Micro 898 | Forest Fire | Over

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 3.01

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Not Voting

(7): Banakai, Blatant Scum, Dannflor, Gamma Emerald, january, PenguinPower, Pyrrha Nikos

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-10 09:00:00).

Mod notes:

january is the new Psyche![/area]

[january]

this is a somewhat unpopular opinion maybe but i feel like pyrrha has a pretty high scum potential.. i would actually put her lower on the list but i feel like she has both scumtold AND towntold which is confusing my reads atm

idk what's up with my slot and being the only one who scumreads pyrrha lol

[january]

actually, january, do you have any recent completed scum games?

I feel pretty confident your slot is town but I still must pay my dues

nope sorry
this is my 2nd game on this site and the 1st was town

i'd like to think my towngame is pretty strong town and my scumgame a lot weaker? but nobody's would trust me when i say that lol

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think scum have given up

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

there's the fact that I'm contributing much more than him but he feels the need to complain about my ability to talk, how he is "okay" with the easiest lynch of the day but doesn't dive in any deeper. Saying he won't sheep dann if the thing he's been pushing basically all game flips red (when he's basically been sheeping dann already anyway) and is basically just shading psyche.

It’s good he said he wouldn’t sheep Dann AT the SPECIFIC TIME he said it, because Dann wanted to lynch Gamma and please tell me why you’re townreading Psyche here?

I never said I was townreading psyche

Seems like you did to me
I might fetch the quotes indicating this

Just out of curiosity, why would you even bother? He’s a stump and has proven to not have great reads but if you’re going to “fetch quotes”, shouldn’t it be on the living players?

[Dannflor]

To be completely transparent, I town read Pyrrha for a large part of D1 as a way to keep the thread from blowing up and having meta with her. I was pretty paranoid of her then, I just think confronting her directly isn't the way to catch her. Since then I've grown to town read her simply through the sheer amount of effort she's putting into the game.

She's also since dropped a few tells that I think only town!her does.

[Dannflor]

I town read Pyrrha for a large part of D1 as a way to keep the thread from blowing up. I was pretty paranoid of her then, I just think confronting her directly isn't the way to catch her. Since then I've grown to town read her simply through the sheer amount of effort she's putting into the game.

EBWOP

I butchered that paragraph

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I’m not really shocked, the blatant lack of logical progression in an ISO is usually scum indicative. When he said, it was a towntell, what actually is a sheep towntell, is for him to waffle back and forth on reads. Like in one game, he changed his alignment read on me almost every other post. One post I was probably town, the next he was paranoid about me pocketing him but his ISO overall still made logical sense.

[january]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different? feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy. i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

[january]

@Pyrrha who is that at?

[january]

nevermind

i guess that means u scumread sheep in the end?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma/sheep team isnt a thing from the interactions I remember so I need to re sort

You're gonna have to elaborate on this because my solve has been sheep/Gamma for a good while now. I think their interactions definitely do make a Gamma/sheep team a probable thing and I will case this in its entirety later this day phase.

I've come back to town reading the Psyche slot over the night-break and I find both Blatant Scum and Penguin to be unlikely partners for sheep.

@january, do you mind expanding on your Banakai town read?

Penguin has been obvtown from the getgo. As for BS, his play here could be typical for his towngames.

Ok Dann, can you please give me examples of Gamma buddy posts because I’m not seeing it? I’m also not convinced that sheep and Banaki couldn’t be distancing. Also, why are you now convinced on Psyche town?

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Micro 898 | Forest Fire

Forests are beautiful and fires are beautiful. Are forest fires beautiful, too?

This game is in

Day 3

and the current deadline is

(expired on 2019-12-10 09:00:00).

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Moderated by Plotinus

Alive:

1. 1. Blatant Scum³
   2. Pyrrha Nikos
   3. Gamma Emerald
   replaces RadiantCowbells
   
   
   4. eth0s¹, tree stumped day 1
   
   6. Banakai¹
   7. Psyche
   replaces Pine¹
   
   8. PenguinPower¹
   9. Dannflor

Spoiler: Dead (1)

1. 5. sheepsaysmeep¹, arsonist, lynched day 2

Spoiler: Spectators (1)

• hubris

Spoiler: Original Playerlist (9)

Original Playerlist:

1. 1. Blatant Scum
   2. Pyrrha Nikos
   3. RadiantCowbells
   4. eth0s
   5. sheepsaysmeep
   6. Banakai
   7. Pine
   8. PenguinPower
   9. Dannflor

Events

6 - Day 1 begins
72 - Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
336 - Psyche replaces Pine
604 - eth0s is chopped down, Night 1 begins

606 - Day 2 begins
1156 - sheepsaysmeep is chopped down, Night 2 begins
1157 - january replaces Psyche

1158 - Day 3 begins

Spoiler: Vote Counter Settings

Living Players

Blatant Scum
Pyrrha Nikos
Gamma Emerald (replaces RadiantCowbells)
Banakai
january (replaces Psyche; Pine)
PenguinPower
Dannflor

Links

Day 1: Post #6
Day 2: Post #607
Day 3: Post #1158

@janary, you linked the wrong post.

[Dannflor]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

[Pyrrha Nikos]

this is a somewhat unpopular opinion maybe but i feel like pyrrha has a pretty high scum potential.. i would actually put her lower on the list but i feel like she has both scumtold AND towntold which is confusing my reads atm

idk what's up with my slot and being the only one who scumreads pyrrha lol

If you’re seriously pushing me, I’m gonna take Dann is probably wrong for a 1,000, Alex?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

[january]

well the link's broke and it clearly says 727... so

Spoiler:

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly.

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80259&start=100

Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.

eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted

I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.

A couple things really obvious from these posts:
- Pyrra suggests in 714 that her push of the eth0s lynch was primarily a matter of poe. This is clearly false.

No one

D1 was more confident that eth0s was scum than pyrra. Absolutely no one.

- Pyrra says that she'd be absolutely

shocked

if eth0s ends up flipping town. Does Pyrra's D2 posts provide any evidence of

shock

?? Like, the actual emotion? There's no clue of it at all. Instead, we see the evidence of the exact opposite: a muted reaction in the short term, and increased self-assurance, increased confidence in her grasp of the current gamestate in the long term.

I'm not saying that there should have been some big mea culpa; I can appreciate that my own has seemed awkward and overwrought. What I am saying is that there's no evidence even

implicitly

of the sort of emotional impact you'd expect from the eth0s mislynch given pyrra's D1 iso. This is

in addition to

her clear misrepresentation today of her mindset surrounding eth0s yesterday.

We're left with two possibilities. The first is that Pyrra, along with having a

far

more tenuous grasp of the gamestate than she thinks she has, has a very powerful self-serving bias that leaves her not just to interpret but to

remember

the past in the way that flatters her most. The other is that she's playing a muscular scumgame ITT, performing towniness with all these posts seeming to sort and lynch scum while actually trying to orchestrate mislynches.

In either situation, ego plays a big part in explaining why Pyrra's playing the way she's chosen to - whether she's just that confident in her townplay that she shrugs off any mistakes, or sure enough of herself that she's deigned to play for the center of attention as scum. The personality read is easy. I still don't know a reliable way to convert that into an alliance sort.

and lmao can you read psyche instead of saying that he's scum because of someone who posted literally 2 times
is that where your read originally came from bc i feel like you've been tunneling my slot for quite a long time and it reads as justifying an already-made read rather than an organic read

[january]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

did you quote the wrong post too lol

and idk why you think that someone scumreading you makes them scum...
its not like you've been towny lmfao

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different? feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy. i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

[january]

wait sorry that's mean i don't mean to provoke you

you have towntold but you also have done some scummy things and i think good town players are usually willing to accept that there might be reasons for people to scumread them

[Dannflor]

I find Pyrrha will generally scum read anyone who scum reads her regardless of her alignment

[january]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different?

feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy.

i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

i never said that i scumread you for making meta reads?
they're two different paragraphs because they're two different ideas

bold = why i scumread you
last paragraph = a comment on your playstyle

[january]

ok well that's quite annoying lol

if i was to randomly start this day scumreading dann, i think he'd ask me why rather than just quickly calling me scum
and i'd townread him more for that

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

did you quote the wrong post too lol

and idk why you think that someone scumreading you makes them scum...
its not like you've been towny lmfao

Hey, are you willing to go 1v1 with me and get me stumped and you follow because I won’t hesitate to do that if you continue to push me? Because I think Dann is wrong and I’m willing to bet the game on it. Are you?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

wait sorry that's mean i don't mean to provoke you

you have towntold but you also have done some scummy things and i think good town players are usually willing to accept that there might be reasons for people to scumread them

Better.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different?

feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy.

i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Making meta reads makes you sr me, why?

i never said that i scumread you for making meta reads?
they're two different paragraphs because they're two different ideas

bold = why i scumread you
last paragraph = a comment on your playstyle

The bolded is why you should townlock me because I don’t play like that as scum.