Mini Normal 2111 [Game Over!]

[january]

ok actually i'm lazy and i'll just include pt 2 while explaining my reads

Skellen shouldn't be forgotten

i don't think anyone was forgetting them..

[Garmr]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

[Garmr]

ok actually i'm lazy and i'll just include pt 2 while explaining my reads

Skellen shouldn't be forgotten

i don't think anyone was forgetting them..

No ones pushing them or Done anything noticeable with her.

[skitter30]

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

I havent been mislynched in like a year and a half, so ... no

Your reads are like upside-down to mine, and i find this concerning

[Garmr]

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

I havent been mislynched in like a year and a half, so ... no

Your reads are like upside-down to mine, and i find this concerning

But we agree on Dunn. I think everyone agree's on dunn.

Also you should find it concerning if you are town. Because it means I'm right and your wrong. Well at least with flavor. I was starting to warm up to gamma. Can't believe he scum read me for such shit reasoning.

[skitter30]

the gamestate + ease of wagon kinda makes me think dunn is town, tbh

but he needs to like ~do stuff~

[january]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

I think you're misreading everything lol

i did not never considered that you were town ( i did consider you could be town )
i don't believe i even ever said you were scum for the gambit

here's how i explained it earlier

if you were scum complex/simple fruit vendor then clearly it’s better for skit not to claim? i townread skit more than i townread you, so i don’t think it’s worth her potentially outing as PR just so that YOU can say whether she’s town or not (which isn’t confirmed at all imo anyways)? does this make sense?
basically her outing the fruit would mean that i’m relying on your word to confirm whether she’s town or not, and i tr her more than you so that wouldn’t be very helpful

i know this was badly worded (everything i say is badly worded sorry)

the possible situations are:
1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

given that I think #1 & #2 are the most likely, and there is virtually no utility for skit to claim if #2 is true, and negative utility for skit to claim if #1 is true
therefore it is better for skit not to claim

[january]

anyways thats a lot of words to explain that skit shouldn't claim even if you can be town

[Garmr]

I noticed day 1 Jan town read me ect while I was scum reading skitter. She had no problem then. When I pulled my gambit she did a 180 and really provided no reason to scum read me. If she thought I was somewhat townie before my gambit she never considered the option I was town or actually trying to gather skitters reaction. This shows to me that her reads are shallow and just for show. That's she's just trying to be on the right side of a conflict instead of actually reading people.

I think you're misreading everything lol

i did not never considered that you were town ( i did consider you could be town )
i don't believe i even ever said you were scum for the gambit

here's how i explained it earlier

if you were scum complex/simple fruit vendor then clearly it’s better for skit not to claim? i townread skit more than i townread you, so i don’t think it’s worth her potentially outing as PR just so that YOU can say whether she’s town or not (which isn’t confirmed at all imo anyways)? does this make sense?
basically her outing the fruit would mean that i’m relying on your word to confirm whether she’s town or not, and i tr her more than you so that wouldn’t be very helpful

i know this was badly worded (everything i say is badly worded sorry)

the possible situations are:
1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

given that I think #1 & #2 are the most likely, and there is virtually no utility for skit to claim if #2 is true, and negative utility for skit to claim if #1 is true
therefore it is better for skit not to claim

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

[Saudade]

just lynch dunn and if hes town then hes town lmao

[Wake1]

V/LA until 12/26. Merry Christmas all.

[Garmr]

just lynch dunn and if hes town then hes town lmao

Could be town don't really care atm.

[skitter30]

january is still obvtown

garmr is still scummy

i feel like voting him again
the other people who are good votes: dunn, una, tictac, wake

VOTE: garmr

[january]

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

u really just don’t want to read and that’s ok! i know it was long but did you read the part where i said you could be town?
probably not but i don’t know why i’m required to townread you just because i gave a townread on you on d1

reads change, doesn’t mean i’m inconsistent
maybe it means you’re just scummy today and i was wrong yesterday

[january]

christmas eve party today so i’ll do stuff tomorrow

skit- can u explain why you think maria is town?

[january]

sht sorry looker* is town

[skitter30]

christmas eve party today so i’ll do stuff tomorrow

skit- can u explain why you think maria is town?

mostly because mariar felt exactly the same as she did in open 769

[Garmr]

merry Christmas all

[Looker]

Merry Christmas, Skellen/UnaBombah. And the rest of you. And Dunnstral.

[tictac]

1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

1. no, i didn't get fruit

2. Presumably Garm gambited for the benefit of his own reads. Ya saying an interaction is pointless unless ya personally benefit from it is silly. Other people are playing this game too.
3. if that happened skitter would be lynched. scum-garm had zero motivation to initiate a 1v1 trade there.
4. that I agree with.

the presented town motivation to withhold that info is inconsistent with skitt later sharing it freely.

the scum motivation to withhold that info is clear:
-if skitt says 'fruit' she is quiltied by gambiting!garm
-if skitt sayis 'no fruit' she is guiltied by at the time unlikely but possible loyal fruivendor garm.
scum!skitt does not wish to be quiltied, thus: no answer.

inconsistent town-narrative + consistent scum-narrative => scum

[Garmr]

Nah you are full of fucking shit. Every action I did day 1 you are like oh that's townie oh this could be townie. your not fucking consistent.

u really just don’t want to read and that’s ok! i know it was long but did you read the part where i said you could be town?
probably not but i don’t know why i’m required to townread you just because i gave a townread on you on d1

reads change, doesn’t mean i’m inconsistent
maybe it means you’re just scummy today and i was wrong yesterday

Yeah reads change like how I scum read you. The problem is a lack of reasoning you have trouble going from point A to Point B. A fruit claim can come from either alignment and isn't alignment indicative. The natural reaction to someone asking for fruit isn't they are scum. It's obvious I scum read skitter since day 1. Thus your reaction was your failure as a scum player to get in the mind set of townie.

[skitter30]

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

again because it was apparent at that point that there was no fruit

it didn't matter at that point, i wasn't telling him anything

[Garmr]

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

again because it was apparent at that point that there was no fruit

it didn't matter at that point, i wasn't telling him anything

If I was scum and a fruit vendor and said I was gambiting I would of tricked you into leaking out the information. If you said iIgot a fruit Then I could of been like aha I knew you got it you are town or guilty ect what ever suited my narrative.

So if you are town you slipped up if you actually thought I was scum fruit vendor. Luckily for you I'm town and fruit vendor isn't my role.

[skitter30]

i know i didn't get fruit

you eventually said it was a gambit and that there was, in fact, no fruit

at that point i said i didn't get fruit

i wasnt' giving anybody new information at that point.

[Garmr]

i know i didn't get fruit

you eventually said it was a gambit and that there was, in fact, no fruit

at that point i said i didn't get fruit

i wasnt' giving anybody new information at that point.

Yeah your not getting it. If i'm scum I could of been lying about it being a gambit so you'd let your guard down and give the Answer. But your lucky because I'm town and it as a gambit.