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[january]

ello

don't feel like RVS is worth the effort right now so just gonna ask questions instead

[january]

Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.

how do you tell that there's at least 2 towns? is it just that you don't think any of them are a maf & maf interaction or are they individual reads?

[january]

Dunn interests me actually. Instead of spouting a personal reason or just saying it was a rvs when I asked why they voted a town me, they just spouted a statics. It really didn't offer anything towards the game or develop anything. But to just flat out use a statics for reasoning in rvs is new to me.

i don't think he gave the statistic as a reasoning, bc he never said he thinks you're town

it seemed just like a cheeky response to your "why are you voting town"

anyways, since you point it out as interesting - which alignment do you think it's more likely to be done as?

[january]

VOTE: january
hang this lazy mafia

^probably bussing.

VOTE: january

dunno if you're serious about this but if you think he's bussing why don't you vote him (:

[january]

i thought the garmr and robb thing was a joke but yikes

i'm gonna say they're not mvm because they probably would have tried to resolve that in mafchat

and i feel like robb kinda overreacted but i'm marking it as towny for now, don't think maf would get annoyed so early just for being pushed on

[january]

Was holding back since they didn't answer yet but others already mentioned it. But scum is what my gut says. What about yourself?

if you're talking specifically about dunn - i think it's NAI and i think you misread it as some sort of scumline which i don't think it is

i'd rather have more content from them so i'm fine with you guys pushing him since it'll produce reads, but i don't think that part was scummy

[january]

It’s kind of both, mixed in with what I know about each of their personalities.

I generally like to read people’s personalities in relation to alignment rather than straight up meta reads because I think it’s more efficient. Meta is a good complimentary tool, if you can read who the person is themselves in relation to alignment and what players they are attempting to put the moves on or genuineness, I find it easier to tone read.

Now, while I actively do town read the 3 of them, I am aware it is early game, and I could be wrong. For all I know one of them is scum attempting to look townie, as scum do, and I’ll look into further actions to cross against it.

Plus, I believe the game state of which the 3 of them are being pushed as town creates a nice dichotomy, don’t you think?

Scum’s turn to play.

whats the dichotomy between? them being all town or... idk? what's that part mean?

from what I can understand, you're saying at least 2/3 because you townread each one of them?
I could probably just randomly pick 3 people and say that, and statistically, i'm probably right. i'm just curious why you chose to say 2/3 of them instead of just townreading them all individually

it just doesn't seem organic to look at a 3-person interaction and decide to say that at least 2/3 are town instead of reading them all individually and just saying "i think A and B are town, C is less towny" or something

i think this makes sense?

[january]

oops idk why i put a ? at the end but

i know what i'm trying to say and it's just not coming out the right way so ask me to clarify pls

[january]

that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia

well it's not what I would say as mafia so guess i'm not mafia

^ but i guess that's what i would say as mafia too.. lol

[january]

do you want to vote january ?

I’ve been urinating on that thought, we’ll see.

[january]

that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia

well it's not what I would say as mafia so guess i'm not mafia

^ but i guess that's what i would say as mafia too.. lol

what would you say if you were mafia then

idk ask me that when i'm mafia

jk i probably could have said something like that but i think(?) i'd be more likely to just say something along the lines of "wtf" or something asking why he thinks it's bussing

[january]

that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia

funny semantic thing but i feel like saying this

based on experience in like 8 games
town is more likely to say "that's what maf would do"
mafia is more likely to say "that's what i'd do

as mafia

"

not a read by any means but
i want it to be true

[january]

promise i'll try to make real reads... eventually

i'm just reacting to things and trying to get interactions i guess

FL can you respond to 145 whenever you have time

[january]

Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.

terrible post although statistically is correct

Statistically correct? That’s a bold statement on page 5

pretty sure "statistically correct" means in the absence of reads - like if someone picked any random 3 people and said at least 2 were town

[january]

Btw @january what’s your take on Robb’s replace out?

answered this already

i think skitt/robb's slot is probably town, mostly because of rob's replace-out and less because of skitter

[january]

Gamma can go up to town. I’ve never seen them post like that towards me as scum

agreed with this, i like their start
dunno how much stock to put into a meta read (i usually stay away from them as much as possible) but it seems towny on its own

January/Una/Maria is my early game solve.

disagree with this
i'd say i'm the scummiest out of the 3

but i liked una's start and (don't have any meta but) it seems like something scum wouldn't be comfortable doing, just pushing someone right out of the gate
it's similar to gamma's start, but i think it's even better

and maria hasn't said anything besides the single period... i'm guessing you just said that on PoE
but your reads seem to depend on just townreads and if someone's lurking or not present then it skews your reads a lot because they'll basically be automatically scum

[january]

promise i'll try to make real reads... eventually

i'm just reacting to things and trying to get interactions i guess

FL can you respond to 145 whenever you have time

Your posts are very sweet january but being reactionary is a scum tell

it's really not lol

by reacting i mean responding but that's basically the same thing?

i don't get why you're just quoting everything i say and saying "that's what scum would do" but ok

[january]

Good post

"reacting is a scum thing"

lol this is literally just a bunch of... reactions

[january]

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

thank you for posting this twice to make sure we saw it

why do you think that all the scum are on your wagon?
you did say you knew you were scummy, and there were a few of your reads/posts that i didn't like either
i wouldn't vote you for it but i don't think it was particularly opportunistic or scummy for Non and Una to vote you
tictac, maybe

i guess i get why you think they're scum independently, but i doubt all scum would be on 1 wagon

[january]

January’s just kinda cute newb townie, tbh. They felt like they were legit scummiest in the game, and I feel they were trying to be aware of it and fix it, and I don’t think scumJanuary does that ever. Dont think they’re bold enough yet, which makes sense. They don’t have the site experience to be comfortable doing that.

just to clarify, i do have mafia experience just not as much on this site

but uh
what makes you think that a newbie wouldn't think they were scummy
(is that what you're saying i can't read lol)

[january]

townread ScumSkitter?

first game i played i scumread town!skitter all the way up until only 3 people were left oops
it was probably the sig + paranoia but i felt like it wasn't that hard to sort her

i do think i've given her slot a free pass on the robb replace out but i'll sort her later

[january]

I didn't liked her post in the beginning when she asked Garmr about Dunn. Admittedly I might have some bias with having some experience with Garmr, but I felt it was pretty clear what his opinion of Dunn was when he said how Dunn's answer didn't provided anything useful, so her question felt kind of pointless to me.

huh it wasn't obvious at all

he basically said "huh that's new i've never seen anyone say that"
it sounded more of a "that's interesting but i'm not gonna make a read on it"
and from exp i think that's a scumtell because they're just pointing out things but avoiding making reads based on those things

so i asked him whether he was gonna make a read or just point it out

[january]

honestly of all the things you could have scumread me on i feel like that's a really strange choice
and not sure how it seemed obvious to you
is your experience with him that he just insinuates scumreads instead of saying them outright, bc i don't think that's the case?

and wrt 216, i have a habit of playing passive (for d1 at least) until i feel like i have some semblance of a solve
and i usually get scumread for it, so i'll always say something along the lines of "i'll make reads later"
so i guess i get why you think it's scummy but... it isn't

[january]

Saudae and Jan feel pretty blindly stupid. I mean that in a good way though, like I don’t see an agenda in the posting. I think Tic tac looks pretty bad though.

ow but thanks i guess

what exactly do you mean by an agenda? do you think scum will have an agenda already?
and: do you think it's possible for town to have agendas too?

basically
how do you tell someone's scum from having an "agenda"?

[january]

Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?

is this really a good question to ask...
the only thing it does is help you figure out whether they're actually mason buddies or not

i don't think any answer to that question will further the game
unless you think they're mafia together or something

[january]

ok i can't read
but i already knew that

sorry lol

[january]

Yeah if Una is scum trying to tether herself to mariar or they are mason I can eliminate them from my lynch pool. I mean it was quite obvious

una

non softed it out and it was pointed out by another player as well. I'm assuming people aren't blind enough to miss it after someone commented on it. Also if scum noticed it and they are masons they can avoid talking about it and just shoot one to test it out.

naw i know that non basically claimed mason with maria

but i meant if maria answers then it'll probably make it easier for scum to read whether they're actually masons or not

n since i don't think it's worth giving that away now for 2 potential clears i'd rather just purposely leave that unsure for now i guess

hope that makes sense

[january]

uh btw i have finals coming up in a few days so (hopefully i can be self-disciplined) I'll probably be less active over the weekend

i'll still take a glance and post some stuff it'll probably just be low-effort until i'm done studying

[january]

solved the whole game already wow that's pretty ambitious...

[january]

jan, is your strongest townread Una?

i should be sleeping or studying now but oops

idts, where'd you get that idea?
FL is probably strongest TR atm
but una's second rn i think

where's your gamesolve i thought you were gonna say it

[january]

feel like my reads are really half-baked right now because they're all just gut reads so don't ask me why

[january]

a circle? what do u mean?

when u wake up can you explain the one on skeller
or actually explain all of them

[january]

wall posts yay

FL didn't non say they were new? wdym about having meta on them?

and im still waiting on answers from maria and non just putting that here to remind myself

[january]

thoughts on FL bc i feel like he has the most stuff i want to respond to

he was setting up to claim whatever it is he's claiming from the very beginning

bc his reads before the claim were pretty bad and from what he's saying he was trying to get a reaction w/ purposely bad reads
i don't he'd have made those reads unintentionally so i believe this

and i don't see scum purposely forcing themselves to claim a pr role
i think the play is for a kinda eh strategy but its more to catch other people's reactions so i guess it works

[january]

i read better on interactions and i have only interacted with like half of the players here

but here are reads so far:
--towny--
FL
Saudade
Una * upon reread I'm not really sure why I townread them earlier before reading their last 2 posts bc those are towny

--nulltown--
Garmr
skitter
Skellen

--nullnull--
Non imh * kinda towny for some reason but I can't justify putting him in the higher level with his 9 posts lol. oh and I want an explanation of reads
Gamma
wake

--scummy null--
Dunn
Maria * i really want an answer to my question and I think it'll make a big difference for sorting but I won't say why until they answer

--scummy--
tictac * last game I played w/ him he was supertown so I might be comparing

someone pls ask me something so i can converse
this game's kinda weird because I feel like I have more scumleans than I usually do at this point

[january]

it wouldn't let me submit because someone kept posting things...

what was the point of claiming right there?
i don't think anyone was following skitter on voting you

[january]

Spoiler:

Pretentious, Mafia 2-shot Jailkeeper, lynched Day 3

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

That’s why I faked the BP, so i could make the comment if I stopped a kill.

That is not a me fake claim

“But it could be a TRUE claim as scum”

Yeah, no, I don’t really do that either.

i just assume that whatever he claims is a lie tbh

viewtopic.php?p=9861187#p9861187

Nevermind, I did fake claim as town there.

And I was the Day 1 lynch.

Meta BROKEN

fl i'm prob voting for you but i'm waiting for a vc

Skitter’s probably scum here.

My entire premise of high posting and going crazy was to see how Skitter would react, as I said.

She’s scum because she’s waiting it out and building towards the vote towards me. Scum 100% was pushing me/settting up to vote me.

I don’t claim my real role when I’m scum either, so if i were scum here, why would I be a scum jailkeeper and claim that?

I didn’t wanna claim my role yet, so if you quit being surface level.

I could also see Bob being scum trying to “convince themselves” to come onto me.

@january, from a different game ^^

flavor started playing the game on his mortality alt, and then switched to pretentious; it's all him tho

he is utterly capable of doing just this as scum

i'll check up on that game after
but i was more townreading him for setting up the claim earlier with the "bad reads"
i can definitely see him claiming as mafia and that game supports that
but i felt like this game he cornered himself into claiming so he planned it before the game even started

if that makes any sense

[january]

this game's kinda weird because I feel like I have more scumleans than I usually do at this point

did you read my post about fl?

i'm not sure tictac is scummy here; i feel like their play here is comparable to the newbie, actually

why do you like garmr ?

tbh in the newbie i marked tictac as town for that one meta read and then everything else he said was just town in confirmation bias
also just operating on memory atm but i'll definitely go back to that game later

but anyways..
couple things - him voting me because he thinks saudade was bussing me is... weird
and just felt like his votes were way too jumpy
and the walls just don't feel as towny as i remember they did in the newbie

[january]

what was the point of claiming right there?
i don't think anyone was following skitter on voting you

@FL

and also what's the point of PT cop if you're disloyal? isn't any disloyal investigative role already basically a cop

[january]

why do you like garmr ?

him floundering with the "pseudo" thing mostly

its not the actual claiming of "pseudo confirmed town" or whatever, but mostly the responses after he gets questioned
and the crumbing thing about joking - although i'm not sure why that's necessary... obviously you're not serious about being confirmed town
but ok

and this is kinda a weird take but his posts just feel unfiltered and i think maf is usually at least a little bit careful with editing mistakes
partially his fight w robb
partially him accidentally replacing non with una

[january]

first sentence: i think it kinda makes sense if he has experience with scum!saudade where, out of the blue, saudade lolvoted a partner and tunneled him

yeah but
if i was in his position and actually thought that, then i think i'd be more likely to vote saudade
unless i was worried about saudade flipping onto me or something like that

like it's easier for maf to fake a svs interaction than it is for town to get out of it
idk how to explain this part but something like that

[january]

I was annoyed because of the noise comment and I needed to prove it for ego centric reasons.

FL's a fellow ego player (:

not sure it was a good idea to claim that but its probably still a fake claim so no comment

cop that's disloyal seems pretty useless tho, unless there's a roleblocker or something like that

[january]

yeah, fl-jan-una is my solve,, GE has a false positive on fl
k, I had fun, lynch me,, LYNCH ME
if you're town, LYNCH ME, but only if you're really town
VOTE: Non

what..

[january]

1. can you explain your earlier reads or your current reads
2. why the heck are you self voting
3. what.

[january]

what's your goal here lol

if it's to get townread you're not really helping by selfvoting
and if you're actually serious about being that self-confident you're wrong and all you're doing is wasting a lynch

[january]

just caught up
have a final tomorrow so a bit busy

don't lynch FL before i can make an argument
thanks

[january]

Non lmh's play is pretty gross

+1

FL you said you have meta
did non play like this last game
(yeah ik i can check it just takes too much time atm, and i kinda want your take on it anyways)

[january]

i guess just thoughts in general on him voting you just now
not just meta since that can change pretty easily

[january]

pre-final stressed post

garmr's probably town for 732 it feels too manipulative if it was scum

will be back later
maybe
hopefully

[january]

i'm not sure tictac is scummy here; i feel like their play here is comparable to the newbie, actually

i reread the newbie game (viewtopic.php?t=81110&f=50 if anyone wants it i guess)

and i do think at least tictac's walls this game seem somewhat consistent
i guess i just had some vague impression that they were different i guess
so this part of my gut read is wrong i guess

but in that game i felt like tictac was infinitely more active
in terms of post counts too (mostly NAI i think), but more like pushing on ppl and trying to get answers to questions and stuff
this game feels a lot more reactive and lacks the active pushing stuff and i feel like that's how tictac would play as scum
i guess it could be that this is a larger game? i'll try to find something else to compare w/

thoughts on this would be appreciated if anyone has em

[january]

so far all my scumreads in my two games have been wrong so i'm kinda hesitant to actually make one
but there's definitely a different tone in this game and i don't think his play here is consistent with the newbie

i tend to make townreads and and scumread based on PoE better
i guess probability-wise it's more likely to have a correct townread but.. eh

probably bombed the final but i'm still here yay

[january]

didn't realize FL said he's not coming back lol

this isn't consistent lol

I got an ego, but I’ll put the game victory over everything still.

so i'm gonna say he's faking it and i have no idea why he'd do it as town OR mafia

now come back and explain thx (:

[january]

wot wot

is that directed at me

[january]

He only said it’s for the day phase

yeah but
he's currently got the most votes on him

and he's just like "bye i'm out"

[january]

I feel like he does that a lot actually, maybe it’s a meta lead I can try

it feels to me like annoyed town, but it's also something very easily fake-able as scum
but it seems weird to me that FL's said he's not putting his ego above the game... and then puts his ego above the game
and i don't see why scum would just let themselves get wagoned
so he's either a nonexistent third party or he's faking it and i want to know why

i do townread FL for earlier stuff but definitely not to the point of defending a wagon on him when he's not even here

we don't need 3.5 people that refuse to contribute today

[january]

tbf i don't think it matters whether he's a PR claim or not

from what i can tell he's just as likely to claim PR as town or maf, so i do think skitter's argument is more reliant on other reads
i don't agree with it but i think it makes sense somewhat

[january]

skit - i read some parts of the game you mentioned where FL claimed PR as maf

hindsight's 20/20 and i'm really really bad at ignoring it, but the claim in that game seems a lot worse than the claim in this game

and he hasn't said anything about
1. being too scummy to be scum
or 2. not claiming this particular role as mafia

i realize that his playstyle changes... literally every game
but how much of your fos on him do you think is just paranoia

i realize i could be 100% wrong here and i know i have a particular difficulty lynching players with bigger presences (idk exactly how to explain this but it's like.. reputation + high activity)
if i'm being played then ... idk i'll probably get laughed at but whatever

i know i'm paranoid and it's really tempting to just lynch him in case he's scum so i can say "u didn't trick me i caught you"
but at that point it's just a policy lynch and i'd rather wait til there's actually a reason to scumread him (pretty sure it'll probably be PoE if it happens)

[january]

that game was a pretty interesting read btw
i marked ben as hard town so my scum radar definitely sucks

[january]

i hate finals week but i'll be free soon to do more useful stuff i promise

i am currently willing to lynch tictac or maria

i said earlier that i was waiting for a response from maria about the agenda thing
and the response seems very forced to me
i think it's way too easy for scum to just not have an agenda especially early game
i don't think you can make a read based on basically RVS that has to do with agendas

and i don't think a read that says saudade and i are town for not having an agenda makes any sense
if anything i'm pretty sure saudade had an agenda in voting me, whether he's town or maf
and i don't think i even interacted enough with him to warrant the townread on me?

[january]

ill probably be more passive on this wagon bc effort takes too much time that i don't have
but those are the people im willing to vote at the moment

[january]

confused about being on same tier as jan. if ya think i'm lynchbait shouldn't I be null?
skitter as TR in context of previous scumread on her is???

think lynchbait usually suggests “town that’s scummy”? not sure if i’m getting that right

wrt the skitter read
i honestly didn’t notice it changed? he said he scumread skitter but then said he was backing off a little bit and reconsidering or something like that

idk
i really cannot think straight this last week i wish i could do something more

[january]

oh yeah i don’t like FL’s thing on una there’s nothing to warrant 100% confidence

he’s so slippery it’s like i’ve made a read and then it’s gone
like why would town ever make that read
but why would scum either??

scum has more reason to play messily
so
huh

[january]

Incidentally i think the claim might be true, i just dont think he's town

thought it would make more sense as the reverse? don’t think he’d be claiming his real role as maf.. probably?
the role he claimed would be completely useless for mafia wouldn’t it?

and yay a replacement who actually wants to participate lol
still no idea what Non was saying about the circle thing but i guess i’m a circle

[january]

i don’t think the thing about shorter posts was wrt to being scumread i thought it was just readability?

[january]

It could serve Mafia well but to claim it like he did kills its utility
Unless he’s a Traitor.

i can't think...
for some reason i thought as mafia he'd only be able to target mafia lol

yeah ok lets just forget about the claim its probably fake either ways

[january]

I've seen your reasoning for Dunnstral, and after a quick scan, I do not disagree. What is your reasoning for Garmr?

i ISO'd skit and she has no reasoning on Dunn
what reasoning are you talking about

from what i can tell she just went from

I dont understand the dunn wagon

to

town: maybe dunn

to

Dunn is scummy

with no explanation

@skit - i'll consider it rn but it's not a top choice so if i can idk.. actually use my brain... i might want something else?
will reread now

[january]

That still supports my thoughts with regard to linkage; however, as I stated, it is not strong so I don't think that spending more time debating the particulars is going to be useful currently.

ya thats fair
i do like the thought behind the read even if i don't agree with the read itself

[january]

oh i only ctrl+F'd for "dunn"
ty

[january]

I’m one of the, if not the, strongest scum players on site right now.

If anyone thinks any of this comes from a ScumFL, I’m just gonna laugh and accept my lynch to show how incredibly poor of a read that is.

The only reasoning someone can give here is if you’re pushing the fact “FL is scum purposefully playing scum badly to make the case he’d never play like that as scum.” which is fine. I get that. I would do something like that.

I’m not, but it’s not out of my galaxy sized scum range.

I unsubbed this game when I quit, so...if that shows you where I stand with this game.

you said this..
in the game that skitter linked...

i don't think it's really that hard to say "i'm too scummy to be scum" and that's a really lazy way to get out of a-
oh u already anticipated that i didn't read the whole post before responding

ok well forgive me if i don't particularly find that to be very convincing

[january]

Btw @january what’s your take on Robb’s replace out?

answered this already

i think skitt/robb's slot is probably town, mostly because of rob's replace-out and less because of skitter

I don't like this.

This is Robb we're talking about. Robb of either alignment could get mad and replace out.

Do you agree or disagree with that, and if not I want to know exactly

why

.

i don't know who robb is so "this is robb" has meaning to me
all i saw was the replace-out

and that was an extremely early-game read and i'm pretty sure i said somewhere later that i wouldn't be leaning on robb's actions to townread skitter
i independently townread skitter and i've honestly... already forgotten about robb until you brought it up again

[january]

he's most likely fakeclaiming either way so this argument seems pretty useless tbh

[january]

wake - can you explain why you scumread me
if it's for the robb thing i'm pretty sure
1) i just explained why i thought that way
and 2) a lot of people expressed a similar thought

is there something else

[january]

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

this is valid but just doesn't really apply here imo

but my point is
i think he's lying but i don't/didn't think he was lying about it as scum - based on other games i think he just does it all the time

not nearly as sure anymore if it's town anymore but i'm not lynching him today

[january]

they're not the same but they're not as extreme as claiming simple then complex

why does this matter you guys are arguing about something completely non-relevant

[january]

if it is true he lied (and at some point in this game, he did)
is he scum? or town?

also can you answer my q wake

[january]

ok well we're in agreement then
lets talk about something else

[january]

more of a general "everyone lets talk" but alright see ya later

[january]

*gamma has left the chat*

now can u stop responding to gamma's iso and read what i'm saying too pls i feel like you're ignoring me

[january]

@tictac / @UnaBombaH:

Why should I vote Flavor Leaf?

don't particularly like this start but

you're also already voting FL

[january]

@tictac / @UnaBombaH:

Why should I vote Flavor Leaf?

don't particularly like this start

idk i thought about it and maybe not
but why are you asking tictac and una specifically?

[january]

I was actually going to say i changed my mind on FL at around #1122
mostly due to the stuff about "i'm too scummy and i don't act like this as mafia"

but i like his last few pages way too much
i think the part about being "too scummy" was just him taking a gambit that just... really didn't work out
now sure this can be extra-next-next-level play but i don't think it's worth lynching him today either way

just curious though - why do you expect to live after claiming some sort of PR regardless?

Which is what I was trying to hide for a few nights before I flipped.

[january]

Yeah i'm basically at the point where i dont think i'd hammer but i wouldnt prevent other people from doing it

almost this
but i actually DO want to stop people from doing it

saudade wanna agree on a different wagon
pls

[january]

i'll join if you're planning to stay on it lol

compromise lynch or something but i just
really really don't think it's worth paranoia-lynching FL today
which is what most people are doing from what i can tell, even if they're not gonna admit it

laugh at me if i got pocketed but i don't think so

[january]

@Dunn - I only think about repercussions when I’m scum. Town I just do whatever comes into my mind

doubt this is totally true
but once again i don't think it's coming from scum

[january]

ouch ok ignore me thats fine

[january]

wasn't that a hammer

[january]

Not really, fuck your weird ass claims

do it again next game pls

one day they will learn

[january]

January scum’d it up on this last page.

don't think i did lol
why

[january]

Eh, Jan’s probably town.

better, thanks

[january]

I think there's at least one scum onwagon, probably two

i'd say 2-3. gonna be surprised if it's less than 2.
twas a slow rolling wagon, even if no super-valid counter.

what makes a slow wagon indicative of scum being on it?
wouldn't the wagon be faster if scum was voting with town

[january]

Why would anyone in their right mind doc skitter? She was scummy asf yesterday.

i mean, saud is voting skitt purely cause she didn't die, so.

people get really paranoid of me for some reason, can't imagine why

how strange... definitely not the sig or the banner

[january]

can i interest you in voting dunn?

perhaps
maybe yes i think so

don't really feel comfy voting early ever though
but between dunn and maria's replacement atm
(mostly scumread maria, not so much looker so waiting for some reads on them i guess)

[january]

that was meant to be dripping in sarcasm

thought so haha

[january]

i promise i'll be on a wagon today though

wasn't expecting saudade to hammer yesterday & thought i had a chance to flip it
but today i shall strongly advocate for a wagon and everyone shall agree with me
hehe not really but hopefully

[january]

oh didn't even notice that people have voted already oops
guess i'll rr faster, not that much from dunn to read though
and i'm not willing to put him at L-1 without any posts today (L-2 i guess... same thing though)

i think saudade's just volatile town (if that's a phrase, idk?)
don't think mafia would have hammered there especially with what i had just said previously

[january]

i think saudade's just volatile town (if that's a phrase, idk?)
don't think mafia would have hammered there especially with what i had just said previously

definitely not a confident read on this but i'm not interested in voting him today

[january]

wild
wanna towntell so that i can have a reason to let you live

[january]

bad news for you garmr
she doesn't have to answer

[january]

bad news for you garmr
she doesn't have to answer

if she doesn't she's scum confirmed.

are you claiming friendly fruit vendor then?

[january]

not if this fruit thing actually comes down to garmr v skit

if it does i townread skit significantly more

[january]

don't worry i will wait

i like to think and think and overthink and overthink my overthink before voting

[january]

I can give you something to think about

circle

bad news for you garmr
she doesn't have to answer

if she doesn't she's scum confirmed.

are you claiming friendly fruit vendor then?

Bad news Jan I don't have to anwser that.

if you wanna call skitter "confirmed scum" you do (:

[january]

oops i quoted the wrong thing

[january]

correct me if i'm wrong

you're saying you soft to FL that you were a PR in those posts
and you scumread him because he didn't see them
at least partially - it sounds like you also scumread him for his weird claim + him not reading you correctly?

[january]

VOTE: skitter30

Don't care nearly enouh to let you live if you're going to dumb push on me all game

what are your thoughts on skitt and saudade?
they're both pushing pretty hard on you, do you think they're both maf or one maf?

[january]

VOTE: skitter30

Don't care nearly enouh to let you live if you're going to dumb push on me all game

what are your thoughts on skitt and saudade?
they're both pushing pretty hard on you, do you think they're both maf or one maf?

we're both mafia trying to get an easy mislynch on poor Dunnstral

nice maf team can i join?

Jenny what's the shortest path between 2 points on the surface of a sphere?

a straight line? is this a trick question?

[january]

i thought you meant the points were on the surface but the path could go through...

[january]

the path that forms a arc of a circle with center at the center of the sphere then?

[january]

really impatient everyone takes so long to respond...

dunn/looker/una/garmr is probably maf pool rn lets lynch all of them today

[january]

i'll take that as a compliment (:

idk how to explain it any simpler so it came out weird

[january]

hm i'll try

just for you (:

[january]

Spoiler: idk if this is even correct logic but i tried

[january]

result is best result i am clearly town

all good i looked it up afterwards lol

[january]

saudade and his promises...

[january]

Jan went full shifty when I asked skitter if she got my fruit

i mean...
i townread skitter
i don't townread you
you could be maf trying to find PRs

so i don't see why she would be confirmed mafia if she doesn't claim...
unless you're actually claiming friendly fv in which case you may as well claim because i doubt it'll work twice

[january]

friendly's not the right word whoops
loyal*
or i guess disloyal too

[january]

was it really

honestly find it hard to believe that there's a PT cop and an alignment-telling fruit vendor in the same setup
they're both basically alignment cops that basically have certain reports that are guaranteed to confirm someone

[january]

I hardclaim complex cop mason and i have guilty on dunnstral

seems really believable!

VOTE: dunn

[january]

Jan I'm curious why are you treating it like I have a guilty on Skitter what happens if I town clear her. I don't know.

u were saying that she's scum for not answering
that's what i was responding to

[january]

wdym
i'm not saying it's a fake fruit vendor claim but isn't it possible that he's maf complex/simple and trying to find PR

[january]

tictac, who are you scumreading? So far for D2 I saw you sheeping FL infamous last words about Una (where you are null), sheeping skitter on to Dunn (I think I remember though you wouldn't fight his lynch on D1) and now you followed Garmr to skitter due to skitter's reaction to Garmr's gambit. Can't really tell by this trajectory where you sincerely are.

i currently scumread skitter, tho i didn't before that reaction.
probs means saud is scum as well.
i'm 'eh' about dunn.

such a hot take here but i really think you are very wrong

[january]

that’s a good point lol

[january]

i highly doubt he’s lying about being vendor and i don’t see why skit should have expected that because i definitely didn’t
but it’s possible ig

[january]

lying about not being*
on phone whoops

[january]

Opportunistic vote on FL when under pressure

That's it?

Well, OK. Let's string him up then.

this is sarcasm right

instead of asking other people for their reasons to lynch i’m gonna flip this on you
who are you willing to lynch?

[january]

Yo january why do you think i'm town?

sorry didn’t see this when i left
on phone right now so i’ll say more later

combination of FL read, tictac read, and people currently pushing on you
will be more specific later

[january]

Also you and Jan took ages to come up with he may be complex. Jans initial reaction was I was going to fake a guilty.

Also Jan doesn't know if I am town or scum so her reaction should of got you to claim fruit and then lynch me. because no matter the situation it would of been a 1v1 trade. This means Jan knows your alignment and doesn't need the info.

1. you’re making it sound like we’re teamed for having the same idea lol
2. i thought about that immediately when skit refused to answer you, so... not ages?
3. what don’t you understand - i didn’t know if the fruit would actually be alignment telling like you claimed?
i said before and i’ll say it again - if you were scum complex/simple fruit vendor then clearly it’s better for skit not to claim? i townread skit more than i townread you, so i don’t think it’s worth her potentially outing as PR just so that YOU can say whether she’s town or not (which isn’t confirmed at all imo anyways)? does this make sense?
basically her outing the fruit would mean that i’m relying on your word to confirm whether she’s town or not, and i tr her more than you so that wouldn’t be very helpful

[january]

sorry that was long

[january]

I disagree. She comes across as not actually trying to determine others’ alignment; she is reactionary; and, her waffling around Flavor Leaf at the end of yesterday was suspect. I also did not like her recent interaction with Garmr surrounding his fake claim (which I also do not like).

waffling means uncertainty doesn't it?

where the hell was i uncertain???

[january]

UNVOTE:
i promised a skit read and i'm doing it today

[january]

You weren’t waffling in your lack of wanting Flavor Leaf lynched (until your last post, which was odd given your previous posts). You were waffling in your read, and kept it (intentionally, I believe) in the center.

Spoiler:

Not really, fuck your weird ass claims

do it again next game pls

one day they will learn

@Dunn - I only think about repercussions when I’m scum. Town I just do whatever comes into my mind

doubt this is totally true
but once again i don't think it's coming from scum

Yeah i'm basically at the point where i dont think i'd hammer but i wouldnt prevent other people from doing it

almost this
but i actually DO want to stop people from doing it

saudade wanna agree on a different wagon
pls

I was actually going to say i changed my mind on FL at around #1122
mostly due to the stuff about "i'm too scummy and i don't act like this as mafia"

but i like his last few pages way too much
i think the part about being "too scummy" was just him taking a gambit that just... really didn't work out
now sure this can be extra-next-next-level play but i don't think it's worth lynching him today either way

just curious though - why do you expect to live after claiming some sort of PR regardless?

Which is what I was trying to hide for a few nights before I flipped.

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

this is valid but just doesn't really apply here imo

but my point is
i think he's lying but i don't/didn't think he was lying about it as scum - based on other games i think he just does it all the time

not nearly as sure anymore if it's town anymore but i'm not lynching him today

not sure how this comes off as being in the center
i townread FL and i didn't want him lynched
pretty sure every one of your quotes here except for the bottom one is me saying "FL wouldn't do this as scum" or "i think FL is town"

[january]

Suji, january, how do you both read tictac?

townier than maria/dunn
probably same level as garmr? ish?

t > s
skitter > saudade > Sujimichi > Una > Skellen > Wake > tictac > Garmr > Dunn > looker

[january]

whoops looker not maria* idk why i keep forgetting

[january]

i'll explain that but in the middle of something rn

[january]

that’s a good point lol

it's not

i meant @ your point not skit's

[january]

she's pocketing you.

jan's my strongest tr rn

skitter's been successfully pocketed

in my op skitter is the towniest here so if me townreading my townread is... scummy... then sucks i guess lol

-no ok i do see how you might think it's buddying/pocketing but it's not. trying to stick with my tr's and not be paranoid unless there's a good reason to be, i've kinda realized i overthink way too much and (usually) my gut townreads are right

ofc it could be skit pocketing me but i don't think so
---
anyways i promised an analysis so here it is

to be completely honest, my

initial

thoughts on skitter were mostly just tone & the fact that she was engaging with me where others weren't. didn't hurt that she kept calling me town d1 (:
i think i said this some other time earlier but that initially was probably some sort of "presence" read based on reputation + activity. a little bit of a tone read but that's usually something i'm about 5% confident about (i.e. not really a read). and there was definitely a lot of paranoia (esp that banner staring at me...)

but anyways - my case on skitter, separated into different sections
---
1 - FL progression
first thing: FL was a good lynch for mafia. i believe mafia was driving the lynch on him, not town
if skit had tried to force a lynch between herself and FL, skit would have won. i don't see scum!skit backing off of the lynch and trying to make a counterwagon on garmr when FL is a much larger threat. skit made it extremely clear that she thought FL was maf, and if she had pushed on him it'd be justified by her reads (as well as the majority of other people's). so she COULD have voted him.
scum!skit there would probably know (or at least be pretty confident) that FL was a power role, so she'd want FL lynched asap, especially with all the mess of his claim. scum skit wouldn't be trying to get people off the lynch
it's possible that she's scum trying to join a counterwagon to distance from the lynch. but:
1 - i don't think there was any reason for her to get off of the FL wagon
and stronger point:
2 - the wagon on FL wasn't at all established. the only possibility if she was scum is that at some point around vote log 1.14 (which is when she started asking ppl to vote dunn/garmr), there was some sort of plan for her partners to push for FL lynch. possible, but not likely - would have been much easier for her to push for it

Spoiler: vote log 1.14

VOTE COUNT 1.14

tictac [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf [3]:

UnaBombaH, tictac, MariaR

skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

MariaR [1]:

Garmr

Dunnstral [2]:

Saudade, skitter30

Sujimichi [1]:

Flavor Leaf

UnaBombaH [1]:

Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald [0]:

Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [4]:

Wake88, january, Skellen, Sujimichi

With 13 in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-21 22:10:00)

Notes

- skitter30 is regularly V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays
- Sujimichi is the new Non lmh

[january]

so fucking long im sorry

[january]

that was only part 1...

intermission then i'll finish the 2nd part

i'll explain that but in the middle of something rn

I'm not accustomed to statements like these being actually followed up, so I'm hoping you prove me wrong and surprise me.

i always keep my promises
just depends on how long it takes me

[january]

sorry i was putting this off for a while it was in my head but i just couldn't put it to words
and it's probably still not very well put-into-words but whatever i tried

[january]

ok actually i'm lazy and i'll just include pt 2 while explaining my reads

Skellen shouldn't be forgotten

i don't think anyone was forgetting them..

[january]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

I think you're misreading everything lol

i did not never considered that you were town ( i did consider you could be town )
i don't believe i even ever said you were scum for the gambit

here's how i explained it earlier

if you were scum complex/simple fruit vendor then clearly it’s better for skit not to claim? i townread skit more than i townread you, so i don’t think it’s worth her potentially outing as PR just so that YOU can say whether she’s town or not (which isn’t confirmed at all imo anyways)? does this make sense?
basically her outing the fruit would mean that i’m relying on your word to confirm whether she’s town or not, and i tr her more than you so that wouldn’t be very helpful

i know this was badly worded (everything i say is badly worded sorry)

the possible situations are:
1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

given that I think #1 & #2 are the most likely, and there is virtually no utility for skit to claim if #2 is true, and negative utility for skit to claim if #1 is true
therefore it is better for skit not to claim

[january]

anyways thats a lot of words to explain that skit shouldn't claim even if you can be town

[january]

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

u really just don’t want to read and that’s ok! i know it was long but did you read the part where i said you could be town?
probably not but i don’t know why i’m required to townread you just because i gave a townread on you on d1

reads change, doesn’t mean i’m inconsistent
maybe it means you’re just scummy today and i was wrong yesterday

[january]

christmas eve party today so i’ll do stuff tomorrow

skit- can u explain why you think maria is town?

[january]

sht sorry looker* is town

[january]

unvoted so i could explain my reads without threat of hammer or whatever

was planning to explain those reads but christmas was a lot busier than i expected, will get to them in a tiny bit
i think i said that i didn’t like the thing looker about not seeing the hammer today - might have been just in my mind and forgot to put it here lol
will explain this when i go thru reads, been running on memory and not really rereading
the 3 in the middle i honestly haven’t put as much thought into yet but i will

[january]

finally getting to go on computer and do stuff today thank god

[january]

also declaring probable intent to hammer dunn (is that a thing lol)
will reread but don’t particularly have and reason to turn this lynch unless i have a really good case on looker ig

[january]

wrote out a thing and when i went to submit, got logged out instead... grr ):
breaking it up into parts now so i don’t lose it again

read on looker:
i don’t believe the thing about not knowing that votes didn’t reset with replacement. it’s much too convenient of an excuse to me, and i think i was right earlier about looker’s intro being a little bit awkward
i would have believed it more if looker said they didn’t see the vote log at all. but if they saw the name of the person they replaced voting FL... why, as town, even assume that votes would reset? i would be safe and unvote anyways, and from my exp that’s what everyone else has done...

@tictac / @UnaBombaH:

Why should I vote Flavor Leaf?

this makes 0 sense to me. who would join a game, and (presumably without reading on their own) ask two random players why they should join a wagon - which they happen to already be on... convenient much?

sure, let’s say the vote was actually an accident (kinda hard to believe, but just for the sake of it). say looker didn’t know they were voting FL at the time.
1. why ask tictac and una in particular? did you have a townread on them?
2. why ask someone to give you reasons to join the FL wagon? feels to me like mafia trying to get someone to give them an excuse to join a wagon on town

imo, this is either some bizarre PR soft or some sort of mafia distancing/wifom strategy that will only really make sense upon looker’s flip or some sort of explanation that i want before the end of today in case someone flips on dunn

[january]

VOTE: looker
someone join me i gave my reasons yesterday and nothing has changed

also i’m holding back on claiming til later
take that however u want (:

[january]

i will claim once looker claims

and why do you not like me holding off when you’re holding off too hmm

[january]

this is taking way too long
happy holidays everyone

i’m loyal motion detector, got motion on skit n1 which clears her as town
was softing + crumbing that on day 2
have fun finding the crumbs if you want, i’ll point em out later
u have no idea how hard it was to come up with reasons to townread her as a soft... i could have sworn she was scum after d1 lol

no result on looker n2 which is why i’m voting them
gave them a chance to claim ascetic or whatever the role is that roleblocks whoever visits them but no more waiting

[january]

actually pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them
odd setup but i think it’d be way too unbalanced without some way to counter loyal modifier
night kill will probably be me but if there’s a protective role save me

anyways that was fun
let’s vote looker now pls

[january]

If you scum read her like me for her actions. what made it so hard to believe a town me would target her?

Also when I said it was a gambit you as town would of pressed harder. Not believing me
But instead you went for dun.

Things don't add up.

you keep saying i scumread you for your “gambit” and i somehow just assumed i had given off that tone and started defending myself for that
but upon reread i literally only said that skitter should not claim, because i was worried that you COULD be mafia fishing for PR

i never said anywhere that i thought you were scum for targeting her. ever.
and if you for some reason think i did, please please please quote the post that i have somehow forgotten and ignored and did not read.
good luck because it doesn’t exist lol.

not sure what you’re talking about pressing harder. the whole point of my defending/siding with skitter was to make my crumbs as clear as possible.

not believing you about what? if you’re talking about the “i could be double-gambiting still” or whatever... sorry but my brain doesn’t think that much lol. i didn’t think about the possibility. doesn’t make me scum in any way.

[january]

in case it wasn’t clear:

on d2 i pushed back against your gambit thing because skitter was clear to me
you claimed some thing about “skitter is scum confirmed if she doesn’t answer” so i basically answered with
“if garmr really wants to say skitter is conf maf then he has to be maf”
- in case this isn’t obvious: this was so that i could make it clear that skitter would win any forced cc between u two. if you’re calling my conftown a confirmed maf then i should push on you. make sense?

then you said it was all just a gambit
so i backed off
sure it could be a double gambit whatever you call it
either way i don’t think(?) you would point it out immediately after if it was
unless we’re being quadruple gambited or something. lmao.
i’d like to say the simplest explanation makes the most sense, so no you aren’t actually loyal fruit vendor that is actually mafia complex fruit vendor doing some next-level 4d wifom... i hope

[january]

anyways.
have fun trying to get me lynched today.
lol

[january]

actually pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them

Y tho

role feels too strong without some sort of way to counter it with rb/ascetic either on the scum side or possibly town i guess

[january]

Then again I want to go back and reread some D1 interactions, because I am fairly sure january was townreading FL for most of D1, even when he was claiming disloyal announcing PT Cop which was by function almost the same as her role (because also basically full alignment Cop).

thought he was fake claiming the whole time + i softed it a few times with the “pretty sure FL is fakeclaiming”
i thought he was town despite the claim (what tictac said i think)

[january]

no

[january]

wait oops i misread lmao
yes

[january]

It's possible that jan is actually a scum motion detector with out the loyal bit or unloyal. If she is loyal and is scum that would mean skitter is scum as well. So when I said tell me if she got the fruit or not town jan would def buy into me using fruit on her during it. So her scum motivation for not wanting skitter cleared is so she can do this clear one today and try to get townie points from it day 3 and a possible mislynch on me day 2.

Because there's still holes in jans thought process's

-Jan thought of skitter as scummy enough to use her ability on and knew I thought the same thing so the natural conclusion would be town is more likely to target skitter with some sort of role.

1-Jan saw motion go off so me saying it was just a gambit wold seem off since things happened that night.

2-Jan was town reading me the day before so a town me using a ability on Skitter is the first logical conclusion.

3-A fruit vendor with a loyal/unloyal modifir would fit in the theme of her role making it more believable for set up spec. It would be a set up full of gimped cops

I don't think Jan is a Unskilled newbie who wouldn't think of these things therefore the conclusion is she thought she could get a mislynch on me from what would potentially go down with me and skitter.

- ok and? don’t get what your point is here? reread #1531 and replace TR skitter with “skitter clear”
1- yeah, maybe i should have considered that. but i didnt think of it. still don’t get how that part’s AI, i could just make an excuse for it as scum idk
2- ok reread #1531 again - my entire logic was: skitter is conftown u could be scum so why do i want her to claim the fruit if she has it?? u keep repeating this part like a broken record and i’ve responded to it. multiple times. and u just ignore it?
3- don’t think so... no idea about themed setups but it seems grossly overpowered for town to have more than one loyal/disloyal + FL’s pt cop
explain where exactly i tried to get you lynched on d2? i said if u were actually claiming that skit was conf maf then i’d lynch you. pretty sure i barely pushed on lynching you besides putting you in my scum pool BELOW the two people i actually wanted lynched

[january]

Also her claiming now could be her trying to a pseudo power role hunt and get confirmation from that power role to make herself look more town.

ok but. everyone’s claiming already. so...
i claimed just so that i could PR hunt the PRs that are already claiming? seems smart lol

[january]

If she really is loyal and a motion detector then she would expect town to target skitter more so than scum and gamble on skitter. She would have a innocent but to go into full defence and

act like anyone that used a power on her is scum

. The way she acted day 2 doesn't add up to how a real townie would act.

see above and ur literally repeating something incorrect so maybe rereading might help!

[january]

Also on that topic she didn't mind FL lynch either she should of really pushed the fact we could of sorted him tomorrow after he uses his ability if she was town because she knew fl claimed a power role.

She then could of sorted who wanted him lynched.

pls go reread x100
“didn’t mind FL lynch” lmao what
i townread FL and didn’t want him lynched... i think i did mind it lol

*everything below is hypothetical* just so you can’t misrep me more lol
if i had scumread him... i would have tried to lynch him even though he claimed PR.
if you’re saying i should have let him live so that i could check him at night, depends on how much i scumread him, but i still might have lynched him there and tried to check someone else. sure i guess i might have let him live and checked him or something, idk

[january]

town!jan not gonna believe another loyal role exists. that's silly.
her claim makes town!her jumping to simple/complex theory on day 2 more likely, not less likely.

what would the point of pr-hunting be when we are in the middle of massclaims?

fl claiming stuff is 0 information. who would hard-oppose that lych?

exactly this lol

[january]

1-Jan saw motion go off so me saying it was just a gambit wold seem off since things happened that night.

Ok, so this is a resonable question:

@jan did you think that garmr was the source of the motion that night?

pre “i gambited” yes
after - not really, just kinda figured it was you or someone else. tbh the possibility just never crossed my mind at all

[january]

@january:

It would actually interest me why january targeted skitter over Looker in N1.

skitter was in her null-town reads at some point in D1 and I didn't really got the impression she was scumreading skitter at the end of D1 as she was townreading skitter according to #1030. She was already scumreading Maria and pointed out that she didn't liked Looker's entrance when he asked Una/tictac for reasons on voting FL. Why investigating offside the FL wagon?

mb didn't see this earlier
figured i might have to explain the check, was a little bit hard to decide but i think it was a good choice
my reads on d1 were pretty shallow and i realized i couldn't actually find a single reason I townread skit
i really really didn't like skitter's half-on half-off of the FL wagon, esp 1199. might have read it as townie uncertainty from literally anyone else but paranoia (i guess?) and skit's hard to read
felt like a check on looker would be somewhat wasted since i felt like i'd hopefully be able to sort them. was going for a check that I knew i would have trouble sorting otherwise, and i feel like even an inno is beneficial there since it actually gives a clear if that makes sense

[january]

anyways on that topic..

i'm

actually

pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them

odd

setup but i think it’d be way too unbalanced without some way to counter loyal modifier

night

kill will probably be me but if there’s a protective role save me

only
so the looker soft-guilty thing was fake to get some kind of reaction

tbh not exactly sure what I was expecting but felt like i had to do something besides just claim normally (lol)
i expected the vote today to be between me and looker but there's nearly no traction
i think this is maf anyways but his partners are trying to get the lynch onto someone else

[january]

skitter's

been successfully pocketed

in

my op skitter is the towniest here so if me townreading my townread is... scummy... then sucks i guess lol

-no

ok i do see how you might think it's buddying/pocketing but it's not. trying to stick with my tr's and not be paranoid unless there's a good reason to be, i've kinda realized i overthink way too much and (usually) my gut townreads are right

here's my other crumb i'm really proud of it so i have to share

[january]

VOTE: Wake88

why?

[january]

so are you still calling me third maf or what

[january]

I don't like how convenient this is, but I'm extremely biased. If Skellen had not challenged you, at what point would you have revealed that you were

actually fucking lying

.

if you read that post again, it’s pretty clear i didn’t just claim because skellen challenged me lol
he asked me about the skit check not the you check

[january]

Individually they are scummy probs not a team also I read a game were mafia shot their partner and claimed to be vig sooooo.

what

also how did you not notice my claim or my guilty??

[january]

oh you saw my claim but not the guilty

[january]

garmr so scummy get him tomorrow ok

[january]

looking forward to playing with u in the next newbie!

[january]

but that would make me mafia too

are you calling me mafia

[january]

i’d vote either garmr or looker here prob

but i just feel like i have 0 reason to consider looker as town. the only potentially maybe towntell is him not claiming ascetic but even that is probably just not wanting to take the risk idk

don’t feel like they’ve made any attempt to towntell and i’m a bit confused why they didn’t try to get me lynched and instead basically accepted their lynch today. there was some traction on a vote on me but they went and tried to vote wake (for basically no reason imo).

[january]

yeah sure but why exclude wake from that

[january]

don’t die then :/

[january]

if this flips town it should be better to go for a townclear not a soft guilty i think

[january]

pretty sure i did explain it if that’s what you’re trying to say

[january]

also i really want post 2020 so haha

[january]

tf does prepping mean

and yes u can request but does not necessarily mean i will fulfill your request!

[january]

Looker is an enigma to me. Like the wagon has only little resistance which makes me feel bad about it, not even survivalistic behaviour, but there isn't coming anything noteworthy from him. Instead that Wake vote, fingerpointing at jan and finally that awful Saudade vote. Like I can overlook Wake's vote if I ignore logic, but that's nothing redeeming.

A bigger enigma is how someone can fake a guilty, get caught, confess and have no heat thrown their way by anyone. No one will even tell me what the purpose was. Is this because I thought votes reset when you replaced in? I don't think an honest mistake should outweigh a vindictive exploit. But, hey, don't mind me; I'm "awful".

hm but i didn’t “get caught” and frankly i think you’re purposely misrepresenting me and ignoring what i’ve said (lol sound familiar, garmr?)
i could have just kept the claim of guilty on u and we’d honestly be in the exact same spot. except you’d be lynched faster
but i didn’t
not sure why you’re portraying that as scummy when i have basically no reason to retract it as scum

if you’re town i guess i’ll say sorry but i won’t really mean it because you haven’t even attempted to towntell so it’s really on you

[january]

sorry have been super busy the last few days but back now

skitter wanna hammer
i think this is the one lynch i’m actually correct on and i have never confident on a lynch before lol

[january]

wait what is your question

[january]

i get either motion, no motion, or roleblocked/action failed or whatever i think

[january]

yeah sorry roleblocked would be the same as action failed so like no result for both
sorry trying to avoid accidentally quoting pm

[january]

wouldn’t the masons already be balancing FL’s role
i’m assuming mason as a role would always show as complex right
so it’s like either he finds mafia or outs a mason

i’d say probably a vanilla scum too would probably be enough to balance?
idk that much about setup balancing, mostly play open setups altho i’ve tried to design a few setups but they kinda all turned out unbalanced lol
dunno whether it’s worth the effort to try to speculate to nsg’s previous setups? feels like her other setup that i saw was a lot more simpler in terms of modifiers but this ones got way more role modifiers

[january]

guessing the announcing part would balance most of it out bc scum would know they got investigated right
and FL can either out and they kill him or he doesn’t out but they’re looking for him

that being said i think it’s extremely unlikely that there’s a protective role in this game with FL being way too powerful for a follow the cop kind of play and my role being pretty strong w finding conftowns

my role is so fkin weird it’s like mostly useless as a motion detector but it’s basically a cop with the modifier
also almost 100% sure maf has some sort of roleblocking power, since i’m assuming there’s no town ascetic otherwise they would have claimed already

so id say 1 nilla maf to counter FL’s role and a roleblock ability of some sort to counter mine
if protective role exists then maybe strongman to counter
i think a neighborhood AND masons would be a little weird but it’s possible i guess. if a neighborhood exists it’s definitely maf

[january]

i’m just talking to myself at this point but anyone who sees this feel free to agree or disagree or call me a complete idiot

lol

[january]

gonna do a lil bit of nka
i don’t particularly like using this bc there’s usually some wifom involved and it’s usually easier for maf to fake frame people compared to actually towntelling
but might as well add it since i’m here and awake and have nothing better to do

[january]

I mean Una could as well been killed off for this D1 post #471

I don't think my trophies really match with my aforementioned

ascetic

values, but they do make me feel better just by being on display. And I guess that's all that matter.

not sure if i’m seeing the same thing as u skellen
was this what u were talking about wrt 471? or was there something else PR-softy or something

[january]

oops that wasn’t a saudade quote no idea how i messed up that formatting

[january]

combed through that whole post 3 times without finding anything besides just a weird post in general lol

[january]

gamma kill kinda makes sense to me i probably would have gone for them tbh
seemed like he would probably be very difficult to lynch later on

i actually did think una was towny but i don’t think anyone else agreed with me on that so i think he was either killed as a PR read somehow (trying to figure out this rn) or because he was pushing on scum and they got scared. but i don’t think the scum pushing thing would be as likely unless he was pushing on multiple scum

i saw what skellen said abt gamma and una’s reads but i think so far that gamma actually said they didn’t fos garmr(?) or at least didn’t really want them lynched. idk just wanted to put that there. gonna check on una now
atm i think it’s most likely scum thought una was PR for some reason, maybe something from the 471 post that i missed or don’t understand, or maybe the ascetic thing although i’m not exactly sure why scum would try to kill ascetic

[january]

I guess Tictac could be an OK lynch..if their wagon wasn't full of players I do not currently trust.

at the time, votes on tictac were FL, gamma, maria, dunn
maria’s slot is the only living one here
he didn’t quite push on anyone specific here besides tictac tho, so i don’t think it could have been this post that got him killed

645 feels like a minor push on Non’s slot (currently creature, was suji), will see if una continues this push anywhere
863 is funny. almost completely nai but i like it. didn’t have to mention it here lol but i want to

i guess 1243 might have been/seemed like a PR soft? not sure how far i’m stretching right now just to fit into this read

1320 seems like a pretty obvious “not PR claim” imo? think i might have just completely skipped over trying to read this as PR / not PR earlier but hindsight maybe (?) either way i don’t see how Una was anybody’s PR read

Spoiler: garmr push

january is still obvtown

garmr is still scummy

i feel like voting him again
the other people who are good votes: dunn, una, tictac, wake

VOTE: garmr

OK, now THIS I didn't foresee..

@Saudade - get in on some of this.

We lynch Garmr today.
If they flip town, there's nothing to stop a Dunn-lynch tomorrow.
Followed by a red flip and a skitter-lynch.

And if Garmr flips scum..well.
Scumdade much?

Wanna go?

VOTE: Garmr

begins suggesting voting garmr at 1608, but literally just stops mentioning it after this... don’t think it was at a point where garmr would feel particularly uncomfy with the pressure, although it definitely does suggest a future vote on garmr

Spoiler: wake push

You'd rather Dunn not claim at L-1, to possibly prevent a mislynch?

You asking for a claim when you

refuse

to vote him, means that his claim doesn't affect your voting at all.
Hence, his claim shouldn't be of any interest to you.

You wanting to hear a claim makes me think one of two scenarios.
1) You are scum, and know he is town. Therefore you can position yourself like this. Not gonna vote, but hearing a claim is still helpful to you.
2) You are in the same scumteam, and you want him to make a claim that might get him out of the pinch.

And therefore, scumbinned.

he starts pushing wake at 1621 for the tictac claim thing. stronger push than on garmr but still(?) not that strong of a push. sorta kinda get where he’s coming from but i think he just misunderstood wake’s post. also don’t think wake would have felt too much pressure from an easily explain-away-able fos.

therefore after all of this work... i have found that i do not see any strong reason scum would have killed una. it might still be there, idk, but i can’t find it

i don’t want to read my own posts to edit them so
sorry it’s long

[january]

@jan:
Have limited access at work rn, so I will do it without quoting.

Read Una's post again, he crumbed a Vig shot (pistol) that he was going to holster and an investigative ability (grandpa's spyglass ) that he would use in that night. And as you said, ascetic.

Thought it was over the top, but well he crumbed it.

ohh gotcha

i mean
he’s definitely not all 3 (lol) but i guess i could sorta see that

[january]

Also I really doubt that there is a scum Neighborizer, way too many false positives for FL, especially if not all scum are prs.

I suspect they are in some way informed of the Masons though.

was looking for literal words but that is quite an over the top soft lol