Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[gobbledygook]

Gobble I would like you to explain now why you would do that

Or explain why those posts don't show you're ascetic

Im obviously not ascetic. I was vanillalized last night. The fact that JJh INSTANTLY knows I’m lying shows he had prior knowledge I can’t have a result means he knows scum vanillalized me.

[gobbledygook]

Damnit

I've been working on the assumption you were town Gobble

I am town. JJH made a claim of hider for literally the reasons that Creature is trying to spew into the game to give him plausible deniability when creature flips scum.

[jjh927]

And there's the "You must be scum because you knew I was lying"

[chennisden]

That relies on the assumption Creature flips scum.

[chennisden]

Gobble I have more reason to believe JJH over you

[gobbledygook]

But JJh master fake claim/setup extraordinare has been almost completely silent on that front until I asked him point blank yesterday about Alch and drew and even then he was trying to keep his options open because I was waffling so hard he thought he could still buy a mislynch from me.

Like JJh is not stupid. He knows he’s suspected. He knows he can reduce the lynch pool without any repercussions to town and hides behind CREATURE. One of the most suspected people in the game other than Alch yesterday.

[chennisden]

Anyway what both of you are exhibiting, though jjh to a larger extent, is fancy player syndrome

When you think you have some really specific plan or do some weird shenanigans

It's more often than not a towntell

So can you guys unvote each other for now

[jjh927]

And if you were town you could probably wait until I'm ready to say the things I need to

[gobbledygook]

That relies on the assumption Creature flips scum.

I mean they’re both scum but I would rather get rid of JJH because I think he/Yoda are the vanillalizer. They are the only unconfirmed roles so we should be aiming there explicitly because we KNOW a vanillalizer exists.

[chennisden]

I don't get the jump from "he knew I was lying" to "he's totally scum"

[chennisden]

There's also basically no more town power so the "going for vanillaizer" think starts to look more and more like an excuse

[gobbledygook]

I don't get the jump from "he knew I was lying" to "he's totally scum"

I mean he’s scum for his fencesitting on Alch/Drew claim yesterday when he has previously stated in this claim he would know a fake claim, for his lurking going into MyLo, and for his super suboptimal Creature hide. Him knowing I was lying is just icing on the cake.

[gobbledygook]

There's also basically no more town power so the "going for vanillaizer" think starts to look more and more like an excuse

YOU ARE STILL A TOWN POWER DUDE. IF YODA ON THE OFF CHANCE IS TELLING THE TRITH ITS POSSIBLE YOU GET A GOOD RESULT. I would rather that then go for Creature. Especially when I think JJh and Alch were the puppeteers behind that Alch fakeclaim yesterday

[chennisden]

I KNOW

[chennisden]

BUT THE LIKELYHOOD OF THAT ACTUALLY WORKING <<<<<<< LIKELYHOOD OF US FUCKING UP

[jjh927]

I did just demonstrate that I can tell when people are lying when I have all the information to go off

I'm less sure about Drew lying after the Alch flip for both the obvious reasons as well as specifics of the traffic analyst pm

[jjh927]

The only time I can think of that I was wrong was on Aristophanes with a beautifully handcrafted fakeclaim in some upick

[chennisden]

Also here's the thing

Scum would wait for town to call your fake ascetic claim out, because they would know you're lying

[chennisden]

Gobble I don't think JJH was trying to suicide, it's very obvious he was doing the opposite

[gobbledygook]

Like wtf. Why hide behind Creature. I was entertaining that in some weird world your role exists but the creature hide is just literally awful. I can’t think of a single protown reason to do that.

[gobbledygook]

I mean Chennis you also misplayed by claiming your result first thing. You could have found the vanillalizer so you claiming immediately let’s them off Scott free

[gobbledygook]

I’m gonna literally suicide if Chennis is scum and I’m left with a town comprising two of Yoda, Yurkin, BS. Like holy hell is that a team to carry

[chennisden]

Yeah that's true

[chennisden]

Ok gobble

I think scum are kind of outed but only kind of, and we win by not letting paranoia take over

[Creature]

I mean they’re both scum but I would rather get rid of JJH because I think he/Yoda are the vanillalizer.

chennis tracked him to nowhere N3 the same night Drew was vanillaized?