: Watari

in case it just got missed

Confirmed.

Confirm as in he’s confirmed?

He is revealed as Watari.

[Chara]

hurray! Chemist, you may as well use your ability now.
what does using the hood matter, Almost is in all of them anyways.