Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[skitter30]

i'm sorry you're having such an unpleasant experience rob :/

[cyrus62]

can we try to get along please.....

[Robbnva]

Bef could be scum but Tchill thought process the entire day has been pro scum. Skitter’s refusal to explain her reads the whole game when she knows I find it scummy, is pro scum. Garmr flat out lying about Tchill and the other stuff is pro scum.

Idk how to decide anymore.

But the fact that 4 people want to lynch bef, very clearly screams bef is town to me. If bef was scum his partner wouldn’t be bussing here and I’m not scum.

[Tchill13]

basically im ok with betting the game on garmr not being scum with a BP modifier. Because that is the only scenario where scum would allow wake to live and proceed with his action. if scum have an RB scum just RB wake.

[Robbnva]

I’m logging out. I’d love to stay away until I’m prodded but we all know that won’t happen.

Why do I care so much.

[skitter30]

basically im ok with betting the game on garmr not being scum with a BP modifier. Because that is the only scenario where scum would allow wake to live and proceed with his action. if scum have an RB scum just RB wake.

yeah so i'm not

[Tchill13]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

im usually extremely inconsistent and if youve made statements similar but im completely igonring youre posts...

then im not seeing the statements. so i cant push you for those statements.

So you're just not reading my posts then?
(After the whole 'skitter is gud' thing?)

I've also given reads on bef and rabid on the previous page.
Hectic gut town, robb is scummy

Skitter is town.

it's really annoying, and scummy when a player says players are scummy without explaining why even when asked. It is also annoying when a player doesn't explain why they are town reading people and when shown really damning evidence to counter the town read and is asked to comment on it, ignores it completlt.

I have revised my lynch list to rabid/skitter/hectic/wake in that order. I actually think skitter may move ahead at some point because I don't see myself agreeing with much of anything she has said this entire game and the fact that she blatantly ignores important questions and can't be bothered to actually explain why she has the reads she has, leans super scummy.

I'm starting to doubt my skitter TR. This feels right in a weird way. It's like I don't want to get caught up in conf bias by SRing but I never really thought about it could go the other way with TRing skitter.

I do think tchill vs garmr could be TvT tbh. tchill seems pretty confident in his meta read and his push feels real and I don't think scum!tchill would make a big push on town!garmr this early in the game.

That being said, I don't think garmr is scum, he just seems indifferent imo.

if you think i'm scum here you must think i'm bad at it so gtfo

this comment comes specifcally with robb being my scum mate in mind.

this is just inaccurate. Ive pushed garmr and pressured/ vote hopped. I cant help if ppl refuse to pressure with me.

I guess it can't hurt. I'm not getting town vibes, not getting any really vibes from this slot. But since you have all but begged for help on this wagon, I'll oblige.

VOTE: Garmr

GEEZ

Now I just want to lynch both tchill and garmr just to get them to stop. This feels like something personal and has nothing to do with this game.

@Garmr
Are you just OMGUSing tchill for his vote or are you still mad about another game?

Besides tchill who else do you find scummy?

UNVOTE:

Since this was a L-2 and now I am totally lost on both slots. I think it could still could be TvT but these 2 have something to work out that doesn't feel related to this particular game.

@tchill


I'm justgoing to stick with robb at least he hates everyone the same and besides he is putting in the most work.

VOTE: skitter

VOTE: Menalque

I don't really trust the 2 on the Bob wagon right now and my TRs are on this slot, so I'll move my vote back there.

and after this he claims have recieved robbs message n1.

[Robbnva]

I’m friendly neighbor. I’d curse at you all right now but I don’t want to be banned. Whoever is town stay away from me. Wake. Stay away from me also


I’m not leaving the game but I’m done with it. Everyone is too lazy to scum hunt. Too lazy to explain themselves. Everyone relies on PRs and mass claims. What fun is that? I’d rather win or lose playing the way the game was intended than win because we cheated. Setup spec is cheating imo. Game breaking is cheating. It’s like counting cards.

[Robbnva]

I chose bef cause I had two town reads left. Bed and Tchill. I didn’t think anyone would believe Tchill. Wake I thought would be dead.

No way I was choosing anyone else. I scum read them all.

[Robbnva]

Whoever is town. Lynch right. You don’t need my opinion. Lord knows nobody wants to listen to it.

[Tchill13]

bef's approach to not wanting to out the neighborizer makes perfect sense given its robb. robb would demand he not say a word.

[Tchill13]

the fact that the FN wasnt loyal does have an impact. i thought it was a schtick to clear BEF. a poor one, but still.

[skitter30]

Ok cool

If i'm right on the tchill tr then it's just bef/garmr

I have no moral or ethical qualms with counting cards, if you're good enough to get an advantage that way than abuse it

[skitter30]

In case it isnt clear friend neighbor doesnt create a neighborhood

[Tchill13]

Ok cool

If i'm right on the tchill tr then it's just bef/garmr

I have no moral or ethical qualms with counting cards, if you're good enough to get an advantage that way than abuse it

skitter has to be scum here. this garmr push is ridiculous.

robb i can see playing this way as either alignment as he tends to lean into his town play as scum but he actually claimed here, which i doubt he'd do as scum.

there is no wifom worth garmr being risked.

both scum cant be bp, as the game would be too scum sided given the ungated vig who can only kill town.

so if there is a bp there's a 50 percent chance itd be on garmr of the 2 scum.

if they had a RB scum would RB given garmr is scum.

so not only is it unlikely scum allow garmr to be risked, on top of that its 50/50 he's the scum with the BP.

[skitter30]

I really dont care about the bp theories. I have no way of knowing what scum do or do not have and i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

Wake town
Robb can only be scum woth bef
I tr you

That leaves exactly bef/garmr or bef/robb

[Tchill13]

thats fine.

lynch bef shoot rob.

[Tchill13]

i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

you realize from my pov scum will do anything necessary to provide a way to discredit garmr as town?

[skitter30]

No robb should confirm himself on someone else and wake should shoot in you/me/garmr, probably garmr

I think.

I need to sleep but i'll think about this more

Robb is self-clearing, he doesnf need to be shot to get cleared since he can clear himself in other ways

[skitter30]

i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

you realize from my pov scum will do anything necessary to provide a way to discredit garmr as town?

You realize from my pov as scum this was:
A) a dumb af way to get garmr into the lynch pool
B) a dumb af nk
C) at this point i could just agree with your/wake's logic and try to lynch you instead

[cyrus62]

vote cout comeing in this spot.

[Tchill13]

if we mislynch we cant afford to let robb self clear.

in the case bef is scum id like bef lynched, you shot and robb messaging me.

[skitter30]

Look. Suppose i did decide to put myself in this position wrt garmr

Path to victory now is: bus bef, have wake shoot rob, kill wake, declare garmr conftown and lynch tchill

Like you're looking at this isolated read and not understanding that it makes no sense in a broader scum agenda

[skitter30]

if we mislynch we cant afford to let robb self clear.

in the case bef is scum id like bef lynched, you shot and robb messaging me.

Bef has to be scum so like i'm not worried about a mislynch rn

[skitter30]

And i'm fine with that outcome @tchill