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[Wake1]

Not exactly? They’re very close in function. Loud essentially gives your target a Watcher power that only sees you, Announcing does the same but Voyeur instead

You seem like a smart guy.

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about him calling himself 'Loud' earlier in the game and then 'Announcing' later on, which tells me he either forgot his role or he's Scum and forgot himself.

And I don't like how you're "oh, he, uh"—

no

.

[Gamma Emerald]

OR he used the same logic I did??? You’re reaching, stop it.

[january]

I’m one of the, if not the, strongest scum players on site right now.

If anyone thinks any of this comes from a ScumFL, I’m just gonna laugh and accept my lynch to show how incredibly poor of a read that is.

The only reasoning someone can give here is if you’re pushing the fact “FL is scum purposefully playing scum badly to make the case he’d never play like that as scum.” which is fine. I get that. I would do something like that.

I’m not, but it’s not out of my galaxy sized scum range.

I unsubbed this game when I quit, so...if that shows you where I stand with this game.

you said this..
in the game that skitter linked...

i don't think it's really that hard to say "i'm too scummy to be scum" and that's a really lazy way to get out of a-
oh u already anticipated that i didn't read the whole post before responding

ok well forgive me if i don't particularly find that to be very convincing

[Wake1]

OR he used the same logic I did??? You’re reaching, stop it.

And what logic is that? Claiming inconsistently isn't Scummy?

Well that's neat. I didn't learn this before in Mafia school. Does this mean we can claim something early on, then change it later in game, and not look suspicious? Yeah, I didn't realize inconsistency was a Towntell.

[Wake1]

OR he used the same logic I did??? You’re reaching, stop it.

It's over when I say it's over, and I want answers from

him

.

[january]

Btw @january what’s your take on Robb’s replace out?

answered this already

i think skitt/robb's slot is probably town, mostly because of rob's replace-out and less because of skitter

I don't like this.

This is Robb we're talking about. Robb of either alignment could get mad and replace out.

Do you agree or disagree with that, and if not I want to know exactly

why

.

i don't know who robb is so "this is robb" has meaning to me
all i saw was the replace-out

and that was an extremely early-game read and i'm pretty sure i said somewhere later that i wouldn't be leaning on robb's actions to townread skitter
i independently townread skitter and i've honestly... already forgotten about robb until you brought it up again

[Gamma Emerald]

Wake please stop, you really don’t seem to get it
Yes he claimed Loud earlier, but the earlier claim WASN’T HIS FULL CLAIM. In fact I recall his wording being something like “Loud elements”, which very much includes Announcing.

[Wake1]

Btw @january what’s your take on Robb’s replace out?

answered this already

i think skitt/robb's slot is probably town, mostly because of rob's replace-out and less because of skitter

I don't like this.

This is Robb we're talking about. Robb of either alignment could get mad and replace out.

Do you agree or disagree with that, and if not I want to know exactly

why

.

i don't know who robb is so "this is robb" has meaning to me
all i saw was the replace-out

and that was an extremely early-game read and i'm pretty sure i said somewhere later that i wouldn't be leaning on robb's actions to townread skitter
i independently townread skitter and i've honestly... already forgotten about robb until you brought it up again

Robb is known for getting PO'd, lashing out, being uncooperative, and at times replacing out in anger.

I'm saying he doesn't only do that as Town. I'm saying Robb only does that as Robb.

[Wake1]

Wake please stop, you really don’t seem to get it
Yes he claimed Loud earlier, but the earlier claim WASN’T HIS FULL CLAIM. In fact I recall his wording being something like “Loud elements”, which very much includes Announcing.

So you could just replace Loud and Announcing with Simple and Complex as an example.

"Yes he claimed Simple earlier, but the earlier claim WASN’T HIS FULL CLAIM. In fact I recall his wording being something like “Simple elements”, which very much includes Complex."

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tell me why/how he forgets that though? And no, Simple and Complex don’t make sense in that context, idk wtf you’re on about here. Makes me kinda want to vote you because your logic feels like shit rn

[Wake1]

Tell me why/how he forgets that though? And no, Simple and Complex don’t make sense in that context, idk wtf you’re on about here. Makes me kinda want to vote you because your logic feels like shit rn

At first he said his modifier was Loud, then he said his modifier was Announcing. You can't be both.

That tells me he either forgot or he got tripped up on his fabrication.

[Gamma Emerald]

OR HE HAD A REASON TO DO THAT AS TOWN? Like you seem to be exclusive viewing that as scumplay, this ducking Flavor Leaf we’re talking about. You need a unique set of rules just for him.

[Wake1]

OR HE HAD A REASON TO DO THAT AS TOWN? Like you seem to be exclusive viewing that as scumplay, this ducking Flavor Leaf we’re talking about. You need a unique set of rules just for him.

I don't know what his meta is like, but I do know that when you're Scumhunting you're supposed to look for inconsistencies.

Him claiming one modifier and then later claiming the opposite modifier to me looks inconsistent.

[january]

he's most likely fakeclaiming either way so this argument seems pretty useless tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, Flavor fakeclaims a lot as both alignments. He has self-admitted this in this game I believe. So tell me how the hell you miss that?

[january]

wake - can you explain why you scumread me
if it's for the robb thing i'm pretty sure
1) i just explained why i thought that way
and 2) a lot of people expressed a similar thought

is there something else

[Gamma Emerald]

And like to back to your example, if he’d flipped between Simple and Complex (or Loyal and Disloyal for that matter), yeah that might be questionable, Loud and Announcing not so much. Loud and Announcing do not have a yin-yang functionality like those other pairs do where it encompasses a full dichotomy. So it’s nowhere near as inconsistent as you claim it to be

[january]

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

this is valid but just doesn't really apply here imo

but my point is
i think he's lying but i don't/didn't think he was lying about it as scum - based on other games i think he just does it all the time

not nearly as sure anymore if it's town anymore but i'm not lynching him today

[Wake1]

And like to back to your example, if he’d flipped between Simple and Complex (or Loyal and Disloyal for that matter), yeah that might be questionable, Loud and Announcing not so much. Loud and Announcing do not have a yin-yang functionality like those other pairs do where it encompasses a full dichotomy. So it’s nowhere near as inconsistent as you claim it to be

Except they're two completely different modifiers that are similar/complementary yet not the same, so I don't understand why you're using them interchangeably when they're not the same.

[january]

they're not the same but they're not as extreme as claiming simple then complex

why does this matter you guys are arguing about something completely non-relevant

[Gamma Emerald]

Because the are similar in the way Watcher/Voyeur are similar

[january]

if it is true he lied (and at some point in this game, he did)
is he scum? or town?

also can you answer my q wake

[Gamma Emerald]

they're not the same but they're not as extreme as claiming simple then complex

why does this matter you guys are arguing about something completely non-relevant

Because Wake thinks it’s relevant. I don’t.

[january]

ok well we're in agreement then
lets talk about something else

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe later, I need to sleep soon