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[Gamma Emerald]

No i mean more why you think i have scum equity

You haven’t really felt solvy, would maybe expect more of that
Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

Also, for the last time we’re not lynching Dunnstral today

[Sujimichi]

Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

I will support this statement. I felt the same upon quick read through.

[skitter30]

@skitter30 and UnaBombaH

: You both had a strong suspicion that Flavor Leaf's initial claim was not true prior to their being any reason to think so. Why is this?

He has a history of fake-claiming as both alignments

Incidentally i think the claim might be true, i just dont think he's town

[skitter30]

No i mean more why you think i have scum equity

You haven’t really felt solvy, would maybe expect more of that
Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

Also, for the last time we’re not lynching Dunnstral today

Y not dunn?

[skitter30]

Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

I will support this statement. I felt the same upon quick read through.

And huh

[AaronFrost]

VOTE COUNT 1.14

tictac [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf [3]:

UnaBombaH, tictac, MariaR

skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

MariaR [1]:

Garmr

Dunnstral [2]:

Saudade, skitter30

Sujimichi [1]:

Flavor Leaf

UnaBombaH [1]:

Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald [0]:

Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [4]:

Wake88, january, Skellen, Sujimichi

With 13 in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-21 22:10:00)

Notes

- skitter30 is regularly V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays
- Sujimichi is the new Non lmh

[Gamma Emerald]

No i mean more why you think i have scum equity

You haven’t really felt solvy, would maybe expect more of that
Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

Also, for the last time we’re not lynching Dunnstral today

Y not dunn?

Haven’t seen practically any reason why, and Saudade has just been dully rambling along about wanting it

[skitter30]

He's interacting with the thread weirdly, and being like ~at the edges~ without contributing anything meaningful

Or, in your parlance, he isnt being solvey

[Sujimichi]

Plus you feel somewhat linked to TikTok

I will support this statement. I felt the same upon quick read through.

And huh

It is not a strong feeling, or I would push it further. It came about after tactic posted one of their long posts for which you seemed to think was a basis for them being scum read, and you provided feedback for them to start posting in shorter posts to get their points across (778), which they then began doing. Without day talk in this game, it came across as advice to a partner. In addition, you did not get the tictac wagon (547) despite them being fairly far down in your town read confidence. One would assume a weak town read means that there are reasons for them to come across as Mafia to others and become the subject of the wagon.

As I said, it is not a strong feeling, but I felt inclined to support another person who came to the same conclusion.

[january]

Incidentally i think the claim might be true, i just dont think he's town

thought it would make more sense as the reverse? don’t think he’d be claiming his real role as maf.. probably?
the role he claimed would be completely useless for mafia wouldn’t it?

and yay a replacement who actually wants to participate lol
still no idea what Non was saying about the circle thing but i guess i’m a circle

[january]

i don’t think the thing about shorter posts was wrt to being scumread i thought it was just readability?

[Sujimichi]

i don’t think the thing about shorter posts was wrt to being scumread i thought it was just readability?

I linked directly to skitter30's post 778 in which she stated:

@tictac your posts might be received better if you like broke them into chunks and posted them separately

I don't know how to interpret "your posts might be received better" if not as "you may be less scum read." I certainly don't think it refers to the readability.

[skitter30]

I meant that i think people would complain less if they broke the posts into chunks

used to be a wallposter so i have a p good sense of how people perceive wallposts, which depends a great deal on how they are formatted

Figured i might as well share some advice from those wallposting days

[Sujimichi]

That still supports my thoughts with regard to linkage; however, as I stated, it is not strong so I don't think that spending more time debating the particulars is going to be useful currently.

[skitter30]

Can i interest you in voting dunn or garmr?

January can i interest you in voting dunn?

[Sujimichi]

I've seen your reasoning for Dunnstral, and after a quick scan, I do not disagree. What is your reasoning for Garmr?

[Gamma Emerald]

Incidentally i think the claim might be true, i just dont think he's town

thought it would make more sense as the reverse? don’t think he’d be claiming his real role as maf.. probably?
the role he claimed would be completely useless for mafia wouldn’t it?

and yay a replacement who actually wants to participate lol
still no idea what Non was saying about the circle thing but i guess i’m a circle

It could serve Mafia well but to claim it like he did kills its utility
Unless he’s a Traitor.

[january]

It could serve Mafia well but to claim it like he did kills its utility
Unless he’s a Traitor.

i can't think...
for some reason i thought as mafia he'd only be able to target mafia lol

yeah ok lets just forget about the claim its probably fake either ways

[january]

I've seen your reasoning for Dunnstral, and after a quick scan, I do not disagree. What is your reasoning for Garmr?

i ISO'd skit and she has no reasoning on Dunn
what reasoning are you talking about

from what i can tell she just went from

I dont understand the dunn wagon

to

town: maybe dunn

to

Dunn is scummy

with no explanation

@skit - i'll consider it rn but it's not a top choice so if i can idk.. actually use my brain... i might want something else?
will reread now

[Sujimichi]

I've seen your reasoning for Dunnstral, and after a quick scan, I do not disagree. What is your reasoning for Garmr?

i ISO'd skit and she has no reasoning on Dunn
what reasoning are you talking about

from what i can tell she just went from

I dont understand the dunn wagon

to

town: maybe dunn

to

Dunn is scummy

with no explanation

@skit - i'll consider it rn but it's not a top choice so if i can idk.. actually use my brain... i might want something else?
will reread now

It's on this page:

He's interacting with the thread weirdly, and being like ~at the edges~ without contributing anything meaningful

Or, in your parlance, he isnt being solvey

[january]

That still supports my thoughts with regard to linkage; however, as I stated, it is not strong so I don't think that spending more time debating the particulars is going to be useful currently.

ya thats fair
i do like the thought behind the read even if i don't agree with the read itself

[january]

oh i only ctrl+F'd for "dunn"
ty

[Skellen]

I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.

Every scenario I can think up comes from the motivation Oh not wanting to tie yourself to non and make sure people don't think about it. But why would town who have to sort people want people to forgot something that happened. I can Only think of reasons for scum so that's why she's on my list.

I can get your angle here to an extent as certain characters might react pretty harsh against Non, but why has it to be scummy? Like I can also think of reasons why town would treat Non as Maria did. Why wouldn't scum!Maria want to be tied to Non? In consequence what would it mean for the Non slot if scum!Maria does want to distance herself from him? Apparently I would assume that both are scum, so if you are going by that assumption I could get it, although then I don't see why Maria wouldn't play along with Non (who even doubled down on it before his repout). Unless Non was just trolling. Like I think any townie that ties himself to scum is rather useful for scum to take advantage of instead of pushing them away.

[Skellen]

Well, this is going to be an anti-answer in a way, but the guy has claimed something like unloyal loud compulsive miller-Vig (

no, not really specifically that...I think.

)

AS SCUM

and lived to LyLo to take the win.
His claims are always "NAI" in a way, no matter what they are.
But THE NEED he apparently felt to claim...that pinged me quite hard.
I have no idea why he would've been wary of a lynch coming his way that early in the game, especially considering his abilities as a player.
Felt like a miscalculation to me, and I think it might have something to do with how I'm still wary of Maria and Gamma too.
Assuming a scum-PT with daytalk(?) Boon might have been pushing for a gambit.

And the "pressure" I wanted to put on him early, even before the claim, is just something I think ought to be done towards players of his caliber.
If we just let them be, they can play their game their way, and then it's could get difficult for the rest of us to sort/lynch them.

The first line raises a lot of questions, but that's not the place for it.

I must admit I like your responses, they go more or less in the same direction as my reasons of distrusting him here. How do you link his need to claim up with Maria and Gamma though? Although scratch Gamma, I can probably see why you think so there, but Maria went straight against him and I felt her annoyance on FL (and Saudade) in the beginning felt kind of genuine, which I considered slightly townie (more gut though as objectively I am null on her).

[Skellen]

oh yeah i don’t like FL’s thing on una there’s nothing to warrant 100% confidence

Exactly, especially if you consider how lazy he treated that confident scumread. On one hand he is saying he puts the game victory over anything else, but on the other hand he isn't even going for Una while taking cover in the sulking corner and phrases it like "if he would go down Una is scum" like... if he doesn't go down Una isn't scum or what?