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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:18 am

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In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:20 am

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In post 193, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 191, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not above average vs not above average

If more than 1/10 of your townreads are scum your townreads are worthless
That is clearly not the case with me, thankfully.
you literally just said that it was
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:20 am

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In post 198, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh my god

You changed your mind later in the game sure but I went war mode with SS on D1 and you hard defended him and I gave up on the game
I correctly solved the game by correctly identifying scum!GL then later figuring out that SS was his obvious buddy and yes, your early reads definitely helped with that. I always give credit where credit is due.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:21 am

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dude i have this really cool strat that will give me a 75% read accuracy rate
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:21 am

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i want a wikipedia page w/ common mafia fallacies

i'd have it full in no time
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:22 am

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In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:22 am

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Don't we have a wiki page full of them?

Edit: Category: Logical Fallacies
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:23 am

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In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
"town read rate higher than scum read rate"
"town read rate higher than average"
"town read rate really high!"
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:23 am

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In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:24 am

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In post 207, Enter wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
"town read rate higher than scum read rate"
"town read rate higher than average"
"town read rate really high!"
Yeah, that happens to be true, your point?
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
~CheekyTeeky
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
~Taly
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:25 am

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because more townies than scum
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:25 am

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In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
I think the fallacy is that you know you identify town correctly more often than scum, and you suppose that means your town reads rate is better than your scum reads rate. The error is that there are more town than scum in a game, so your higher correct town reads rate is not statistically significant.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:28 am

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In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
So is a random number generator.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:29 am

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In post 212, Enter wrote:
In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
So is a random number generator.
random number generator is kinda bad no

better just to mark the entire plist as town
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:29 am

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So is a player that calls everyone town all game.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:30 am

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In post 213, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 212, Enter wrote:
In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
So is a random number generator.
random number generator is kinda bad no

better just to mark the entire plist as town
RNG will still be right on town more than scum, but yeah marking entire list as town is better, that's what I meant, thanks.
In post 214, Enter wrote:So is a player that calls everyone town all game.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:32 am

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In post 211, Ircher wrote:
In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
I think the fallacy is that you know you identify town correctly more often than scum, and you suppose that means your town reads rate is better than your scum reads rate. The error is that there are more town than scum in a game, so your higher correct town reads rate is not statistically significant.
yeah maybe that thinking is a little off but there are certain types of reads that are better y'know. Like I have really weak reads day 1 but I am a lategame carry, in LyLo my reads are 50% accurate even though scum are only about 22% of the playerlist!
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:33 am

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In post 216, popsofctown wrote:
In post 211, Ircher wrote:
In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
I think the fallacy is that you know you identify town correctly more often than scum, and you suppose that means your town reads rate is better than your scum reads rate. The error is that there are more town than scum in a game, so your higher correct town reads rate is not statistically significant.
yeah maybe that thinking is a little off but there are certain types of reads that are better y'know. Like I have really weak reads day 1 but I am a lategame carry, in LyLo my reads are 50% accurate even though scum are only about 22% of the playerlist!
the famous "im better lategame"
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:33 am

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In post 211, Ircher wrote:
In post 208, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 205, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 200, Enter wrote:
In post 188, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No. My townread accuracy rate is actually pretty high - higher than average in fact. That’s why I tend to prefer townblocking to scumhunting early game.
an orphan dies every time someone uses this fallacy
What “fallacy”?
You think townblocking can’t be a valuable tool? Why not? I’m far better at correctly identifying town than scum, especially in early game.
I think the fallacy is that you know you identify town correctly more often than scum, and you suppose that means your town reads rate is better than your scum reads rate. The error is that there are more town than scum in a game, so your higher correct town reads rate is not statistically significant.
Oh okay, yeah that makes sense. However it still doesn’t change the fact that I’m more often than not right and I’m actually not terrible at catching scum either like in Newsroom and The Room Odds have shown, I would probably catch a lot more if I trusted my initial reads more often/allowed myself to be influenced less by others and doubt myself. For example, in SC 1, I scumlocked tw, pretty much right out of the gate for his really suspicious push on me but then he pocketed me D2 and I ignored my initial strong sr on him.
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:38 am

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Just FTR the times I'm criticizing ND for aren't the same as saying she's always bad or is bad in general, just that conventional wisdom on 'townreads' is wrong
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:38 am

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townread meta is toxic
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:50 am

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Not toxic but definitely bad for town winrates
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:50 am

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But scumreading pisses off people, so that's toxic too
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:51 am

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In post 219, RadiantCowbells wrote:Just FTR the times I'm criticizing ND for aren't the same as saying she's always bad or is bad in general, just that conventional wisdom on 'townreads' is wrong
I don’t make my reads by using conventional wisdom, that’s why they tend to be in general, better than average.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:52 am

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In post 222, Ramcius wrote:But scumreading pisses off people, so that's toxic too
Mafia is toxic. :lol:
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~the worst
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Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl
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Nancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.
~Taly
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