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[Saudade]

Does anyone scumread me(mason) btw?

Looker thinks me and you are a team combo

I think me and you in a scum team would be lethal and highly confusing

[Garmr]

Do you have me confused with someone else? Maybe that was a joke.

sorry you and una look the same. Lol I don't know why I keep mixxing up una with other people.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. I am here, and will do a quick catch up. I will be fairly inactive until after tomorrow is over, however.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: january

[skitter30]

VOTE: january

no, she's the towniest person in this game

[Sujimichi]

I disagree. She comes across as not actually trying to determine others’ alignment; she is reactionary; and, her waffling around Flavor Leaf at the end of yesterday was suspect. I also did not like her recent interaction with Garmr surrounding his fake claim (which I also do not like).

[Chemist1422]

VOTE COUNT 2.04

tictac [1]:

skitter30

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

skitter30 [2]:

Dunnstral, tictac

Garmr [0]:

january [1]:

Sujimichi

Looker [0]:

Dunnstral [5] [L-1]:

Skellen, Saudade, january, Garmr, UnaBombaH

Sujimichi [0]:

UnaBombaH [0]:

Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [2]:

Wake88, Looker

With 11 in play, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-02 22:00:00)

Notes

- skitter30 is regularly V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays
- Wake88 has limited access until 12/26
- Skellen has limited access until 12/26
- Happy Holidays!

[january]

I disagree. She comes across as not actually trying to determine others’ alignment; she is reactionary; and, her waffling around Flavor Leaf at the end of yesterday was suspect. I also did not like her recent interaction with Garmr surrounding his fake claim (which I also do not like).

waffling means uncertainty doesn't it?

where the hell was i uncertain???

[january]

UNVOTE:
i promised a skit read and i'm doing it today

[Sujimichi]

You weren’t waffling in your lack of wanting Flavor Leaf lynched (until your last post, which was odd given your previous posts). You were waffling in your read, and kept it (intentionally, I believe) in the center.

Spoiler:

Not really, fuck your weird ass claims

do it again next game pls

one day they will learn

@Dunn - I only think about repercussions when I’m scum. Town I just do whatever comes into my mind

doubt this is totally true
but once again i don't think it's coming from scum

Yeah i'm basically at the point where i dont think i'd hammer but i wouldnt prevent other people from doing it

almost this
but i actually DO want to stop people from doing it

saudade wanna agree on a different wagon
pls

I was actually going to say i changed my mind on FL at around #1122
mostly due to the stuff about "i'm too scummy and i don't act like this as mafia"

but i like his last few pages way too much
i think the part about being "too scummy" was just him taking a gambit that just... really didn't work out
now sure this can be extra-next-next-level play but i don't think it's worth lynching him today either way

just curious though - why do you expect to live after claiming some sort of PR regardless?

Which is what I was trying to hide for a few nights before I flipped.

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

this is valid but just doesn't really apply here imo

but my point is
i think he's lying but i don't/didn't think he was lying about it as scum - based on other games i think he just does it all the time

not nearly as sure anymore if it's town anymore but i'm not lynching him today

[skitter30]

I forgot that suji is probably town too

We should keep the pressure on dunn btw

[skitter30]

Suji, january, how do you both read tictac?

[january]

You weren’t waffling in your lack of wanting Flavor Leaf lynched (until your last post, which was odd given your previous posts). You were waffling in your read, and kept it (intentionally, I believe) in the center.

Spoiler:

Not really, fuck your weird ass claims

do it again next game pls

one day they will learn

@Dunn - I only think about repercussions when I’m scum. Town I just do whatever comes into my mind

doubt this is totally true
but once again i don't think it's coming from scum

Yeah i'm basically at the point where i dont think i'd hammer but i wouldnt prevent other people from doing it

almost this
but i actually DO want to stop people from doing it

saudade wanna agree on a different wagon
pls

I was actually going to say i changed my mind on FL at around #1122
mostly due to the stuff about "i'm too scummy and i don't act like this as mafia"

but i like his last few pages way too much
i think the part about being "too scummy" was just him taking a gambit that just... really didn't work out
now sure this can be extra-next-next-level play but i don't think it's worth lynching him today either way

just curious though - why do you expect to live after claiming some sort of PR regardless?

Which is what I was trying to hide for a few nights before I flipped.

I don't know about you but when I personally am hunting for Scum I look for inconsistency in both claim and views because that usually tells me there's a lie in there. When you're honest, you either have your ducks in a row or you're forgetful or something like it.

this is valid but just doesn't really apply here imo

but my point is
i think he's lying but i don't/didn't think he was lying about it as scum - based on other games i think he just does it all the time

not nearly as sure anymore if it's town anymore but i'm not lynching him today

not sure how this comes off as being in the center
i townread FL and i didn't want him lynched
pretty sure every one of your quotes here except for the bottom one is me saying "FL wouldn't do this as scum" or "i think FL is town"

[january]

Suji, january, how do you both read tictac?

townier than maria/dunn
probably same level as garmr? ish?

t > s
skitter > saudade > Sujimichi > Una > Skellen > Wake > tictac > Garmr > Dunn > looker

[january]

whoops looker not maria* idk why i keep forgetting

[january]

i'll explain that but in the middle of something rn

[Saudade]

You are in the middle of planning your next murderizer arent you

[Looker]

VOTE COUNT 2.04

Who is this beautiful imposter?

Suji, january, how do you both read tictac?

townier than maria/dunn
probably same level as garmr? ish?

t > s
skitter > saudade > Sujimichi > Una > Skellen > Wake > tictac > Garmr > Dunn > looker

Are these reads or are you answering a question with a question? Also, can you provide justification for this "t > s" because your ISO doesn't line up with these assertions.

i'll explain that but in the middle of something rn

I'm not accustomed to statements like these being actually followed up, so I'm hoping you prove me wrong and surprise me.

---

I'm not going to say who, but I'm waiting for a certain player to post.

[Saudade]

Is it Dunn

[january]

that’s a good point lol

it's not

i meant @ your point not skit's

[january]

she's pocketing you.

jan's my strongest tr rn

skitter's been successfully pocketed

in my op skitter is the towniest here so if me townreading my townread is... scummy... then sucks i guess lol

-no ok i do see how you might think it's buddying/pocketing but it's not. trying to stick with my tr's and not be paranoid unless there's a good reason to be, i've kinda realized i overthink way too much and (usually) my gut townreads are right

ofc it could be skit pocketing me but i don't think so
---
anyways i promised an analysis so here it is

to be completely honest, my

initial

thoughts on skitter were mostly just tone & the fact that she was engaging with me where others weren't. didn't hurt that she kept calling me town d1 (:
i think i said this some other time earlier but that initially was probably some sort of "presence" read based on reputation + activity. a little bit of a tone read but that's usually something i'm about 5% confident about (i.e. not really a read). and there was definitely a lot of paranoia (esp that banner staring at me...)

but anyways - my case on skitter, separated into different sections
---
1 - FL progression
first thing: FL was a good lynch for mafia. i believe mafia was driving the lynch on him, not town
if skit had tried to force a lynch between herself and FL, skit would have won. i don't see scum!skit backing off of the lynch and trying to make a counterwagon on garmr when FL is a much larger threat. skit made it extremely clear that she thought FL was maf, and if she had pushed on him it'd be justified by her reads (as well as the majority of other people's). so she COULD have voted him.
scum!skit there would probably know (or at least be pretty confident) that FL was a power role, so she'd want FL lynched asap, especially with all the mess of his claim. scum skit wouldn't be trying to get people off the lynch
it's possible that she's scum trying to join a counterwagon to distance from the lynch. but:
1 - i don't think there was any reason for her to get off of the FL wagon
and stronger point:
2 - the wagon on FL wasn't at all established. the only possibility if she was scum is that at some point around vote log 1.14 (which is when she started asking ppl to vote dunn/garmr), there was some sort of plan for her partners to push for FL lynch. possible, but not likely - would have been much easier for her to push for it

Spoiler: vote log 1.14

VOTE COUNT 1.14

tictac [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf [3]:

UnaBombaH, tictac, MariaR

skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

MariaR [1]:

Garmr

Dunnstral [2]:

Saudade, skitter30

Sujimichi [1]:

Flavor Leaf

UnaBombaH [1]:

Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald [0]:

Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [4]:

Wake88, january, Skellen, Sujimichi

With 13 in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-21 22:10:00)

Notes

- skitter30 is regularly V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays
- Sujimichi is the new Non lmh

[january]

so fucking long im sorry

[january]

that was only part 1...

intermission then i'll finish the 2nd part

i'll explain that but in the middle of something rn

I'm not accustomed to statements like these being actually followed up, so I'm hoping you prove me wrong and surprise me.

i always keep my promises
just depends on how long it takes me

[january]

sorry i was putting this off for a while it was in my head but i just couldn't put it to words
and it's probably still not very well put-into-words but whatever i tried

[Garmr]

Just going to add Skellen shouldn't be forgotten. She did this last game as scum. She towned it up in a couple of posts and then came around from time to time to keep the impression up. So I'm a little wary of her at the moment.