Newbie 1966: Mafia Chat

[Yimmy]

after signing up i realized i teeter on the very edge of we (only 4 games completed, all of which 3+ years ago, and this is actually my first time being mafia.
that said, hi

[Yimmy]

some thoughts for how i plan to play (take this with a grain of salt cause ive never been mafia: day 1 i don't have any grand plans, just try to look town and such. i hope to find the most confident player (some people really don't like changing their reads) and get on their good side. that'll be a strong tool in lylo and such, and confident people tend to be pretty aggressive so they might make for a mislynch at some point too.
gonna read a couple guides to make sure i have any idea what im doing

[Yimmy]

thanks. ive played as town a good few times so i hopefully already have some grasp of what town would do and such.
if he's annoyingly aggressive let the town push his lynch (unless it's lylo or something). why tie ourselves to an easy mislynch when we can let the town do it themselves? (not to say "don't vote for him", just don't be to confident and don't push the wagon.) personally im gonna go for wagons that i don't think would gain steam without a push

[Yimmy]

thanks. ive played as town a good few times so i hopefully already have some grasp of what town would do and such.
if he's annoyingly aggressive let the town push his lynch (unless it's lylo or something). why tie ourselves to an easy mislynch when we can let the town do it themselves? (not to say "don't vote for him", just don't be to confident and don't push the wagon.) personally im gonna go for wagons that i don't think would gain steam without a push

there's sample role pm's in the opening post

i can target someone and stop them from using their ability (so if i target a cop they'd get no result for example)

[Yimmy]

whoops didn't mean to quote
interesting to note that role blocking is completely worthless if we get the double mason setup

[Yimmy]

id say it's in our best interests to keep jocum alive. i feel aggressive people like him aren't prone to changing their mind so we just gotta last until he's decided who he trusts (perhaps even keeping his scumreads alive so he doesn't have to reconsider, but that could get to be a conspicuous amount of effort). either town will kill him on their own or we have him trusting us in lylo. thoughts?

[Yimmy]

jakes first posts still strike me as town but if the jake/me narrative sticks it's important to get him lynched. i can't change my mind until more evidence comes in though so i can only hope jake plays badly

[Yimmy]

oh white knighting. Jake dying won't clear me so im gonna stick with my heart and town read him

[Yimmy]

phone posting for the actual game is real stressful cause it's hard to proofread so that's why im posting here and not in the main topic

[Yimmy]

i usually have 3+ tabs up when writing a post (writing, an iso, and the game itself) and navigating that is annoying on mobile, and getting the cursor where i want to edit is also annoying.
good point. hopefully i covered it gracefully

[Yimmy]

your post just sort of agrees with and reiterates what others have said. either offer something new of your own or use less words and just be apt that you agree with the points made imo. ive called out similar things so far and i don't necessarily want to ignore it
we'll see

[Yimmy]

ATM I'm thinking ETL is the kill for tonight seeing as he's universally townread and the creator of the most content, so if we kill him we should be able to control the conversation without too much effort. Pyro and Loser are also option though

[Yimmy]

there is almost no way etl is a pr. he's clearly made himself the prine nk target and i think he knows it

[Yimmy]

Regarding roleblocking: I'd say we block Moonchild (only reason for town to pr hunt is if they are a doctor or something) or Dunnstral (has done nothing which could perhaps be to avoid being nightkilled)
Jocus probably thinks he's being super proactive which doesn't match up with pr avoiding being nightkilled. Also he won't make it through the day

[Yimmy]

so sad to see a player give up like jocus

[Yimmy]

oooo im pretty sure RC is notoriously good. looks like you're in a pretty good spot, hopefully he doesn't change his mind on etl/moonchild

[Yimmy]

not if he stays on the wrong track

[Yimmy]

actually with ETL and RC opposing each other like this it could pay to kill neither. something of a gamble but getting them lynched during the day is plenty more valuable.
with three days my current mislynch options feels like basically everyone besides etl (and that's if RC doesn't make a compelling case) so i don't necessarily think we need to keep someone alive to lynch em later but with these powerful voices townreading us and fighting each other it absolutely works as a smokescreen. we could kill jake because we have no idea what he's thinking and that'd be scary to deal with in lylo. replacements are scary to so we might kill dunnstral if he doesn't get more active.
rc is really shaking things up

[Yimmy]

it'd really pay to jump ship to etl but it could look a lil opportunistic... gonna post in like an hour so prob won't get a response but i ain't to sure how to act here. it mostly depends on how much i "trust" RC

[Yimmy]

so my plan atm is to sorta sheep RC. i should be able to push the blame for mislynches onto him if he stays so wrong and then turn on him come lylo. i gotta be subtle about it though because he doesn't really look trustworthy and to sheep sort of goes against my prior behavior.
i also want to find a graceful way to back off of jake and jocus because as is i suspect everyone and thats no good. people are catching on that their play is mostly just bad town play and not scum play which i sort of felt from the start. my hope is someone can jump in and save the day for them and i can just be like "huh im convinced" but that probably wont happen

[Yimmy]

not happy with how i handle the whole rc manipulation thing. it'll take a fair share of luck to make it out of this one on his good side

[Yimmy]

so it's column a which means we are roleblocking etl and killing someone else. rc is starting to figure things out so that's a problem, and moonchild is prob the doc imo so those are our options.

[Yimmy]

I feel real bad for etl and rc but feeding this conflict benefited me in so many ways

[Yimmy]

no, i don't think we should kill rc. super lynch able once etl turns out to be cop (since she can't investigate ex dee). everyone besides etl is lynch able and etl is gonna be protected so im pretty confident we kill moonchild unless you suspect any other pr's

[Yimmy]

once we get the doc roleblocking is worthless. if moonchild is the doc but i get lynched d2 you're still in a super good spot

[Yimmy]

also with etl becoming conftown and the present distrust of rc, his opinions aren't to intimidating (especially since he won't case). im still confident

[Yimmy]

hahaaa. not sure when his mind changed but im in the clear

[Yimmy]

wow it's really hard to decide who to hammer when i know they're both town

[Yimmy]

gosh im super sorry. you're gonna be stuck with two conftown tomorrow, super sorry that i suck

[Yimmy]

make sure you "intent to hammer" first. deadlines coming right up tho so you could get away with a "hasty decision"
also woah im alive. i gotta fix my attitude right quick if i want to win, let alone have fun

[Yimmy]

4 different l-1's in like 24 hours
this is a ride

[Yimmy]

if i can survive this day at all you're in a much better spot than otherwise. we roleblock dunn and kill etl, this brings into question the validity of his claim (wifom: roleblocked or just lying) and puts him back into an uncomfortable spot. just gotta find a way to get someone killed besides me lol

[Yimmy]

i might quickhammer. i'm probably dying d2 anyway

[Yimmy]

no definitely not. menalque is already skeptical of dunn's claim, if i throw my life away i'm throwing away any hope of a dunn lynch

[Yimmy]

my move here might be to just not post. i'm not in the radar atm and posing is just reminding everyone that i should be lynched. i just spent a post like 2 posts ago explaining why i don't think jtw is scum. i can just make an excuse for my silence tomorrow
you could get away with a hammer (intent or no, doesn't matter) but i'm gonna shut up for now

[Yimmy]

if dunn was fake claiming the real doc would've cced. i think everyone saw his post besides etl and theyre already the cop. dunn has to be the doc

[Yimmy]

thoughts for d2: i'm prob gonna try and workshop a defense with you overnight but not right now.
i think there's a lot of room to turn at least two people against rc (we can be the other two votes if we're smart about it), and dunn and loserdude are just already scummy. if we can somehow get rc lynched d2 (i think i'll push for that myself, idk if you think it'd look good for you to) then that puts the town in lylo with dunn and loserdude. even if i get lynched d3 you can easily coast. but if i push for rc too strongly and i get lynched and flip scum that'll def make people trust rc more i think so i won't push too hard there. if i'm feeling crazy i might try to make it look like a bus on purpose but i probably shouldnt do that
also i've talked about/to you a lot less than anyone else and that'll look bad when i flip scum. not sure how to remedy that now tho

[Yimmy]

o jake didn't see the claim but we'll know if he's doc before we choose our actions so that's a-ok

[Yimmy]

but the variable isn't just tonight. if we leave etl alive is he really a potential mislynch? on the other hand dunn is an ez lynch and if the cop is dead his role isn't even valuable. heck, if we miss a kill tonight, that doesn't increase the number of days to lylo (the number of kills town has control over). i suppose etl getting a cop is a risk but there's no way a town doc wouldn't have cc'ed dunn if he was fakeclaiming

[Yimmy]

then we kill arkias ok
VOTE: roleblock etl

[Yimmy]

no we should absolutely not use a nk on dunnstral because he's an ez mislynch

[Yimmy]

actually since etl is alive and roleblocked dunnstral is confirmed town unless i claim doc. so now we have two conftown

[Yimmy]

yeah not sure what we can do now seeing as we need two lunches to win. i could try to get rc killed but if i fail and flip scum that makes him super town. like besides trying to fake bussing i got nothing

[Yimmy]

yeah im hard pushing rc unless you got an objection

[Yimmy]

but like nobody even wants to play so i doubt im gonna get people to think about a new wagon

[Yimmy]

but i could claim doctor. im already probably not lasting past day 3 and it gets both pr's out of the way. ill probably do that

[Yimmy]

im gonna wait till night (like 10-is or so est) because that's when ive always posted anyway in case you think this is a bad idea

[Yimmy]

yeah but if it succeeds roleblocking is worthless. dunn the doc is lynched so you can just kill etl at night and there's nobody to roleblock. if it fails we're in a pretty bad spot, but hardly a worse spot than if i fail at pushing rc and you only have one scummy person left to mislynch.

[Yimmy]

like if my doc fake claim succeeds then you are just in a super good spot whereas pushing rc is a: a lot harder (more likely to fail) and b: puts you in a less good spot if it succeeds

[Yimmy]

yeah with etl already voting dunn even without my cc it's looking like i got a good chance for success

[Yimmy]

ok after all this it looks like i have a shot at not dying. so im gonna try to do that instead
not entirely sure it's a better idea but i guess i'd prefer to not die

[Yimmy]

ok so the plan: gonna light push rc, see if people bite, and then go from there. if people don't bite it'll just look like distancing, not enough to make him seem towny and if people do bite i might be able to reel in the lynch

[Yimmy]

goodness im sorry. i'm not really feeling this game but i know replacing out would just be no fun for everyone so i'm trying to push through. i won't be playing another game i don't think (nothing to do with specifics of this game, just ain't all bout mafia as a whole i think)

[Yimmy]

yeah if we can turn etl against rc somehow we could be in a rad spot

[Yimmy]

there's a 90% chance rc is exactly right about the way i discuss 992

[Yimmy]

hmm maybe i should stop pushing rc and try to get the rc/me narrative momentum. gotta stay alive today somehow tho

[Yimmy]

in order for that to work me, rc, and etl at least have to be alive tomorrow. so we just kill dunnstral. lil risky tho