Mini Normal 2107 (Game Over)

[Wake1]

Holy crap I just realized they added a ton of new modifiers into Normal Games.

Shit, I think I'm going to start creating a new Large game soon.

[profii]

why does Wake get to decide we are doing a mass claim? I have no issue claiming but the problem we need to discuss before we jump in and do it is the fact there have been no night kills, that means there is very likely to be a doctor who very likely doesn't want to reveal themselves to scum because then guess what... night kills start happening.

people should stop claiming and weigh up the pros and cons of any further claims

[profii]

we are, in theory, 1 vs 7 - we probably have a protective. Why on earth are we claiming? Has anyone even looked at wagon analysis yet?

This is some awful town play

[Wake1]

why does Wake get to decide we are doing a mass claim? I have no issue claiming but the problem we need to discuss before we jump in and do it is the fact there have been no night kills, that means there is very likely to be a doctor who very likely doesn't want to reveal themselves to scum because then guess what... night kills start happening.

people should stop claiming and weigh up the pros and cons of any further claims

Well, to be fair, I accepted Alimdia's suggestion that we do the popcorn route to claim. I claimed and then passed the popcorn.

If there is a protective role like a Doctor I'd rather have them claim VT, and have them only claim when absolutely necessary (when intent to hammer is given).

[profii]

to be fair, that's 2 people and you havent given any thought to the protective so before you go making executive decision for the entire group can we consider EVERYONES thoughts.

We have had a quick hammer which was stupid
we have had a troll player who lost us a tracker action which was stupid
let's not feed our potential doctor to the wolves FOR NO REASON AT ALL


Also, your plan for the doctor is absolutely not feasible at all... now scum are just going to claim VT, then go 'actually im the doc' then you will be like ah cool that was the plan - someone else will be like 'dont believe you' - the real doctor might also be like 'no im the doc' and out themselves

ive been through that before and it fails miserably - if the majority thinks thats a senssible idea I'll roll with it but I am strongly against it


i am really frustrated that people are just choosing a direction on behalf of everyone and shanghai'ing this town into avoidable problems... I am very close to replacing out because i can't abide the idiocy

[profii]

and just to make a point about it, I've never replaced out of a game but this is pushing me to the limit

[profii]

and no this is not an elaborate AtE to avoid claiming because I'm scum - it is geuine disbelief at the terrible decision making - if the MAJORITY of the group favour a mass claim i will happily fall in line but I will absolutely advocate the points I have made to ensure people are making INFORMED decisions before they decide what they want

[Wake1]

What do you suggest instead, profii?

[profii]

We at least look at who is voting for who and why... I am on my lunch break at work right now but Ill be doing that over the weekend

[profii]

There is a side of me that thinks you must be town if you didnt know what loyal was.

Obviously you targetted me to try and stop a NK, which, ok there was no NK, but if your claim is legit either you protected my by accident or it just had nothing to do with whatever is going on.


There is also a side of me that thinks 'your role PM said loyal and you didnt know what it was, so you didnt think to click on the wiki link that appears on EVERY SINGLE POST WHAT ARE YOU DOING MAN'

[Elements]

Well, to be fair, I accepted Alimdia's suggestion that we do the popcorn route to claim. I claimed and then passed the popcorn.

And then continued to tell people to claim which is not at all what the popcorn idea was

[Elbirn]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

[Montosh]

Zote the Mighty has requested replacement

[profii]

So Day 1 we got some wagons, but on day 2/3 we've just rush lynched.

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade

, profii,

Vorkuta

, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88,

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.9

Looker

(5):

Wake88, alimdia, UltimatePlank, Elbirn, Elements

(L-1)

UltimatePlank (3):

profii, Saladman27,

Looker

Wake88 (2):

Saudade

,

Vorkuta

Saladman27 (1):

Zote the Mighty

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

VC 1.FINAL

Looker

(6): Wake88, alimdia, Elements, profii, UltimatePlank, Saladman27 (Lynch)

UltimatePlank (2):

Looker

, Zote the Mighty

Wake88 (2):

Saudade

,

Vorkuta

Not Voting (1):

Elbirn

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 2.FINAL

Vorkuta

(6): profii, UltimatePlank, Elbirn,

Saudade

, Elements, Wake88 (Lynch)

Saudade

(2):

Saladman27, Zote the Mighty

Not Voting (2):

Vorkuta

. alimdia

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-28 15:00:00)

VC 3.FINAL

Saudade

(5): Elbirn, UltimatePlank, Saladman27, Wake88, Elements (LYNCH)

Wake88 (2):

profii,

Saudade

Not voting (2):

Zote the Mighty, alimdia

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-05 15:00:00)

[profii]

I have an idea of what I want to look at from that data, but I'll let other people mull it over whilst I sleep and do some analysis tomorrow

[profii]

Actually it's obviously Elbirn, let's not wait.

VOTE: Elbirn

He was on the looker wagon but dropped off because Saudade asked him to- Saudade probably asked because he was tunnelling wake and Elbirn couldnt give a convincing excuse.

Then there was no kill, Ali was clearly pushing looker hard and that makes him obviously town - scum can't have an obvious town so he was an obvious choice to remove, so it makes sense that he got protected. Then if you look through the ISO of Elbirn and me together, you can see I suggested I might have protected Elbirn and Elbirn was like woah dont out that you are the doctor.

Then another no kill - Elbirn probably tried to kill me and the real doctor probably just protected me

Then another no kill - I got protected by Wake basically, and I guess Elbirn really thinks Im the doctor and tried to kill me again.

I'm not saying I am the doctor, or not, I mean, I've claimed cop on day 1 before and survived a hella long time in a multiball setup so it's possible - think what you like.

You also have to consider that Elbirn said "Profii is town" pretty much as bluntly as that - I accused Elbirn of being scum straight after the N1 flip and Elbirn did the whole LAMIST thing of 'woah keep quiet doc'

So given that he knows i suspect him I guess he is trying to pocket me by just declaring me town so I leave him alone.



Finally go look at Elbirns reasons for being on the Saudade/Vortuka wagons - need I say more?
Also consider that he has obviously identified Wake as a town player that perhaps goes against the grain, at least certainly irritates me, so that is a town weakness he can exploit and he is straight on the wagon today.



VOTE: Elbirn

[alimdia]

Alimdia, how many games as Scum have you completed?

The thing is profii, so far if you look at all the claims, there is no full powered PR role that acts every night. You get what I'm saying?


By the way, the reason why I wanted a mass claim was to see if anyone was a N3 powerrole as well.

[alimdia]

claims and flips*

[alimdia]

I have never been scum @wake88

[profii]

thats the only thing it's weird given what we have that a doc would be able to protect you, which was highly likely imo and then someone else yesterday

maybe the scum isnt multi tasking and tried something else n2 or 3 idk

still think elbirn is a big candidate though

[Wake1]

I'm thinking it's either Elbirn or Profii.

Elbirn's about-face is disturbing, and I just can't tell with Profii.

[UltimatePlank]

someone is gonna have to try REALLY fucking hard to convince me wimpy's replace out was scum

[UltimatePlank]

please re-read day1

tell me that you honestly think wimpy is scum because i don't see it

[UltimatePlank]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

thing is

this post makes more sense to me than that elbirn is scum

but i think it might be overzealous and we aren't making progress in our consensus here. i don't like that Wake initially had a lynch pool of 'vorkuta/salad/elements/saudade/saladman' but now he's switched to elbirn suddenly

what happened to the other 2 wake and why is elbirn suddenly not just suspicious, but your strongest scumread?

does saladman/elements' play not bother you more? what reason do you have to scumread elbirn over those 2?

[UltimatePlank]

oh yeah wtf, Zote has flown right under my radar