Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Tchill13]

wake itsnt TR'd unless i see 2 kills in a night phase.

Skitter is being too laid back for me to be confident about her being town.

If you're town and you're "giving up, or sitting in your trecnh" scum will win. so please get to solving.

[Wake1]

OK Chill let's have a play-by-play on how you voted me and then Creature in only 3 consecutive posts.

[Robbnva]

are sk's banned? idk if two kills is even enough if sk's are still allowed in normals

[Wake1]

Multiball is only in Large Normals.

[Tchill13]

if you think i'm scum here you must think i'm bad at it so gtfo

this comment comes specifcally with robb being my scum mate in mind.

this is just inaccurate. Ive pushed garmr and pressured/ vote hopped. I cant help if ppl refuse to pressure with me.

You're spending quite a lot of time doing this
Why is this the only thing you responded to, esp after you ask me ro create content ...?

seems like it was the only thing directed at me and i find it inaccurate.

ive made 3, maybe 4 posts talking about it.

[Tchill13]

OK Chill let's have a play-by-play on how you voted me and then Creature in only 3 consecutive posts.

crazy what happens when you're posting on catch up and the guy you vote claims a PR like next post.

[Robbnva]

Multiball is only in Large Normals.

I just checked and saw. ok good to know

[Tchill13]

for all the sitting back you've done I'd like to know how thats positively impacted your read of the game.

[Robbnva]

maybe I need to adopt a sit back and do nothing policy for day 1. this has been way too long and frustrating.

[Tchill13]

so im gonna reset...

Creature and skitter are who i'll be sorting immediately.

Creature I get the feeling maybe posting just to look active. "hiding in plain sight"

skitter isnt doing much poking or prodding. she's hung up on fake news. i have 136 posts this game. no way i've spent a lot of my time talking about how laughable it is skitter or rabid are proposing a robb/tchill team. only 2 players are saying its even a real possibility. I dont have the ability to talk about it that much.

[Tchill13]

rob i need you to tell me what you think of garmr.

[Robbnva]

skitter isnt doing much poking or prodding.

at least I am not the only one who noticed

[Tchill13]

have i really talked about how dumb itd be for me to be scum with robb here that often? I feel like skitter read 5 pages of the game and thats it.

[Robbnva]

rob i need you to tell me what you think of garmr.

don't really like them. I think their push on you was incredibly bad. I also have 4 other scum reads so adding a 5th right now is kind of ugh

[Tchill13]

BEF what do you think of rabid?

Wake who's 2 townies and why?

Rabid what do you think of skit?

Skit what do you think of creature. they've provided plenty of content. should be a decent answer.

creature what do you think of Rabid?

[Robbnva]

I made this post in the game where skitter and I were scum. I made this after the game is over which means this is my true belief and why I was able to push it convincingly in the game where skitter and I were scum.

Its not about being right.

When a town player absolutely refuses to explain why he has the reads he has, he’s doing more harm than good.

The reason why I can play scum good is because so many shitty townies do things they shouldn’t. Most of these things I hold as scum tells because why would town do those things?

Note the bolded. regardless of my alignment this game, what skitter is doing is completely unacceptable. I will push it both as town and scum. There is absolutely no reason why skitter can't give me more than "your play is scummy"

I also pointed out really really scummy things rabid did, things that I honestly don't think a townie would do, and he brushes them off.

My solve is skitter is scum here. What i can't parse is if he is wk'ing rabid or they are scum together.

[Robbnva]

1. accusing me of misrepping for saying something that is 100% true but doesn't give the same accusation to the two others who did it.

2. claims he tried to sort me despite there being no evidence of that in her iso

3. does a 180 in less than two hours without any sort of natural progression.

btw rabid still did all these things. nobody has an opinion on these?

[skitter30]

I already know I'm not ever going to be lynched in this game, so I'm going to break the ice because I want to involve all other members of Town. I'm hoping this is not an unwise play with my role, and am hoping there's a protective role out there.

I am a Town Vigilante. I can target anyone at night and kill them. I don't particularly trust my own judgement and aim because I am not as deep into this game as other players are. So I want to include everyone else in this decision, the decision on who we vote for me to kill each Night. I'm hoping this is the right move, and that someone in this game can and will protect me.

you're not modified in any way?

[skitter30]

Skitter can not give concrete reasons why she has her reads. Every player should be concerned about this. Me pressuring her to explain herself isn't toxic. Hiding behind "gut" is a cop out. You can explain what gave you the gut feels. You can link a post and say, oh this is bad because of abc. she isn't doing that. Lack of transparency is scummy.

Go play chess.

again, the fact that you dont' like my explanation doesn't mean the explanation doesn't exist

[skitter30]

btw, @ everyone - Hectic fake replaced out and told his replacement to claim macho cop. The mod deleted the post and issued a warning and hectic claimed that made him confirmed town. I feel like this information is useful. I wish the mod would not have deleted the post. bob and bef saw that post and can confirm.

i saw this too actually told implosion about it; idk what happened after that

[skitter30]

How much does skitter actualy publicly back up her reads normally as town and scum

not much, depends on what i feel like

[Robbnva]

Robb i said it's your playstyle that i find scummy ...

this isn't an acceptable explanation.

[skitter30]

wake itsnt TR'd unless i see 2 kills in a night phase.

Skitter is being too laid back for me to be confident about her being town.

If you're town and you're "giving up, or sitting in your trecnh" scum will win. so please get to solving.

this game is a shitshow and i don't even want to read the thread and i have no idea how to make it playable and it's making me not want to play; i feel like i'm trying to move the game out of this mess but we kept bogged down in other things

pedit the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean that the explanation doesn't exist, sorry

[Robbnva]

"your playstyle is scummy" is a knock against me as a player in general. It doesn't have any relevance to my alignment this game. You aren't attempting to sort me either.

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

i still see robb/tchill

im gonna go insane w/ ppl thinking im shitty scum.

if im scum with robb im the worst scum ever.

i still see robb/tchill

im gonna go insane w/ ppl thinking im shitty scum.

if im scum with robb im the worst scum ever.

VOTE: skitter

last time Skitter assumed i was scum making poor plays skitter was scum.

to assume im scum WITH robb... what a joke. you cant actually believe that unless im WIFOM'ing.

if you think im WIFOM'ing i'd like to know why.

What on earth is this

its laughing at the fact that you think im that bad as scum.

Scum WITH robb? how stupid would i have to be to be robbs teammate here???

You accused me of poor scum play in your scum win.

youre accusing me of poor scum play now.

the reason id be scum here is because im actually defending hectic/robb.

as scum id def want both in lylo.

that said, in the scenario im scum with robb im not playing it this way.

youre accusing me of poor scum play now.

You're playing awfully and scummily so what am i supposed to think?

that im too good as scum to be scum here.

but ppl cant make a read like that, except me when it comes to other players playing town poorly.

its exceptionally aggravating with you, whos seen my approach to a scum game.

you obv think robb is town if im scum ind. of robb.

That's not at all true, and I think you're smart enough to know that.

if im scum here i CANT BE SCUM WITH ROBB.

whether im scum independant of robb or not.

do you ppl think im an idiot?

what is the scum motivation for me to hard defend robb d1 over hectic eventually? if im on robbs team thats a connection that is auto lose if either of us ever flip.

if im scum with some type of lurker wouldnt i take a stance on hectic/robb early and try to divide the game? instead of putting efffort into sorting other slots.

(you can call this wifom, but im just objectively looking at a slots play this game even if it is my own)

Ok then

A) i strongly disagree that i'm manipulating what you're saying to make it look bad, i dont understand what you're saying and why you're making the pushes you are, you dont make sense and what you're pushing isnt consistent

B) you're scummy independant of robb, i'm not sure i agree with the assumption that scum!robb means you cant be scum, which is what your current argument is based on

C) i dont get why you arent pushing me for saying i want to sheep you on robb, you're basically ignoring that while pushing rabid for nearly the same thing

A) pushing ppl to sort. (the rest we just disagree on)

B) you think im an idiot, you lack the ability to see the perspective that it would be poor scum play to play as i currently am atm, with or without robb.

C) I have no interest in sorting you atm, I started with a TR on rabid, he's down to null (porbably because he's tunneling me) I tend to give ppl ik are strong town the benefit of the doubt d1. You're asking me to start pushing you. Im probably about to reset due to frustration. You and rabid are actually pissing me off.

ohhh kay is there anywhere we can meet in the middle on? try to see eye to eye and work from there or have you already made up your mind that im scum and theres no way i can be town rabid?

if im town here, then wouldnt I be scummy town? which is bad town right?

BEF town game:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=79261

BEF scum game:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77859

i seriously need you to respond to what you think of my town game.

as scum i suck but get better as the game goes along. this is your real basis for pushing me. You have yet to define the difference from scum action and bad town action.

what is my town game like?

oh my garmr...

you're the first person ive ran into that i think is actually capable of playing this bad as scum.

you have no plan. You're really just making noise and pointing and throwing shit at the wall.

you're not being super egotistical like you were as town. it seemed very faked when you tried to tap into it earlier.

you're using buzzwords such as oppurtinistic/flailing to accuse the player your pushing when you're kinda doing the same thing...

I'm not moving off garmr. this isnt what i'd expect from town garmr. his sense doesn't come from ego, it comes from nothing. he's taking a tiny event of me voting wake and trying to get me lynched on it because you cant "sort" if you vote a lurker which is false.

to pressure a lurker someone has to be the 1st vote. usually ppl refuse to be the first early votes. If that never happens you'll never get a read there.

I moved off wake rather quickly. So was I faking trying to sort wake or did I want to sort others? which is it garmr.

ppl are acting so apathetic.

get a grip geez.

skitter my point is garmr doesnt have the most complex thoughts as town and i believe his scum game isnt complex either.

i swear robb, there's several players here not named skitter and rabid. sort them.

Rabid. You're just wrong if you think me and robb are scum together. pretty sure you said you were pers. You claim my scum game is bad d1 which is why i must be lynched now. There's no way i ever ever ever play with a scummate like i play with robb. What is the difference in my town play and my scum play d1?

skitter please actually provide something new.

Creature seems to be lol posting in the middle of the "i give up" town. I'd expect scum to do what creature/wake/bob/BEF are doing if they saw town acting like children as we are now.

Nobody is trying to solve. everyone is just bitching and sitting in their trenches.

@tchill, you're the one who keeps bringing this up and falling back on this defense ...