Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

[Rick Dalton]

Also, Cliff is a PR, get off of him. I already secretly claimed what he was because apparently I’m next level, and I see and pick up on things people don’t.

so you're super-duper-absolutely-mega sure cliff is town?

No, but I’m lean town on him.

[Rick Dalton]

I guess my thoughts on your role were wrong then.

~Dick

[Rick Dalton]

Richard my old friend, do you know what my role is based on the post I made about my role potentially being useless this game if it's role madness

N

o,

e

ven as people only look into the atmospheric nature, do you think I would know this from the beginning?

Follow the pattern of the bold, and it shows I thought you were a Neapolitan.

I give the hint when I say the beginning.

[Rick Dalton]

I screwed up the bold tags

[Rick Dalton]

Idk really what’s going on in this game right now tbh.

Tchill’s being wagoned for some reason and Carca is lovely.

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

Not if there actually is a Vanilla and you find it.

Actually if somebody is a Vanilla Townie, they should claim it.

That way, Cliff can check them, and they can become conf town.

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

Not if there actually is a Vanilla and you find it.

Actually if somebody is a Vanilla Townie, they should claim it.

That way, Cliff can check them, and they can become conf town.

This seems somewhat pointless. There are way too many variables for you to assume this

Highly disagree.

Cliff targeted a claimed VT, can bring a confirmed townie to our liking. Can even later lynch Cliff if we don’t trust it to confirm.

If town, both the claimed VT and Cliff become higher kill targets, which is also great because scum would have to kill high scum equity Cliff or a claimed VT.

You can tell look at it from a surface level

[Rick Dalton]

You cant* look at it at a surface level like you were

[Rick Dalton]

I am with Rick on this. If there's more than one VT, ONLY ONE should claim today.

Obviously I am no VT (I do give a fuck, but I'm limited/gated it's virtually useless)

Hypothetical VT claim = Hypothetical Nea on them = Hypothetical Doctor on Nea

Now scum need to shoot the claimed VT to prevent them from being an IC. Either that or they keep in looking for stronger PRs (including the Doctor) and we do end up with an IC.

I’m glad you came to the same conclusion. That makes me feel like I wasn’t just overthinking.

I think Eevee’s scum equity just raised highly for me.

[Rick Dalton]

Nobody said anything about a massclaim, gobbley. All we want is for the VT to claim, and if there's more than one then just the first one. We just want ONE VT claim, not a massclaim.

[Rick Dalton]

Whats funny is i have done a cs before with a neapolitan and the only vt in the game was a mafia role that inspected as vt called a Lazy Goon

What's even funnier is this is a NORMAL game (according to MafiaScum Normal Guides).

[Rick Dalton]

WAIT! I knew I was forgetting something.. CARCA IS ASCETIC. She's ALREADY dead.

[Rick Dalton]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

What do you mean because of one kill?

[Rick Dalton]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

I’m just a flirt.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Eevee

[Rick Dalton]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

I’m just a flirt.

But really I’m just a flirt to myself. You should see the way I look at myself in the mirror.

[Rick Dalton]

Profii, JJD modded Overkill 2 and saw everything I did that game.

[Rick Dalton]

Pretty sure Eevee accidentally said something they didn’t mean to, not necessarily a slip, but they didn’t want to take a specific type of discussion into the game, so now they’re questioning stuff like “there was only 1 kill, right?”

Like a playing dumb defense.

[Rick Dalton]

To be fair, I too got a little sketched out about the speed of Eevee, but like I said, I believe she had a line of thinking with that cover up question that Billy Pilgrim also saw, and JJD sand I also were connected in specific things, so I feel like I’m correct in thinking Eevee is scum, and that possibly scum is bussing here? I don’t know where.

Probably AF.

Oh, Carcalilly is probably defending her scum buddy, because she’s super obv scum.

[Rick Dalton]

@Carcapretty - Why is Eevee a lazy push? I think we have rather strong reasons to believe she’s scum. The multiple kill outlet feels like she knew that there was a missed kill somewhere, and then she tried to hide the fact subtly with a cover up question and tried to play dumb about it, which she seems to now be backtracking off of.

Also, when we came to the creation of the Neapolitan-VT plan, she was trying to stop that from happening.

Eevee scum heavily implies Cliff-Billy town as well, just through that alone.

[Rick Dalton]

Slowdown is getting better for me too. Honestly, I wasn’t about playing while the slowdown was happening

[Rick Dalton]

According to the Mafiascum wiki, tracker is an informative role, and voyeur is a variant of the tracker role.

[Rick Dalton]

Tracker claim could be a true scum claim, but i don’t think there’s enough of the setup out there to make the distinction either way.

[Rick Dalton]

Tchill could track me, to see if my action goes through, and then we’d have a loyal confirmed.

Or is that one of the weird things where even if i target someone who’s mafia, my action still is seen, but it isn’t affected?

[Rick Dalton]

That’s actually kinda dangerous either way if he’s scum.

[Rick Dalton]

It was used in a game I was scum in on the town side. It was a full voyeur and I abused it with my disloyal fruit vendor fake claim and got them lynched in lylo.

I also saw it attached to a JOAT earlier in the year too.

That’s about it.

[Rick Dalton]

It was used in a game I was scum in on the town side. It was a full voyeur and I abused it with my disloyal fruit vendor fake claim and got them lynched in lylo.

I also saw it attached to a JOAT earlier in the year too.

That’s about it.

Are you currently plotting a game-changing strategy that'll carry town to victory? :>

I’ll come up with a solve soon. I’ll probably power through a mislynch if I’m alive tomorrow, which i believe I will be bar a fear paranoia inducing kill, but my solve will likely be correct.

[Rick Dalton]

I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.

[Rick Dalton]

I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.

If it's not meta then there's no way I can agree with you on this

You need to get over the “they’ve been townie, so they’re town” mindset.

Scum are often more townie than town.

[Rick Dalton]

I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.

Nah

Aight, I’ll take your word for it.

[Rick Dalton]

I can’t really put it into words, but I think Profii might be scum.

Well, I could see Profli!scum protecting Garmr (regardless of Garmr alignment).

That was like the cherry on the sundae for me.

I don’t like the stances he’s been taking overall, if that makes sense.

It always seems like it’s more for gamestate manipulation and political than actually him thinking it.

[Rick Dalton]

My reads are usually great! It’s my analysis moreso than my reads, I guess.

[Rick Dalton]

Fuck, i thought I posted in the wrong game, but JJD did

[Rick Dalton]

I can't think of a single sentence, opinion, or action I'm 100% sure came from Eevee.
Is it a policy lynch?

Nah, not at all. It was a while ago at this point, but there’s even overly solid cases on her back always.

When Eevee flips red, this needs to be looked into

[Rick Dalton]

There’s also a thing called ISO’s

[Rick Dalton]

Eevee has 129 posts.

[Rick Dalton]

ALONzo was Sharon Tate slot right

[Rick Dalton]

This is neat, Dave which side you taking?

[Rick Dalton]

Dave, am I correct when I say that you have a good amount of experience with Titus?

[Rick Dalton]

Been a minute, i think I’ve only seen you as scum in the newbie queue, and I think you won and I didn’t see it until like it was too late, and even then it was moon logic theory that I thought could be happening.

I don’t necessarily think you’re scum here, but I can’t say I lock town you, but i can’t say anything you’ve done pings out as scum, and Sharon Tate was super null.

[Rick Dalton]

Your movie didn't have a fucking plot.

This is almost worth a vote

[Rick Dalton]

Why wouldn’t I be committal if I were scum?

[Rick Dalton]

The living embodiment of floaty and non committal, and whos vote should have been on me since I joined (and yesterday should have been all over Sharon Tate)

I’m the only one who knew who Sharon Tate was, I wasn’t gonna vote there.

[Rick Dalton]

Vig should shoot Eevee.

[Rick Dalton]

Eevee is the one who escaped lynch today. Shoot Eevee.

[Rick Dalton]

If there even is a vig, idk where that came from. I was busy most of yesterday

[Rick Dalton]

You lynched Sharon Tate’s replacement.

Eh, your guess is as good as mine. I have no clue.

I wanna say Alonzo flips town based on wagon comp and the way Eevee momentum stopped, but i have no real reason other than that.

[Rick Dalton]

You lynched Sharon Tate’s replacement.

Eh, your guess is as good as mine. I have no clue.

I wanna say Alonzo flips town based on wagon comp and the way Eevee momentum stopped, but i have no real reason other than that.

Completely false btw, Rick knows flipped meta as scum is to lurk and not post, he should be all over this slot.

His fencesitting is scummy as hell

He also does that as town, and I also know his entire schedule has been wack lately. It’s a reason I mentioned who the slot was in the first place.

Even though I technically shouldn’t have outed because it wasn’t mine to out.

[Rick Dalton]

You lynched Sharon Tate’s replacement.

Eh, your guess is as good as mine. I have no clue.

I wanna say Alonzo flips town based on wagon comp and the way Eevee momentum stopped, but i have no real reason other than that.

Completely false btw, Rick knows flipped meta as scum is to lurk and not post, he should be all over this slot.

His fencesitting is scummy as hell

Also, I wasn’t on you.

Is this just you being mad I should have been on you? Is this a scum claim?

[Rick Dalton]

Hopkirk, the only way you die is ifa vigilante decides to kill you.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m still alive, they have to kill me. You’re too loud right now to kill. And if your solve is correct, then they won’t kill you here. If your solve is partially correct, you’ll get gamestate manipulated.

If your solve is way off is the only time I can see you being killed here.

You blew your load too early.

[Rick Dalton]

If it helps, I solidly read you as town. You’re acting like townFL, who says the same exact thing, and generally those games aren’t the game I’m nightkilled in.

I’m nightkilled in games where I’m not quite at a solve, but my utility is in re-evaluation, so people who know me kill me off before it gets to that point.

[Rick Dalton]

I mean yeah you clearly die here but let's make it a tougher choice for them.

Nah, my doctor claim wasn’t believable enough to scum. It’s the loyal part that’s throwing the scum off. They probably think I’m a Loyal something else.

[Rick Dalton]

I've been kind of assuming you're Flavor Leaf here?

Yeah, I’m Flavor Leaf/Boonskiies.

[Rick Dalton]

We’ve played a few times, but i wouldn’t say we’ve played thta much nor do I really remember any specific game or moment that we have.

[Rick Dalton]

Ah, the whole third person bit was a bit confusing for a moment but I got it.
I think one of my most recent games (had a bit of a break for work/exam stuff) was us as masons. I remember we gelled well.

What's your Cliff read looking like?

Ohhhhhh! I totally remember that actually. I got night killed pretty early there, I believe.

I was lean town on Cliff. I might be close to thinking he’s scum,though. I felt like he was coasting through the day.

I cant really say that I didn’t coast through the day either besides my Eevee push. I should have been here more.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Its either this or someone's trying to frame you.

Why would I ever kill Gobble there?

[Rick Dalton]

If this town let’s them continue with that nonsense it will result in a loss.

People say this, but the majority of games I do shenanigans I end up solving.

You can ask A50/Garmr about my trololol’ing all game as an IC.

You can ask Vorkuta/Alchemist/Una about my trollloling fake claim day 3 IC into Vig.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID YOU FREELOADING BENEDICT ARNOLD

I ain't trusting you as far as I can throw you.

This was pretty clearly a crumb. I'm surprised no one seemed to catch it.

VOTE: Tchill

That vote hopping was opportunistic as

oven

.

I don't know what this means, but is it possible that Tchill was Gook's rolecop target?

Gobbledygook just hates me because I vigged him last game.

I’m pretty sure that was something close to my flavor in that game, the freeloading part.

[Rick Dalton]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

what are you talking about...? idt scum would know a traitor even exists. also ela is an easier way to shorten my name. (sidenote the "teh" procs my ocd. idk why you always type the like that)

Why wouldn’t scum know?

Actually, this is a normal. Scum ten billion percent know there was a traitor, and the traitor ten billion percent knew all the scum.

[Rick Dalton]

There's no way a traitor is stupid enough to <3 only scumpartners unless they're doing it specifically for Wifom which is dumb in itself.

You would think so, but I've been scum in a game where traitor pegged all partners (as scum in that case but as town works the same way), and we lost.

I’m pretty sure I’m the one that caught you all because of that.

[Rick Dalton]

Are people trying to say Eevee and I are scum together

[Rick Dalton]

Possibly.

Hopkirk could have been the night kill.

[Rick Dalton]

Tchill13 has requested replacement.

Timing of this is awkward, but I don’t wanna use that as a thing

[Rick Dalton]

A Vig should just claim at this point, though.

Even if they didn’t kill Gobb

[Rick Dalton]

Rick, whats your read on Kop?

Strong town PR.

[Rick Dalton]

Here's what important and I don't give a shit who believes me or not but let it be known.
I am TOWN
I am a LOYAL FRUIT VENDOR
Billy is TOWN barring very unlikely scenarios that could influence this
RD LIED about there being no loyal modifiers

I didn’t say there was no loyal modifiers here.

I said I had ran a gambit where I claimed there were no Loyal Modifiers in a different game.

[Rick Dalton]

Were*

I am not caught up at all here. I just read this page and the last page

[Rick Dalton]

Then why was JJD lynched? I’m reading in reverse.

In the game I did that in, I claimed I was informed there were 4 scum and no loyal modifiers.

It was kinda funny that I won that game as scum, and I was just making a callback here in this game.

[Rick Dalton]

Sorry, I’ve been busy. :/

I think i went a couple days without being on the Rick Dalton account for more than a few minutes.

My game starting up on Morality been taking my mafia time and I’ve been busy in real life.

[Rick Dalton]

I have no clue where I would vote, and I think because I came in late, I’d have been biased.

I never really got pinged by JJD, and I usually can sniff his scum game out immediately.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t really understand completely what happened, but I saw a Loyal Fruit Vendor and a Disloyal Fruit Vendor which just makes me think of the time I fake claimed Disloyal Fruit Vendor and got Something Smart to claim a fruit because my scum partner was a complex fruit vendor so we outed the fact he was a PR, and he ended up being a Loyal Fruit Vendor, and I claimed his fruit even though a scum partner of mine got it and we killed him that night phase.

[Rick Dalton]

Here's what important and I don't give a shit who believes me or not but let it be known.
I am TOWN
I am a LOYAL FRUIT VENDOR
Billy is TOWN barring very unlikely scenarios that could influence this
RD LIED about there being no loyal modifiers

I didn’t say there was no loyal modifiers here.

I said I had ran a gambit where I claimed there were no Loyal Modifiers in a different game.

Rick, read 790 and tell me where you reference another game.

You are right.

Mandela effect, my bad.
I just quoted myself from a past game is all. I didn’t think it would be taken seriously, it was an inside joke type thing. I claimed 2 more ridiculous things as obvious jokes afterwards too. I can find the post from the other game I was referring to if you’d like.

I thought maybe I was referring to another game when I said it because Cliff took it like it was serious, and I didn’t remember about my joke trio of posts, but I believed that I said that because that was a thing I remembered vaguely talking about this game

[Rick Dalton]

JJD said he gave fruit to Billy right? Or was that you who gave him fruit?

No. JJD didnt claim that he gave me fruit, when I crumbed my fruit, Cliff said he gave it to me. JJD claimed he sent fruit to Cliff N1 then Bob N2.

To be fair, this is exactly what I did in Ramblings to an extent.

I had a scum partner who was a Complex Fruit Vendor, and I was a goon, I tricked Something into claiming he got a fruit, then claimed Disloyal on him, and then scum partner claimed he gave him a fruit, so we knew he was a PR.

Then we killed him that night and he was a Loyal Fruit Vendor.

So it’s weird that something very similar to that game is happening here in some fashion.

[Rick Dalton]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would still track them even if they failed to give them fruit.

I believe this is incorrect. I know a roleblocked tracker target would he seen as going no where so i assume this extends to just basic role failure

It’s a little different, and weird.

If a Cop targets an ascetic, they would get a no result, but a tracker targeting a Cop isn’t blocked by any means, so the tracker would see the Cop target the Ascetic.

It’s weird, and I don’t know if I agree with it, but at the moment, that is how it works for Normal games, which effectively makes it sitewide.

[Rick Dalton]

It doesn’t come up often, but I’ve modded a game where it did, and I was scum in a game where it happened. Other than that, it’s all been semantic talk with it

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton - do you remember that game you ran where I was passing a sticky fruit round and your friend said he received the wrong fruit which led to my untimely death

That kinda reminds me of this where there is probably an underlying scum plan at play going on but I think someone has claimed something a bit off piste and the scum aren't fully in control here

Yeah, I’m not sure what’s happening.

Occam’s razor is Cliff is just scum, but this game got complicated the same time I got busy irl, and I haven’t been able to get back into it.

Fruit vendor claims are confusing af to deal with now for some reason

[Rick Dalton]

I have some paranoia that scum have a rolestopper voyeur tracker combo or something

Because I feel like Garmr straight up knew I targeted Carcalilly Night 1.

[Rick Dalton]

Cliff, I think you gotta go. You bringing up watching me in Black and White means you’re totally willing to try and wiggle stuff out as scum, and I’m kinda paranoid you’ve been relying on me to keep you from getting ran up, which is why this place went crazy after I left

[Rick Dalton]

No I didn’t.

I said i felt like you knew. Never once did I say scum read. It’s a fair point to have made, and i don’t read games in black and white, and I go through all slots

[Rick Dalton]

Oh yeah, i forgot Eevee is still scum.

They probably killed their scum partner because gobb was voting there.

[Rick Dalton]

sad that my scumread got confirmed town. what roles can actually do that in a normal? publishing cop?

And that's a sad thing why? Because you're scum and can't push that mislynch anymore?

Scum pool right now (in the event Cliff flips town) is {Eevee, Kop, Titus, tex, Hopkirk, Hectic}

Mostly slots with low content who've been sitting back watching town destroy itself.

In the event Cliff flips scum, Dalton could be a partner. Not too sure who else atm.

If I was a Cliff partner, Cliff does not flip today.

Simple as that.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m gonna try to catch up tonight. I saw Cliff was L-2, don’t hammer him yet.

[Rick Dalton]

Oh, Kop already went through.

And Carcalilly is claimed Ascetic, guys.

I’ve been waiting.

[Rick Dalton]

You ready, Cliff?

[Rick Dalton]

Cliff’s trying to game the game, i felt that was obvious from the beginning

[Rick Dalton]

I needed to wait until every last thing was done so he’d be forced to commit

[Rick Dalton]

I already told Cliff my answer.

[Rick Dalton]

Rick do I townread you

Rick do I townread you

You should, yes. But like, just say you don’t because they’re gonna push some weird stuff.

This happened early day 2, AFTER I claimed loyal doctor.

I didn’t get anything, and I feel like you have been pushing it like I should have, or you were just waiting for something to play off of it until it was convenient.

[Rick Dalton]

If you’re sticking with that loyal claim, I know for a fact you didn’t target me, so idk why you held everything up that way.

[Rick Dalton]

Boring. I was ready to go off on a 1v1.

[Rick Dalton]

Wow, I got to prod range. Guess I’ve been that busy. Felt like I posted yesterday even

[Rick Dalton]

Let’s not lynch my stunt double.

I’m down to keep him employed.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m having a hard time catching up and staying invested. Busy lately, and this game kinda took a hard backseat.

Someone should cop me and clear me so I can coast and troll

[Rick Dalton]

Then I’ll solve the game outta nowhere

[Rick Dalton]

I’ve already claimed my protectiveness

[Rick Dalton]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Cliff

He’s probably town, but I’m ready to move to another day phase. If he’s scum, Garmr is town. If he’s town, we get more innos.

I’m protecting Dave.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, I knew you were Eth0s pre-game.

This is my only game now, so I’m coming. Kill me scum

[Rick Dalton]

Wait, we have a doc claim. We had one pr that wasnt suspected (Profii) Why is the doc believable?

Also, mass claim happens now.

I want Rick and Titus first.

You realize there’s a mason, an IC, and 2 confirmed town VT’s, right? Why would I have went profit?

I also stated who I was protecting for WIFOM purposes.

[Rick Dalton]

Eevee, Titus, and Garner probably have 2 scum in them, then the last scum is a deep wolf somewhere

[Rick Dalton]

I’m a little confused to how the Eevee pressure left after a Day 2 which is annoying because 8 was inactive, so it makes me feel scum were probably slight bussing but trying to move the wagon back then

[Rick Dalton]

Titus and Garmr are likely scum theatring right now because they’re both in trash spots right now.

I actually think Garmr is scummier than Titus, but could be because i don’t recall much of Titus this game

[Rick Dalton]

Eevee, Titus, and Garner probably have 2 scum in them, then the last scum is a deep wolf somewhere

That's 4 scum.

I overestimated the amount of scum members in a recent game, and I got wrecked because of it. I’ll be wary of more, but I’m gonna be looking at associations in terms of threes.

[Rick Dalton]

Because it still aplli3s if there is more, and not the other way around

[Rick Dalton]

Rick your avoiding answering who you doctored?

Just didn’t see.

I’m Non Consecutive. I didn’t do anything last night.

I brought up protecting Dave so scum wouldn’t kill him, because he was the most likely to die out of the conf townies.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m a little teapot, short and stout

I will be VLA for a couple days, don’t you pout.

I’ll still try to post some, i won’t try and slack

When scum least expects it, I’ll be back.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Eevee

Next day phase please.

[Rick Dalton]

Billy, Hectic, Dave, AF, Garmr have at least 2 scum in them then.

Yes, I know there are multiple conf townies in that.

The statement still is correct.

[Rick Dalton]

Is day over

[Rick Dalton]

I think Garmr/Eevee is likely a scum pairing.

[Rick Dalton]

I just keep going back towards Garmr claiming an action on Carcalilly, who then claimed to be Ascetic, followed by a Garmr backtrack. The thing that also set me off from that is that I did target Carcalilly, and said so, and he confirmed my action.

In my last scum game, i claimed to be a tracker, and confirmed someone’s action after they claimed, only for them to claim Ascetic, and i backtracked saying i was gambiting. I was scum there.

I was letting it slide for a bit, but I’m just feeling Occam’s razor is Garmr’s scum.

Claim your action last night Garmr.

[Rick Dalton]

I really don’t think this is lylo. I got wrecked from assuming this earlier, but still.

[Rick Dalton]

Garmr’s AtE’ing is kind of working on me, but I still feel he’s scum, if that makes sense.

His scum game is looking a lot like how mine does this game, including the backtracking gambit gambit

[Rick Dalton]

I don't believe that Garmr conveniently 'forgot' to put in a night action considering that his voyeur claim has been a big talking point.

Not sure what he's trying to do with the whole 'let's mislynch me now' thing.

Night 1 he also fake claimed that he had a result on Ascetic and backtracked. Occam’s razor, Garmr is just scum. The ate is good, though.

[Rick Dalton]

Alternatively, we can kill obvscum Eevee.

[Rick Dalton]

I believe Eevee is L-2.

[Rick Dalton]

AF vote Eevee.

[Rick Dalton]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Eevee

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

One scum right here.

@Garmr - who’d you target?

[Rick Dalton]

Garmr - (2): Titus, texcat
Titus - (2): Garmr, Carcalilly

Absolutely no way this doesn’t have scum in it.

Which means Titus, Texcat, Garmr.

Texcat’s comment on the wagon on Eevee was bad probably is coming from scum who knows the alignment of everyone, so the Eevee wagon is likely filled with a lot of townies. 1 scum on Eevee, 2 max if we have 4 scum.

I very much think 2 scum are in Titus, Texcat, Garmr, though.

1 of them is Texcat.

I also really don’t understand why Texcat was pushing my hammer as bad when I was literally pushing Eevee since Day 2 and spent the majority of yesterday pushing Eevee. I was wrong, and now I’m taking kind of a reset on this game to see where I was mixed up.

AF/Hectic/Hopkirk probably have at least 1 too, but I don’t know where.

[Rick Dalton]

Carcalilly

Bob

AF
Hopkirk
Hectic

Titus
Garmr

Texcat

Is where I’m at right now.

I don’t think Titus/Garmr is S/S. I don’t think it’s out of the possibility, however, especially since I feel like we’ve been on Garmr/Titus for days now and neither of them are getting lynched, so it makes me feel like they’re setting each other up if one of them goes down. This is just a potential, I’m not sure if that’s what’s happening here or not.

AF/Hopkirk/Hectic I generally was town reading throughout, and I can’t really remember why, but Eevee flipping town means I’m wrong there, unless scum is Texcat/Garmr/Titus, but that doesn’t seem right. (If I’m right on this, I’m taking the credit post game) this is assuming 3 scum.

Alternatively if there are 4 scum, we definitely have at least 1 scum in Hopkirk/AF/Hectic.

Probability wise, we likely have 1 scum there even if we don’t have 4 scum.

Those are the groupings for me.

[Rick Dalton]

My only hold up is I believe that Titus kills me 100% of the time before we get to this point in the game.

Garmr’s gotten caught by me way earlier in the year after leaving me alive in a game where I was essentially trolling, and I came around and caught him. He was a deep wolf in that game, and I hard solved out of nowhere and caught the last 2 scum confidently, so that’s another thing.

However, there are conf townies, so maybe they value killing them off over me. I don’t know. My non consecutive is really easy for scum to work around, and he can potentially pull a fake guilty gambit if Garmr is scum, I guess.

If scum have a roleblocker or some sort, not lynching Garmr and trying to get a situation where something doesn’t add up with Garmr and I is also a solid play.

I’ve also caught Texcat in a game where I was doing nothing, and then I came in Day 4, called the scum team out, including Texcat, and then I got killed. I was on FL there, but I don’t know how much Texcat would remember that kind of thing and/or fear me solving.

[Rick Dalton]

2 of Titus/Texcat/Garmr - Group A

2 of AF/Hectic/Hopkirk - Group B

If we’re not lylo, take one away from the second grouping.

I have reason to town read every person in Group B, but I’m like 99% sure that scum is in there based on me not believing Texcat/Garmr/Titus play like that as a team. That’s just unnecessary and prolongs this game a lot, and I don’t think anyone wants this game that prolonged. Basically, I don’t think scum choose to play this game patiently for the win, if that makes sense.

I can see Texcat-Titus because Texcat doesn’t want Titus at all, which if this is lylo, makes sense to give a buddy some defense.
Garmr-Titus is setup to have the other end game if they are S/S, and that’s been on my mind for a bit now. Eevee flipping town wasn’t like...a super shock to me, i was thinking about the possibilities for sure, but I was hoping I was overthinking it. That made Garmr-Titus much more possible. If Titus is scum and flips, Garmr would possibly be able to have the clout to frame me even. If Garmr is flipped scum, Titus would have town cred AND a reason for not being killed with Carca/Myself/Bob likely on the chopping block before them.
I can see Garmr/Texcat because Garmr is hard on Titus, and Texcat is on the same side as Titus, which behind the scenes I can see Garmr/Texcat positioning themselves in a way where Texcat would look good if Titus flipped town, and could get the clout from an eventual Garmr red flip, if this isn’t lylo.

Now AF, Hectic, Hopkirk gets a little tricky. I kept feeling like Hopkirk was pretending to be some PR or something, but they seem to have dropped it which makes me feel they were possibly setting up a fake claim if necessary to make some sort of play.

AF and Hectic haven’t done anything outright scummy imo, but I don’t think scum always do anyways. They’re both in positions where they aren’t main wagons, but they’re like “last in line” scum read, but they could just be setup by scum that way.

I think it’s 2 from Group A, and Hopkirk right now. That’s my solve.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

One scum right here.

@Garmr - who’d you target?

[Rick Dalton]

(Titus/Texcat/AFF/Hectic) are the 'let's lynch Garmr block. I still have a townread on Garmr. None of them have addressed the main reason I've given for this despite me mentioning it at least twice to Hectic yesterday.
@Titus@Texcat@AFF@Hectic

Why does Garmr actually make that claim. It's such a bad fakeclaim for scum to make for so many reasons at that time.

All of them are pushing for him despite how much the rest of that block is pushing for him- despite the fact I think I'm the only non confirmed town who doesn't want to lynch Garmr. @Hectic especially: why did AFF/Texcat want to lynch Garmr yesterday so badly?

I want to lynch (Titus/Tex/Aff) today then have a look at Hectic before making the final decision. That's almost definitely the scumteam though.

I don't think it's a bad fake claim at all. It was a good, safe, early fake claim. Garmr was just unlucky that Carca was ascetic.

On the other hand, I think it was a terrible town claim if Garmr is actually town.

Hilarious if Texcat said to make that claim in the scum thread.

Garmr made the claim after I brought up doctoring Carcalilly, and he used it to “confirm” my action, but then Carcalilly claimed Ascetic, and he backtracked. Garmr’s in the same exact position as I was in my last scum game, in Black and White. I tried to confirm a townie and coast off that, and got caught out so had to back track. Still won there, but yeah.

[Rick Dalton]

Texcat/Garmr/AF/Hectic?

[Rick Dalton]

4 scum, Bob and Carca town. That means only 2 of y’all are town, and I think it’s Titus/Hopkirk right now.

[Rick Dalton]

If we stall out the day a little and we get another 5-6 day twilight/night phase then I should be able to look through stuff again. I could look through Garmr again then so we could leave him/Titus.

Think the whole scumteam are going for a bus on Garmr over the win? I'm not 100% sure why they would since literally the entire scumpool (except me) is going for him so it's an obvious bus. Maybe so they could lynch Eevee then me, but then they still need another lynch and it's just them + conf town (assuming scum Garmr). Seems more likely they're just going for the win by going hard.

I'm happy with Tex or AFF today.

Well, assuming 4 scum, 5 town, Carca/Bob never getting lynched, I’m a last ditch play for scum to lynch, but then they have to go up against me today, so I don’t think that’s a thing here, which leaves only 2 mislynch options for the day for scum, and if they don’t get them, then they have to set themselves up down the line. It’s the safer route for them to set up not winning today.

A game just finished, Mafia A La Mode, where I was on the run as scum for dayyyys, and I probably could have lived another day or so, but instead I decided to take the bullet and set my teammate up to deepwolf.

I feel Texcat is getting some clout if Garmr flips scum.

[Rick Dalton]

I’d also feel super bad if it’s Garmr-Titus and Texcat town, though. Because Garmr’s been seeming like they’re doing stuff like “trying to get lynched” and then just isn’t.

[Rick Dalton]

The people on the Garmr wagon currently:

Titus, Texcat, Hectic

Hectic: he’s being bussed by his entire scum team!!

idk if this makes hectic townier or scummier. I do realize he was probably just talking about positioning wise.

[Rick Dalton]

I'm just ready to pull my hair out. If it was anyone else, Garmr would be in a body bag right now and we'd have a scum flip.

Exactly. He's literally being bussed by his whole scumteam but the conf!town refuse to lynch him.

This is why it’s weird.

[Rick Dalton]

Texcat/Hectic giving me some bad vibes right now...agggghhhhhh.

Titus unvote.

[Rick Dalton]

Hectic: 'There's no danger of quickhammer since scum would need to coordinate'
Also Hectic 'Let me just put Garmr on L2'

You're 100% sure it's not Hopkirk/Aaron/Texcat/Titus then?

If it is, then quick hammer and get it over with.

[Rick Dalton]

I'm decided on Garmr, AaronFF, Texcat being scum, last being probably you.

Order of confidence goes Garmr and then Texcat. Hence why I've voted.

This is probably a subconscious scumtell.

It looks like Aaron was positioned in between Garmr/Texcat purposefully, only for the order to be Garmr, Texcat.

[Rick Dalton]

Texcat’s still probably bussing Garmr unless it’s Texcat/Titus.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Texcat

[Rick Dalton]

I'm decided on Garmr, AaronFF, Texcat being scum, last being probably you.

Order of confidence goes Garmr and then Texcat. Hence why I've voted.

This is probably a subconscious scumtell.

It looks like Aaron was positioned in between Garmr/Texcat purposefully, only for the order to be Garmr, Texcat.

What's the scumtell? That Garmr and Texcat are both town?

Why did AF get listed before Texcat if you think Texcat has higher scum equity?

Scum like to name drop partners in situations like this.

[Rick Dalton]

You wanna claim for me?

[Rick Dalton]

I’m trying to figure out if Hectic is scum setting up a quick lynch somewhere by going deep

[Rick Dalton]

I was sitting on post review spamming it for a bit with my unvote ready to go to stop a quick hammer

[Rick Dalton]

Does anyone who is not titus/tex agree or disagree with tex/titus being scum partners. and why?

If you’re town, then yes, they are partners. I said as much in my bigger analysis comments.

[Rick Dalton]

Drunk af, talk to me, babes

[Rick Dalton]

Bob, I'm gonna assume you're not incompetent town, and are just scum here then.

This is literally a lock scum slot, let’s be honest.

Like, I’ve actually never seen a slot obvscum so hard as Hectic did this day phase.

[Rick Dalton]

Don’t vote yet. Give me time to mass solve the game.

[Rick Dalton]

I was looking during the night, and I actually think AaronFrost-Hopkirk-Hectic have a decent chance at being on off chance scum team. I was thinking of it just as a “What if” scenario, but the more I looked into, the more it seemed like they possibly were trying to keep Garmr/Titus alive as a T/T feud to end the game with.

Also, Garmr has been throwing out there comments about me being scum every now and then, and nobody else comments on it, which I also found weird. Everyone just seemed to accept the fact I was town, and then I haven’t died. I think it was expected, at least as potential, of Garmr and I to eventually go after each other, and then Garmr gets mislynched for the win.

I could just be wrong about all of that and Occam’s Razor, Garmr’s scum, but i don’t know why he hasn’t committed to pushing me yet. He’s set himself up to do it. That’s a bold scum play, though.

Hectic being town probably ends up being a game losing mislynch, though. If not today, some future day.

[Rick Dalton]

This game is hopeless. I doubt now how many times is gonna convince me to change my vote before I realise he's actually just scum.
This also means there's 3 scum alive which is really weird. They've probably got really strong roles in that case like Tracker+Rolecop+Roleblocker?

Hop+Garmr+Aaron
Maybe Bob since scum almost certainly have a tracker.

What clears Titus for you?

While I do think this is what you should be thinking for the team if you are town, it almost seems like because I’ve eased on Titus, you’re trying to shift the game state into a world where I eventually push Hop or Aaron.

Assuming 3 scum, which is likely, only 1 mislynch is needed, and I’m definitely the kill tonight, so I really need to make sure I solve.

[Rick Dalton]

I still feel like Titus/Garmr could just be bussing, which is why it always ends up somewhere else by the end of the day, and one of them get deep wolf clout if the other goes down at this point.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Garmr

[Rick Dalton]

So a scum doc would be no different to a a scum visitor.

Funny you say that...

[Rick Dalton]

But the voyeur was an issue

[Rick Dalton]

Eventually we’ll roll the same alignment, Bob.

[Rick Dalton]

Says y’all. We had effectively zero power and a traitor in a large 21p game.

2 Visitors
Macho

[Rick Dalton]

Like wtf

[Rick Dalton]

Also don't know what was up with all the macho roles.

It was a red herring to make scum think we needed to look for a protective and a Vigilante.

I actually liked that aspect of the game, but I claimed doctor pretty early on

[Rick Dalton]

I was trying to out the protective early on, and then I figured I’d be able to beat any protective who would try to counterclaim me later on, which is why I killed off Gobb, because he would have hard pushed me in that scenario if he were town.

I was prepping for it, and then I pieced together Macho’s were there to make scum afraid of that stuff, but I’m super bold, so

Also, let’s talk about how you guys effectively had 5 confirmed townies this game...-.-

[Rick Dalton]

17v3.5...

[Rick Dalton]

That being said, I kinda liked the setup.

I just broke it pretty hard. Scum having a Macho role made scum claiming a protective PR really dangerous.

[Rick Dalton]

That being said, I kinda liked the setup.

I just broke it pretty hard. Scum having a Macho role made scum claiming a protective PR really dangerous.

[Rick Dalton]

10th Scum Victory this year, 5 of them were larges

Spoiler:

Let’s Talk About An On-Going Game - 9p Micro

The Room Odds - 9p Micro

One Night Ultimate Werewolf 81p Large Theme

Krazy’s Anime U-Pick 19p Large Theme

Mini Normal 2058 13p Mini Normal

Mini Normal 2073 - ramblings 13p Mini Normal

Pokemon Fusion U-Pick 17p Large Theme

Large Normal 222: Black Versus White 17p Large Normal

Mini Normal 2102: Mafia a la mode 13p Mini Normal

Large Normal 223: New Beginnings 21p Large Normal

[Rick Dalton]

2 on Rick Dalton
1 on Pretentious
1 on Morality
6 on Flavor Leaf

[Rick Dalton]

If the town cop hadn't faked a guilty and gotten two town lynched you were screwed by setup.

If the masons didn't both out themselves d1 while widely townread then you can just get screwed so easily with like 5 confirmed town coming out d3 if you don't shoot prs.

To be fair, if you go back and look, I was there every day phase fueling fire and causing disruption in all the feuds.

I called it Pennywising in the scum thread. I Pennywise’d the hell out of the A50-Cliff conundrum

And I actively bantered with Gamma Emerald and Carcalilly Day 1

[Rick Dalton]

You were dead tonight, or I was gonna No Kill and act like I protected you.

I had a BP gambit up my sleeve I never needed to use still

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah I was honestly surprised I never got lynched I felt like I was pretty obv-scum this game.

I hard saved you Day 1

[Rick Dalton]

Rick Dalton is 3 for 3, 100% win rate, 2 scum, 1 town. The town game went to 3p lylo with me in it too. Idk what it is, but my Rick Dalton persona hits right, I guess

[Rick Dalton]

if you did no kill then you would have lost. And should lose if you killed me.

No kill means-why woudl scum target me, no they wouldnt = rick is scum.
me dead = rick is scum as any town doc would be on me.

So my vote woudl be rigth place but you still prob get mislynch

I had my non consecutive modifier to fall back on to avoid that, and I had my out with Garmr.

We were also perpetually in a situation where only 1 townie needed to misvote the entire game for us to take the win.

You saw me on Pretentious, you know it doesn’t matter if I’m obv scum of you can’t get me lynched.

[Rick Dalton]

I think we played well as a team this game. Gobb too, i just didn’t realize he was scum and fear killed him. I actively brought up wanting to kill him to the others.

I said early on i always kill my scum traitors in the pt