Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Tchill13]

i thought it was you @tchill since everyone else posted during that fracas

was wondering why you thought it was me.

[Tchill13]

i don't want to lose to scum!garmr because he was taken out of the lynch pool for no good reason

explain why theyd risk the scenario of wake being conftown d2 and scum losing half their scum team. go on.

If Garmr is Bp or mafia have a doc they aren’t worried about wake. His play has been terrible.

stop personally shading ppls play. talk shit post game. The emotions can wait until after town wins.

[Tchill13]

BEF is Scum.

He is lying and will not help Town by revealing the Conftown.

He is lying, he is anti-Toen, and must by lynched today.

this.

either scum will claim FN or nobody will.

[Tchill13]

And if we mislynch today the blame is solely on BEF and Robb for being blatantly anti-Town.

ppl ok with losing due to others play need to

get over themselves

you dont get to make that decision for me or any other townie here. Im not ok with laying down due to shitty play or i wouldnt sign up for another game on this site. shit.

[Tchill13]

He personally insulted me and is potentially game throwing while bullying people. I’ll talk as much shit as I want over his play. Confirmed town just makes it worse.

then be a bigger man and hold your tongue until post game. not fair to me or any other players here for you or anyone else to emotionally bait ppl.

[Tchill13]

you cant ask ppl to change. you can only be the change. If you cant be the change you have no room to ask others to be a bigger man if youre incapable of it.

BEF is scum. no other player kills creature over wake.

Wake is conftown and he's gonna play how he sees fit regardless of good or bad play. ppl play a lot different when they dont have to worry about showing they are town.

now scum with bef is either skit/garmr or robb.

id shoot robb personally.

if the game isnt over im more than likely voting to lynch skit.

BEF either way is indeed scum.

[Tchill13]

but seriously, this isn't getting anywhere... I'm getting voted for not announcing a conftown instead of people actually disagreeing with my skitter vote.

youre scum because creature hard sr'd you and he died over the conf town vig.

now whos the neighbor? you might as well answer because we're gonna figure it out through claiming it.

[Tchill13]

a lot of what i do is generally not seen as "great"

its ok with me.

expalin your BEF town read and the creature nk.

[Tchill13]

if you cant come up with reasons to tr players you dont sr your sr's may not be true.

if you have srs and comfortable can provide reasons for the other trs it actually backs your srs.

your sr reads do not have as much weight if you lack that ability. They seem more biased than anything else when you refuse to give reason for any other players alignments.

[Tchill13]

Hectic also could have been hinting at a role in that post mod deleted.

hectic flipped vt how would he have knowledge of such a thing?

[Tchill13]

If you won't help Town by revealing the FN, then this is how it goes down.

I will reveal when the time is right if the FN doesn't announce first. But again, trust me when I say it has nothing to do with my skitter vote. Can we focus on actual scum hunting right now?

The only reason I announced it is that the FN would know that there action went through.

so BEF is claiming to be the target of the FN. i thought he was claiming to be the FN. gotcha.

doesnt change anything but good to know.

[Tchill13]

idk who else lets bef shoot creature like that

this is why im ok with killing you last. you could have made an honest mistake but i doubt it.

[Tchill13]

@mod can a traitor be within guidelines of a normal setup?

[Tchill13]

you handing out literally every explanation is inherently scummy from my pov but ik youre just doing your hw.

once again, i stand by my garmr read and its pretty much auto win from my perspective.

WIFOM that produces one conftown isnt worth risking what would practically be an auto loss for scum.

[Tchill13]

The fact that somebody is being scum read for not outing who the fn is, has to be the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a while.

which is why i asked you to explain the creature nk and all you could say is wifom.

[Tchill13]

ive already got scum dead to rights.

scums just mad im conftowning garmr when i mechanically cant. makes the game impossible for scum if garmr is indeed town. which he is. because scum cant be that stupid and risk an auto lose scenario.

[Tchill13]

lets see if bef gives us the FN then.

and if its you im going to laugh. hard.

[Tchill13]

Can’t explain the kill cause obviously mafia is wifoming by not killing wake

wheres the other reason?

[Tchill13]

ive already got scum dead to rights.

scums just mad im conftowning garmr when i mechanically cant. makes the game impossible for scum if garmr is indeed town. which he is. because scum cant be that stupid and risk an auto lose scenario.

i mean they also thought killing creature last night was a good idea so

in normals can scum complete an action and do the nk?

[Tchill13]

Can’t explain the kill cause obviously mafia is wifoming by not killing wake

wheres the other reason?

I’ve given two others.

cool.

[Tchill13]

well wake you know where i stand now. im gonna have a hard time changing my mind on garmr regardless. 2 scum have to be strong enough to aloow an ungated town vig.

traitor doesnt vibe with that.

[Tchill13]

i think bef is groupscum and that there's a traitor, possibly garmr

that would explain waht's going on the best, i think

this is the kinda thing that makes me think youre actually scum lol.

traitor on a mafia team would be seen as something that provides less strength wouldnt it?

[Tchill13]

yeah but who else lets bef shoot creature

ppl arent perfect. it seemed like a good idea letting the vig off one townie while killing a townie that was hard pushing scum.

robb was tr'd by creature and so were you and that'd provide some nice wifom.

one of you or robb messed up.

[Tchill13]

nah i need to talk to him anyway.

BEF will be lynched.

Robb nk'd.

the ONLY way garmr is scum is if BOTH scum are BP.

if one is RB i see no need for BP's.

if neither are RB i can see for setup both being bp.

if one is rb and garmr is scum then wake just gets RB'd.

an ungated vig with 2 scum BPs means the vig is a huge neg utility to town.

ao we need to know what towns working with to clear this possibility.

IM VT. idc whos next. were mass claiming.

this literally leads to a game solve im pretty sure.

[Tchill13]

no, i knew he'd do that.

let garmr and bef claim.

then robb will be essentially claiming the Friendly neighbor role once nobody else claims it.

which means if town loses because bef and robb is scum he will be game throwing and as hypocritical as it's ever gonna get.

in due time, skitter. lol.

[Tchill13]

because bef and robb are town.

[Tchill13]

skit/robb

do you agree with my assessment on the seteup spec?

[Tchill13]

garmr claim your role.

[Tchill13]

tchill vt
skit vt
wake vig

BEF ???
garmr ???

rob Wont claim

[Tchill13]

tchill vt
skit vt
wake vig

BEF ???
garmr ???

rob Wont claim

Wait that doesn't make sense. A townie is lying

Because the protective/Friendly neighbor hasn't been claims. Unless one town is lying/and or it's a hybrid role.

I don't understand my head hurts I'm going back to sleep. Hopefully it sorts itself out when I wake up again.

what is garmr claiming to be?

[Tchill13]

Tchill - accuses me of game throwing.

i said you would be if you refused to claim after everyone else did and the friendly neighborizer had not been claimed.

youre not game throwing yet.

[Tchill13]

can we agree that garmr is the least likely to be scum out of all of us?

[Tchill13]

oh garmr is a macho.

garmr- macho
tchill- vt
skitter- vt
wake-vig

BEF-???
Robb-???

as of this moment a protective doesnt have to be in the game. the macho mod could be thrown in there to fool town.

if thats the case then theres no way scum have 2 BPs.

which means scum prob has a RB

which means garmr is prob town due to the fact that scum would rb wake if garmr were scum.

[Tchill13]

i, like the bigger man, will save my comments for post game when it comes to things not directly related to the game.

[Tchill13]

Wake - personally insults me
Skitter - refused to explain reads
Garmr - ignores me cause I didn’t like his push on Tchill
Tchill - accuses me of game throwing.

Go to heck all of you.

bef isnt on the list lol.

[Tchill13]

as one of the only players that actually took up for you, ok lol.

"I am really trying to change my play. I don't want to be site banned or blacklisted anymore. I ask you please give me another chance. if I have insulted you in the past, I am so sorry and I just hope you give me a chance. If not though I completely understand. Also cursing at players in a game is now being enforced more heavily than in the past. Please choose your words wisely."

[Tchill13]

ok robb. you play your way and ill play mine. its fine.

pedit: he hasnt hardly done anything and the fault in the logic of that is a better post game discussion.

[Tchill13]

Tchill/garmr could have been scum theater. Having see so much tvt already. Fabricating some would be smart

you realize i pointed out the flaw in keeping wake alive as scum.

then i pointed out the ungated vig being strong for town in setup spec. eliminating the traitor talk.

[Tchill13]

Nobody has one for bef.

what are you talking about

CREATURE WAS HARD SR'ING THIS PLAYER

bef HAS DONE NO SCUM HUNTING, WHICH YOU KEEP POINTING OUT OF OTHER PLAYERS.

[Tchill13]

[quote="In post 1533, Robbnva"]So scum is skitter/Tchill/garmr. If three were possible then the game is solved with this list.[/quotif 3 were possible then the game would not be solved. it would BE OVER

[Tchill13]

Simplest answer. Wake wasn’t killed cause mafia wasn’t afraid of being shot.

Wake is lying though. Im willing to bet the farm on him not being unlimited vig. That would not pass review.

Skitter seemed most upset at that fact btw.

1) this lines up with garmr town.

2) there is absolutely no credible evidence to suggest such a thing.

3) skitter and you both have handled this poorly. one is town, the other is scum with BEF.

4) wake will shoot one of you, bef will be lynched and ill be voting with garmr or wake if there is a next day phase given of the 3 of us im the least likely to be nk'd.

[Tchill13]

skitter is giving me bad gut vibes due to reactions, garmr push etc...

robb is just being robb. Plenty of reason for him to be scum.

@wake: gun to my head its BEF/Robb. if im wrong its BEF/skitter.

the distinction is robb's defense of BEF. scum cant afford their buddy to be lynched or vigged or its auto lose.

[Tchill13]

unless robb is the friendly neighbor then BEF is lying. If this were the case id be open to lynching garmr.

Robb, are you the friendly neighbor?

[Tchill13]

so you know what my role is

whats your role robb.

[Tchill13]

you're objectively wrong on clearing garmr, sorry

technically you are correct. Im well aware i cant definitively clear garmr.

when it comes to the odds of the situation i pretty much can.

and im 100 percent ok with losing in special circumstances where everything falls right for scum, as i did to you skitter.

my reads will be correct more than theyre wrong (in terms of statistical reads) because its less likely everything falls perfect for scum in a game by game basis.

[Tchill13]

if town loses its always someone elses fault. no matter what.

[Tchill13]

i don't tr garmr tho

ok. lets have a discussion. i belive you think the scum team is bef/garmr because garmr is the only player capable of being ok with the nk. is that correct?

[Tchill13]

so garmr is scum based on play? what in particular sticks out to you? lack of involvement?

[Tchill13]

well it's more that i tr robb and you and odn't tr him

ok this is good and understandable.

do you understand that robb has implied he's the neighborizer? "you know what i am". thats enough for me.

do you believe town has an ungated vig and a friendly neighborizer?

not only a role that could win the game in one day phase but also a role that could have 2 conf townies in day 2.

does that sound realistic against a 2 man scum team?

or does the setup of an ungated vig and a modifier that implies a doc while there is none seem more realistic in terms of balance?

[Tchill13]

You demanded the mass claim and

everyone has claimed but me and bef so you know what my role is

and you’re still pushing the agenda that i’m scum?

[Tchill13]

if you're of the mind bef is scum then youre of the mind robb is scum.

[Tchill13]

there is no world where you believe BEF is lying about the night action but you also believe that robb is being truthful in his acknowledgement of what his role is.

[Tchill13]

fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

well... i was under the impression this was the case. i thought this was what was claimed. damn it.

[Tchill13]

like i don't know enough of the setup to feel confident basing analysis off of it rn

of course massclaim would help but you know

pedit well if he's fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

Oh Jeeez. I’m sorry. Now you have to scum hunt. Boo hoo

I am really trying to change my play. I don't want to be site banned or blacklisted anymore. I ask you please give me another chance. if I have insulted you in the past, I am so sorry and I just hope you give me a chance. If not though I completely understand. Also cursing at players in a game is now being enforced more heavily than in the past. Please choose your words wisely.

such poor etiquette for someone who demands that of others. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[Tchill13]

fn he isn't loyal so there's that, i guess

well... i was under the impression this was the case. i thought this was what was claimed. damn it.

fn doesn't inherently have a loyal modifier attached to it, if that's what you're thinking

rob just said something along the lines of 'i can be scum and bef can be town' which rules out the possibility of a loyal modifier

so BEF should tell wake who targeted him.

we then lynch bef, if he flips town wake has a 1 in 3 shot in shooting scum (he's gonna say robb was it so itd be me/skit/garmr)

thats not good enough odds for my liking.

[Tchill13]

basically im ok with betting the game on garmr not being scum with a BP modifier. Because that is the only scenario where scum would allow wake to live and proceed with his action. if scum have an RB scum just RB wake.

[Tchill13]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

im usually extremely inconsistent and if youve made statements similar but im completely igonring youre posts...

then im not seeing the statements. so i cant push you for those statements.

So you're just not reading my posts then?
(After the whole 'skitter is gud' thing?)

I've also given reads on bef and rabid on the previous page.
Hectic gut town, robb is scummy

Skitter is town.

it's really annoying, and scummy when a player says players are scummy without explaining why even when asked. It is also annoying when a player doesn't explain why they are town reading people and when shown really damning evidence to counter the town read and is asked to comment on it, ignores it completlt.

I have revised my lynch list to rabid/skitter/hectic/wake in that order. I actually think skitter may move ahead at some point because I don't see myself agreeing with much of anything she has said this entire game and the fact that she blatantly ignores important questions and can't be bothered to actually explain why she has the reads she has, leans super scummy.

I'm starting to doubt my skitter TR. This feels right in a weird way. It's like I don't want to get caught up in conf bias by SRing but I never really thought about it could go the other way with TRing skitter.

I do think tchill vs garmr could be TvT tbh. tchill seems pretty confident in his meta read and his push feels real and I don't think scum!tchill would make a big push on town!garmr this early in the game.

That being said, I don't think garmr is scum, he just seems indifferent imo.

if you think i'm scum here you must think i'm bad at it so gtfo

this comment comes specifcally with robb being my scum mate in mind.

this is just inaccurate. Ive pushed garmr and pressured/ vote hopped. I cant help if ppl refuse to pressure with me.

I guess it can't hurt. I'm not getting town vibes, not getting any really vibes from this slot. But since you have all but begged for help on this wagon, I'll oblige.

VOTE: Garmr

GEEZ

Now I just want to lynch both tchill and garmr just to get them to stop. This feels like something personal and has nothing to do with this game.

@Garmr
Are you just OMGUSing tchill for his vote or are you still mad about another game?

Besides tchill who else do you find scummy?

UNVOTE:

Since this was a L-2 and now I am totally lost on both slots. I think it could still could be TvT but these 2 have something to work out that doesn't feel related to this particular game.

@tchill


I'm justgoing to stick with robb at least he hates everyone the same and besides he is putting in the most work.

VOTE: skitter

VOTE: Menalque

I don't really trust the 2 on the Bob wagon right now and my TRs are on this slot, so I'll move my vote back there.

and after this he claims have recieved robbs message n1.

[Tchill13]

bef's approach to not wanting to out the neighborizer makes perfect sense given its robb. robb would demand he not say a word.

[Tchill13]

the fact that the FN wasnt loyal does have an impact. i thought it was a schtick to clear BEF. a poor one, but still.

[Tchill13]

Ok cool

If i'm right on the tchill tr then it's just bef/garmr

I have no moral or ethical qualms with counting cards, if you're good enough to get an advantage that way than abuse it

skitter has to be scum here. this garmr push is ridiculous.

robb i can see playing this way as either alignment as he tends to lean into his town play as scum but he actually claimed here, which i doubt he'd do as scum.

there is no wifom worth garmr being risked.

both scum cant be bp, as the game would be too scum sided given the ungated vig who can only kill town.

so if there is a bp there's a 50 percent chance itd be on garmr of the 2 scum.

if they had a RB scum would RB given garmr is scum.

so not only is it unlikely scum allow garmr to be risked, on top of that its 50/50 he's the scum with the BP.

[Tchill13]

thats fine.

lynch bef shoot rob.

[Tchill13]

i think you're putting too much stock in that analysis

you realize from my pov scum will do anything necessary to provide a way to discredit garmr as town?

[Tchill13]

if we mislynch we cant afford to let robb self clear.

in the case bef is scum id like bef lynched, you shot and robb messaging me.

[Tchill13]

sincere apologies to the mod for having to deal with this. i think you've done well.

[Tchill13]

who are you shooting?

[Tchill13]

robb hasnt agreed to send the message to me.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Bright Eyed Fish

[Tchill13]

not sure why robb was shot there.

im inclined to vote skitter here.

who got the friendly neighbor message?

wasnt me.

[Tchill13]

so town had an ungated vig and a friendly neighbor.

one of the mafia was just a plain goon.

If the remaining scum is not BP i will actually consider never playing here again.

this would mean that, if garmr is scum, then he is bp.

i do not understand why wake shot robb and not skitter. had robb messaged me and skit shot dead the game would be solved.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Bob
My honorary mason buddy.

A mason breadcrumb to fall back on with your scumbudddy, Bob? I see right through you.
Scumlean.

I greet him as my mason buddy every game since he was a mason buddy just like I do with fire bringer ;/.

Btw are you Joking with all those scum leans or should I just write you off in my daft list. Since I don't see scum coming in with that entrance or basically cutting out my interrogation.

EBWOP

My vote is on wake because this was going to be my excuse if I have trouble getting engaged on D1.

So do you find it scummy or is this a reason to rvs???

RVS for now. Even though the idea of pre-determined lurking is yucky.

I like to use VCA for my reads and VCA is useless until we get a flip so my D1s are also always yucky...

It's scummy as fuck. Why reason it as a RVS? So that you look better when he flips town?
Scumlean.

This is what I was getting at with bright eyed fish but I didn't want him to be aware I was scum reading him for it. I wanted him

Town lean

VOTE: Bright eyed fish

Town

garmr

Null-town

hectic
Robbnva

Scum-lean

Bright eyed fish

Rest null.

Note to self
Bright eyed and wake aren't scum together.

I also don't like rabids push on robb it seemed kinda forced. But what makes me conflicted is his moves make more sense if Bright is a mislynch than a actual scum mate. The white knighting of fish and the chainsaw on robb. It's something I would do to a mislynch as scum. But I also acknowledge there are those on the site that would be protective of their scum mate. So I guess scum lean.

Tchill... I was going to push a entire case on him unvoting bright eyed fish with out much warning or reasoning but I realised Bob pushed fish to L-1. But what ercs me is voting wake while pushing that both me and hectic are scum partners. While at the same time his posts don't line up. Chucks mud on Rabid then calls him townish. His stances don't really seem hard either. Something seems different this game compared to my previous games the only thing similar is my scum read on him. This time I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.

While bright eyeds posting didn't really change my view on him. Rabid white knighting him, Tchill Scum reading two people on Brights wagons as if he knows Brights flipping town. I am going to chuck him into Null town because of other peoples reactions around him.



Confirmed Town
garmr

town
hectic
Robbnva

Null town.
Bright eyed fish



Scum
Rabid
Tchill

Even through both are on my scum list I don't feel they are both scum togther.

VOTE: T-chill

garmr

town
hectic
Robbnva
Skitter
Bright eyed fish



Scum
Bob
Tchill

I know both Bob and Tchill scum read me but one has to be scum and the other is probably town. I don't think both scum would jump on me but I feel one is at least scum.

explain the progression on BEF

[Tchill13]

Wake if bob flips town shoot me I don't want to deal with people tomorrow. If he flips scum shoot Tchill for me because I will of proven to be one of the most competent scum hunters here..

hmm...

[Tchill13]

So scum have a doctor maybe ...?

Why would scum have a doctor.

Town Macho I don't have any special abilities or night actions just a macho modifier.

tchill vt
skit vt
wake vig

BEF ???
garmr ???

rob Wont claim

Wait that doesn't make sense. A townie is lying

Because the protective

/Friendly neighbor hasn't been claims. Unless one town is lying/and or it's a hybrid role.

I don't understand my head hurts I'm going back to sleep. Hopefully it sorts itself out when I wake up again.

this maybe what gets me to vote garmr.

[Tchill13]

Hectic's 344 feels an awful lot like coaching to me...

why would that be happening here and not in the scum pt?

bef is still townie

@Skitter

Care to give us a shotgun read on everyone?

robb - scummy
tchill - probably townie but i disagree with a lot of what he's saying
wake - idk / null
hectic - townie (?)
rabid - i think i was townreading him earlier but i'm not really anymore. now he's just null
garmr - townier than null
bef - townie
bob - null/no read

i understand that i have too many townreads; the ones i'm least certain of are garmr and hectic

Bef your progression and vote on me are awful

Scummy rvs vote

Bef's entrance was townie, have no opiniom on tchill's

EBWOP

My vote is on wake because this was going to be my excuse if I have trouble getting engaged on D1.

i think this is minorly townie

wrt bob's rvs vote, i think that popping in and making a vague joke is scum-indicative, and that scum are more likely to make such rvs posts than townies are

Ok maybr tchill is town

We should probably push bef now

I think we should probably be lynching bef today

[Tchill13]

have you? because ive made it very obvious skit would be who id be voting.

no im not.

[Tchill13]

fuck me.

im gonna actually have to think about this.

the other scum practically has to be bp so my shit clearing garmr doesnt hold. it is the only reason i havent already voted.

[Tchill13]

start explaining shit garmr.

[Tchill13]

Official Vote Count 1.17

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

bob3141:(

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skitter30 Menalque Garmr creature
Tchill13:(0)
Garmr:(1) bob3141
Robbnva:(0)
Wake88:(0)
creature(1) Tchill13
skitter30:(0)
Menalque:(L2)BrightEyedFish Wake88: Robbnva
BrightEyedFish:(0)

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thank goodness garmr is on the d1 lynch... i thought it was just skitter lol.

that makes voting garmr easier.

[Tchill13]

skitter, based off my experience, is too good to kill creature there.

the last scum has to be bp, so garmr being in the kill pool doesnt clear him.

skitter has played the end of mylo perfectly imo. everything made sense. the garmr push makes sense based on play.

skitters change of read on me made since given the reasoning and timing.

there are a few posts from garmr that give me pause (both players vied to be the vig kill)

neither had any clear progression on BEF. Skitter TR'd them until it was obvious they'd die.

Garmr hasnt done a thing other than get butt hurt and scream at me.

then he opens this day phase apparently SR'ing me again...

im fully considering and leaning towards voting garmr.

[Tchill13]

skitter, based off my experience, is too good to kill creature there.

the last scum has to be bp, so garmr being in the kill pool doesnt clear him.

skitter has played the end of mylo perfectly imo. everything made sense. the garmr push makes sense based on play.

skitters change of read on me made since given the reasoning and timing.

there are a few posts from garmr that give me pause (both players vied to be the vig kill)

neither had any clear progression on BEF. Skitter TR'd them until it was obvious they'd die.

Garmr hasnt done a thing other than get butt hurt and scream at me.

then he opens this day phase apparently SR'ing me again...

im fully considering and leaning towards voting garmr.

[Tchill13]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

im usually extremely inconsistent and if youve made statements similar but im completely igonring youre posts...

then im not seeing the statements. so i cant push you for those statements.

So you're just not reading my posts then?
(After the whole 'skitter is gud' thing?)

I've also given reads on bef and rabid on the previous page.
Hectic gut town, robb is scummy

Skitter is town.

it's really annoying, and scummy when a player says players are scummy without explaining why even when asked. It is also annoying when a player doesn't explain why they are town reading people and when shown really damning evidence to counter the town read and is asked to comment on it, ignores it completlt.

I have revised my lynch list to rabid/skitter/hectic/wake in that order. I actually think skitter may move ahead at some point because I don't see myself agreeing with much of anything she has said this entire game and the fact that she blatantly ignores important questions and can't be bothered to actually explain why she has the reads she has, leans super scummy.

I'm starting to doubt my skitter TR. This feels right in a weird way. It's like I don't want to get caught up in conf bias by SRing but I never really thought about it could go the other way with TRing skitter.

@Skitter

Care to give us a shotgun read on everyone?

GEEZ

Now I just want to lynch both tchill and garmr just to get them to stop. This feels like something personal and has nothing to do with this game.

@Garmr
Are you just OMGUSing tchill for his vote or are you still mad about another game?

Besides tchill who else do you find scummy?

UNVOTE:

Since this was a L-2 and now I am totally lost on both slots. I think it could still could be TvT but these 2 have something to work out that doesn't feel related to this particular game.

@tchill


I'm justgoing to stick with robb at least he hates everyone the same and besides he is putting in the most work.

VOTE: skitter

I really need BEF to come in and contribute more.

I don't want him getting mislynched for not being active.

TAADAA, ask and you shall receive...

Sorry. Been on daddy duty since my kids kindergarten is closed today and tomorrow but I'll post when I can.

The rational and statistically sound option is to lynch from the bob wagon. If that wagon was all town then we are doomed anyways.
Let's start at the beginning.

VOTE: skitter

bef do you not understand that if we mislynch and wake shoots town tonight (hey maybe even your fn) it doesn't matter whether or not the fn announces himself to someone else, since the game will just be over

and isn't it better for the fn to conftown himself to everyone now instead of to just one other person tonight?

Well then maybe wake should holster tonight.

i mean i asked you about y our vote on me but you ignored me so

I'm working my way through the bob wagon. You were the first stop and I think i don't need to go any further atm.

Good. Gooood.

ALL players have had a chance to post, now.

Assuming Scum have Day Talk, they did not quickhammer on BEF for game.

SO, BEF is Scum. Scum would not wait to win the game when they could have quickhammered as I slept.
.

Yeah but I'm sure one scum (skitter) was already on my wagon.

I confirm Rob as the FN.

I'm VT. Skitter claim has to be bogus don't care about the other scum right now (probably garmr or tchill)... can't focus. Every game I'm in I eventually get mislynched. I guess it just my style and other town have no problem seeing me go. and I really don't get it. Blah Blah Blah lynchbait, blah blah blah for mechanical reasons it just gets frustrating. I get this is a game of manipulation but people always get tunneled on me and just will kill me out of spite.
I've really got to evaluate how to approach a game.

I'm VT and Rob is FN. That's all the info I have.

robb hasnt agreed to send the message to me.

All players have posted and Scum didn't quickhammer.

You do realize you can say this same thing about skitter.

I don't know what else you want from me. I was wanting to scum hunt but you wouldn't let the FN thing sit aside long enough for me to talk about anything else and I couldn't really get invested in it.

I still think we HAVE to lynch from the bob wagon.

in fact you KNOW that town!rob is on the skitter slot and your biggest TRs skitter and tchill are sitting on me? Think about that...

well i dont believe that BEF plays his scum partner like this.

[Tchill13]

I personally think BEF is the best lynch today

Garmr is probably the other scum

He isn't doing anything of importance

this is nice.

[Tchill13]

I do think tchill vs garmr could be TvT tbh

. tchill seems pretty confident in his meta read and his push feels real and I don't think scum!tchill would make a big push on town!garmr this early in the game.

That being said, I don't think garmr is scum, he just seems indifferent imo.

literally only thing i seen bef say about garmr.

meanwhile BEF has that long drawn out change of Town! skitter to Scum! skitter.

[Tchill13]

lol.

freaking out much?

[Tchill13]

im gonna go get a drink to show skitter im town.

then im gonna tell you why you're scum with one quote.

[Tchill13]

you realise that with this setup town had the ability to win this game in one day phase?

and if you are an RB instead of a BP it'd be even more ridiculous given you may never know who the vig or FN is.

you maybe BP RB, to cause confusion of the FN by chance.

but if you do not have the BP modifier I really do think this is the most inexcusable joke of a setup that could ever have been made.

[Tchill13]

well... i'll give you two quotes, but this really could just be one.

[Tchill13]

GEEZ

Now I just want to lynch both tchill and garmr just to get them to stop. This feels like something personal and has nothing to do with this game.

@Garmr
Are you just OMGUSing tchill for his vote or are you still mad about another game?

Besides tchill who else do you find scummy?

UNVOTE:

Since this was a L-2 and now I am totally lost on both slots. I think it could still could be TvT but these 2 have something to work out that doesn't feel related to this particular game.

@tchill


I'm justgoing to stick with robb at least he hates everyone the same and besides he is putting in the most work.

VOTE: skitter

zero, no reason other than to hop on robb's rage in hopes skitter gets lynched.

if you're going to bus surely you'd at least find a decent reason to do so given that busing with no reason defeats the purpose.

[Tchill13]

I really need BEF to come in and contribute more.

I don't want him getting mislynched for not being active.

TAADAA, ask and you shall receive...

Sorry. Been on daddy duty since my kids kindergarten is closed today and tomorrow but I'll post when I can.

The rational and statistically sound option is to lynch from the bob wagon. If that wagon was all town then we are doomed anyways.

Let's start at the beginning.

VOTE: skitter

the only ppl left alive on the bob wagon are: Skitter and Garmr.

BEF could have made this same EXACT statement and voted Garmr.

this is not a busing statement. This is a statement that wants to lead to a town flip followed by "guess the wagon was all town". Thats something actual town would say, not scum. surely thats not a bus.

to make this statement as scum and then push a lynch that leads to a scum flip on your partner

??? No idea why you'd do that as scum. Especially when you're the 2nd vote there.

VOTE: garmr

I hope someone that allowed this setup is here post game so i can understand how this got through. If the last scum doesnt have a bp modifier then i'll know the "Balance Gods" were full of shit like i always thought they were.

Robb's rage and words were genuine given he was town and hurtful as someone who bends over backwards to take up for him and honestly enjoys his company in games, regardless of his style. I will not be playing with him going forward. When you make alts please avoid my games.

Cyrus you're 2nd game will be easier to mod lol. I think you did a great job given the scenario.

GGs.

[Tchill13]

robb.

skitt is saying it could be tchill/robb

youre saying its rabid/skitter

rabid is dead locked on me.

town HAVE TO STOP FINDING SCUM IN 6 ACTIVE PLAYERS OPPOSED TO FINDING SCUM IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLAYER LISTS.

what are the mathematical odds 1/3rd of the game isnt posting much at all and you've found the entire scum team without even checking in with that portion of the game?

BEF and Garmr were not of the 6 active players.

[Tchill13]

oh my garmr...

you're the first person ive ran into that i think is actually capable of playing this bad as scum.

you have no plan. You're really just making noise and pointing and throwing shit at the wall.

you're not being super egotistical like you were as town. it seemed very faked when you tried to tap into it earlier.

you're using buzzwords such as oppurtinistic/flailing to accuse the player your pushing when you're kinda doing the same thing...

I'm not moving off garmr. this isnt what i'd expect from town garmr. his sense doesn't come from ego, it comes from nothing. he's taking a tiny event of me voting wake and trying to get me lynched on it because you cant "sort" if you vote a lurker which is false.

to pressure a lurker someone has to be the 1st vote. usually ppl refuse to be the first early votes. If that never happens you'll never get a read there.

I moved off wake rather quickly. So was I faking trying to sort wake or did I want to sort others? which is it garmr.

makes sense why garmr threw a tantrum now.

[Tchill13]

It was a bold move to not kill wake when he said he was 50/50 on shooting you

yeah, what the hell.

[Tchill13]

Good job tchill

(when you make the right call because scum! garmr had to be bp and he indeed was not bp)

[Tchill13]

You did cross a line so please stay away from me.

its my pleasure robb. tired of sticking my neck out for you. good luck in all future endeavors.

Keep your alts out of my games.

[Tchill13]

Like i said, i didnt think that was a good reason to clear him

I mean you always had a point.

who tf risks practically auto losing as scum n1?

Garmr does. So yeah.

Had it not been for that whole situation you get my tr there practically automatically.

[Tchill13]

I'll give the win to Scum that played like skitter over scum that played like garmr every time though.

im happy with my play this game. Did what it was designed to do. Had called garmr and BEF scum somewhat early.

Had rabid as town. Accurately sized up garmrs scum capabilities. (no ill intent or personal jab there)

I think skitter played well. Wake handled his role about as great as anyone could have. Glad he shot robb regardless of the situation. Loose cannon. Probably the best move.

[Tchill13]

robb.

skitt is saying it could be tchill/robb

youre saying its rabid/skitter

rabid is dead locked on me.

town HAVE TO STOP FINDING SCUM IN 6 ACTIVE PLAYERS OPPOSED TO FINDING SCUM IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLAYER LISTS.

what are the mathematical odds 1/3rd of the game isnt posting much at all and you've found the entire scum team without even checking in with that portion of the game?

BEF and Garmr were not of the 6 active players.

I will never stop hammering this point home.