Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

gobbledygook · Post Post #3050 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:53 am

I’m definitely hammer testing Creature right now. If he isn’t hammered then he is scum.

Titus · Post Post #3051 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:53 am

In post 3049, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3045, Titus wrote:
In post 3043, gobbledygook wrote:I am not scum and literally don’t understand how you came to that conclusion.
Not saying you were scum or town. Just that you're likely aligned with Alch and Creature but even now I waffle there.

Your actions today don't have a consistent trajectory ag all.
If Creature flips scum, then I’m pretty clearly not aligned with Creature. Alchemist becomes confscum and Drew becomes conftown.

Explain please.
Also, do the Creature town scenario.

Titus · Post Post #3052 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:54 am

In post 3050, gobbledygook wrote:I’m definitely hammer testing Creature right now. If he isn’t hammered then he is scum.

Foundation for this?

Titus · Post Post #3053 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:57 am

Mod which acts first, protection or vanillaizer?

Ex: Adam heals Baker.
Scum vanillaize Adam.
Scum shoot Baker.

Does Baker die? (Suppose no other night actions or modifiers. )

Baker would die.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3054 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:00 am

In post 3052, Titus wrote:
In post 3050, gobbledygook wrote:I’m definitely hammer testing Creature right now. If he isn’t hammered then he is scum.
Foundation for this?

There are very likely 4 scum alive because Metallica flavor and also the size of the game means 13:4 scum.

Creature has 3 votes on him. Today is Mylo with a lynch threshold of 7. I am tow. I townread Chennisden. I townread Drew. That means 4 votes are left to hammer him. Those 4 votes could be the scum team. If he doesn’t get hammered after a few days, it means the scumteam doesn’t want to hammer him because he is a member of the scumream.

It is possible I am wrong about Chennisden or Drew. But if Creature is town his wagon will show that by a flood of votes to hammer. Currently, it does not show that. We need to wait for a few days so the acumteam could realistically have a chance to hammer Creature. If after a few more days he is not hammered, he is fairly likely to be scum.

Scum do not want to go for a bus right now because they are so close to winning and this town is pretty disjointed. It wouldn’t be hard to get one more mislynch for the win.

My pick for the team is {JJH, Yurkin, Alchemist, Creature} for what is is worth.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3055 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:01 am

In post 3051, Titus wrote:
In post 3049, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3045, Titus wrote:
In post 3043, gobbledygook wrote:I am not scum and literally don’t understand how you came to that conclusion.
Not saying you were scum or town. Just that you're likely aligned with Alch and Creature but even now I waffle there.

Your actions today don't have a consistent trajectory ag all.
If Creature flips scum, then I’m pretty clearly not aligned with Creature. Alchemist becomes confscum and Drew becomes conftown.
Explain please.
Also, do the Creature town scenario.

Scum do not want to bus right now since they are only one mislynch away from victory. Therefore, if Creature is town, he will get hammered and town will lose.

Titus · Post Post #3056 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:03 am

In post 3054, gobbledygook wrote:JJH, Yurkin, Alchemist, Creature}

How do you get around the fact Yurkin was vanillaized night 1?

gobbledygook · Post Post #3057 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:03 am

Also my other result was Doctor Drew. He came back as a guitarist. That said I am going to full claim. I was only 3-shot and now I am out of shots.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3058 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:04 am

In post 3056, Titus wrote:
In post 3054, gobbledygook wrote:JJH, Yurkin, Alchemist, Creature}
How do you get around the fact Yurkin was vanillaized night 1?

My current theory is that Yurkin being vanillalized is that it is a gambit. Scum team knew that Yurkin was a double voter. This being a role madness game is makes 0 sense to vanillalized a town double voter when there are so many other town targets that would be better off vanillalized even if scum team did not know the power.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3059 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:05 am

Therefore I think that Yurkin is a scum double voter and was vanillalized as a way to show “he can’t possibly be scum if he was vanillalized!” Which is exactly what is happening right now

gobbledygook · Post Post #3060 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:06 am

Vanillalizing your own teammate seems like a very Wake thing to do, which also fits into my Creature scumread.

Titus · Post Post #3061 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:07 am

In post 3059, gobbledygook wrote:Therefore I think that Yurkin is a scum double voter and was vanillalized as a way to show “he can’t possibly be scum if he was vanillalized!” Which is exactly what is happening right now

You're going for scum vanillaizing themselves night 1 when Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

Titus · Post Post #3062 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:08 am

I could see Drew as a gambit but not really Yurkin.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3063 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:24 am

In post 3061, Titus wrote:
In post 3059, gobbledygook wrote:Therefore I think that Yurkin is a scum double voter and was vanillalized as a way to show “he can’t possibly be scum if he was vanillalized!” Which is exactly what is happening right now
You're going for scum vanillaizing themselves night 1 when Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.

I agree it goes against Occam’s but would you really vanillalized a known double voter in a role madness game? Seems like the least useful or efficient use of that role.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3064 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:27 am

Also why was Alchemist not vanillalized

Titus · Post Post #3065 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:16 am

In post 3064, gobbledygook wrote:Also why was Alchemist not vanillalized

That's part of why I don't trust his guilty 100%.

Titus · Post Post #3066 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:16 am

In post 3063, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3061, Titus wrote:
In post 3059, gobbledygook wrote:Therefore I think that Yurkin is a scum double voter and was vanillalized as a way to show “he can’t possibly be scum if he was vanillalized!” Which is exactly what is happening right now
You're going for scum vanillaizing themselves night 1 when Occam's Razor suggests otherwise.
I agree it goes against Occam’s but would you really vanillalized a known double voter in a role madness game? Seems like the least useful or efficient use of that role.

It's known, visible, and confirmable.

Titus · Post Post #3067 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:20 am

VOTE: Alchemist

Alchemist21 · Post Post #3068 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:23 am

Titus don’t do this to me.

Titus · Post Post #3069 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:39 am

It's just the logical move.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #3070 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:48 am

I tried to keep the players engaged with each other early D1.
I cleared a Miller claim and took it out of the lynch pool.
I held off on stating my guilty to maximize info and worked with you in the hood about this.

Scum doesn’t do all of those things.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3071 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:49 am

In post 3069, Titus wrote:It's just the logical move.

You should vote Creature with me.

Titus · Post Post #3072 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:51 am

In post 3070, Alchemist21 wrote:I tried to keep the players engaged with each other early D1.
I cleared a Miller claim and took it out of the lynch pool.
I held off on stating my guilty to maximize info and worked with you in the hood about this.

Scum doesn’t do all of those things.

If you're correct, then the vote patterns should show it.

Titus · Post Post #3073 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:52 am

In post 3071, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3069, Titus wrote:It's just the logical move.
You should vote Creature with me.

I'm not really enthused about being on a wagon with you because of your inconsistent Drew and Alch comments.

gobbledygook · Post Post #3074 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:58 am

In post 3073, Titus wrote:
In post 3071, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3069, Titus wrote:It's just the logical move.
You should vote Creature with me.
I'm not really enthused about being on a wagon with you because of your inconsistent Drew and Alch comments.

Understandable but Creature forced a massclaim D2 of a large and has done nothing protown this entire game so it is safer to see if Alchemist works itself out.