Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[Yodavader]

Hello everybody. VOTE: pisskop because you are at the top of the player list and I wanted that spot.

[Yodavader]

I don't know who Mayhem is.

[Yodavader]

Hello everybody. VOTE: pisskop because you are at the top of the player list and I wanted that spot.

maybe next time be a cool enough guy to be invited

Aww, I suck again.

[Yodavader]

I'm noticing a lot of 2019 join dates. I'm hoping people don't get overwhelmed by the post volume and we don't end up in situation where half the game is getting replaced.

I played an okay amount back in the day (2006-2008) on WotC boards and then just fell out of Mafia for a while, mostly because I didn't do forums and also I didn't like IRL Mafia games. I recently gained a lot of time on my hands with my current job so I decided to give forums Mafia a go again. I don't foresee anything that would stop me from completing this game, unless this game goes on for like 5 months or so. Do larger games last that long?

[Yodavader]

BTW there is a vanillaizer in the game.

BTW there is a vanillaizer in the game.

What is a vanillaizer?
How do you know?

I second this post. A lot of these roles are new to me so please explain.

[Yodavader]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanillaiser
This is a good source.

Cool, thanks. I kinda figured that was what it was going to be but wanted to make sure.

Now, why does Crimson think (know?) that there is one in the game.

[Yodavader]

So, trying to catch up on what is going on here. There are a lot of new terms and acronyms but I think I am getting the hang of it.

My thoughts on this whole yurkin situation:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have always thought that FoS's, in the end, really didn't mean anything. It doesn't get counted as a vote but more of a "I got my eye on you and you're leaning scummy but I want to wait to see what happens." But I do find that an FoS during the RVS is strange and a little jumpy.

Another thing that I find weird is that yurkin claims doublevoter but going through his posts, I can only see that he ever only put 1 vote out there. I don't know why he claimed doublevoter if he wasn't going to doublevote.

VOTE: very cool and not mafia

probably mafia

UNVOTE:

What is that reason?

It doesn't concerns you

You’re just bullshitting at this point. You know that FOS is indefensible; that’s why when pressed on it you tried to shift focus away from it to your RVS actions and citing this unspecified reason when you couldn’t shift the focus.

No you're being too stubborn

VOTE: very cool and not mafia

I'm double voter, gj making me claim

I'm not the official vote counter, but I count that as +1, -1, +1. Or did I miss a vote somewhere.

[Yodavader]

1 count as 2, not two separate votes

ok. I didn't know if that was the case or if you could split your votes.

[Yodavader]

1 count as 2, not two separate votes

I think =.=

Finally someone acknowledges FoS and vote are different entities, ty yoda

they are, i was fos'ing you this entire time. fos is pressuring someone without voting.
you havent voted, so fos on someone looks really odd

Ok, I get that now too. Then, yes, it does look odd, since yurkin had a free vote (unless his RVS was a real vote, but I'm sure it was an RVS vote) but chose to FoS instead. Unless the person (me, in this case as the FoS recipient) is at L-1, or L-2 in your case as double voter, a vote should have been placed instead of an FoS. I think I got that straight.

On a side note, I should really work on my parenthesis and comma usages. That hurt my head trying to make it work without using all commas.

[Yodavader]

Answering the prod. Sorry, I have been here but this game is a lot more intricate than I am used to. For now, the only thing that I know is that yurkin is probably not scum because I don't know if scum would have a double voter PR. I think that would be too overpowered. I'll go back through and try to figure some stuff out.

[Yodavader]

I'm trying to go through ISO's right now but how do experienced players deal with no posters? I know that my post counts are always low compared to everyone else but there are 3 people who are still in single digit posts and 2 of them only have 3 posts? Do we just wait for them to get replaced out?

[Yodavader]

I don't really know how to handle lurkers/inactives, even though I do come off as lurk-y. I'm really shy about posting because either I don't know what to say or I'm afraid that what I say will come off scummy. So, I try the best I can but forgive me if my post count is low.

[Yodavader]

I'm noticing a lot of 2019 join dates. I'm hoping people don't get overwhelmed by the post volume and we don't end up in situation where half the game is getting replaced.

I played an okay amount back in the day (2006-2008) on WotC boards and then just fell out of Mafia for a while, mostly because I didn't do forums and also I didn't like IRL Mafia games. I recently gained a lot of time on my hands with my current job so I decided to give forums Mafia a go again. I don't foresee anything that would stop me from completing this game, unless this game goes on for like 5 months or so. Do larger games last that long?

WotC = Wizards of the Coast right?

That would be correct.

[Yodavader]

I'm on the pins and needles

[Yodavader]

I guess I'm in the opposite boat. I will bandwagon to force a lynch, even if I'm not comfortable with the wagon. I hate having no lynches.

[Yodavader]

I'm on the pins and needles

Elaborate.

Yo i finally found something that caught my interest you fuckers need to post now

Flubber hasn't responded with what he's found yet, so as Gru said in Despicable Me "I'm on the pins and needles."

[Yodavader]

Wait, when did I miss a Mason claim?

VOTE: very cool and not mafia

probably mafia

no way im mafia, i have an alibi

Yeah Me.
Were Masons.

Though I think this was more of a joke statement.

[Yodavader]

*Doesn't know much if anything about the bands here.

*Doesn't remember any of the player their styles.

*Can't read the pink text on my phone.

*Thinking the Masons claim is probably a bluff.

*Day 1 sucks. I'll hammer whoever reaches L -1 first.

*Come at me Bro.

When you say that you will hammer at L-1, would you announce intent to hammer or just hammer?

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Why?

Why Lavender

Can't shake the feeling that they are scum.

Give me a second and I will post the quote tree, but didn't like the interactions (which led me to vote Crimson).

But, skimming Lavenders iso......really seems like someone trying to be VI.

Pre Edit: So, drunky........yes you do??

You are all scum. Change my mind.

I am not scum, because you are scum.
VOTE: Crimson97

Eh
Crimson's post actually feels towny to me

Maybe so maybe notz.

This whole interaction gives me the heebie-jeebies

VOTE: Lavender

Gamma, this is what I was talking about.

I just hate every post lavender has made since, and including, this.

VOTE: lavender

I'm not getting good vibes from this push on Lavender.
She is LHF town, I feel.

Sorry for my newbness but what's LHF?

[Yodavader]

Low hanging fruit

ok, thanks.

[Yodavader]

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.

VOTE: Emperor

I missed this earlier, all the lulz to you sir and/or madam.

Aw, I wanna be cool and get the reference. A hint maybe?

[Yodavader]

Nevermind, Google helped me.

[Yodavader]

Incoming Rolecard...

Spoiler:

Your role is

Jailor Goon

.

You are align with

Town

During the night choose 2 targets.
The first target will be the Jailor and the second target will be the player you drag to the Jailor.
The second target gets redirected to the Jailor if they used a Night action.
If the first target gets killed by the second target from redirection you will be aware of it.

So, a Goon that is town, forcing a PR role onto another player that you also force to be jailed, and also redirecting a night action? Thanks, my head hurts now.

[Yodavader]

I'm in the school of thought that there has to be a lynch each day but I don't like a lynch just based on just getting the day done with. I like to have a little substance with my lynches. The one exception is if we are under 12 hours until deadline, then bombs away.

[Yodavader]

I don't know if this is needed or not but UNVOTE: . I had PK as a random to start the game and kept it on him because I didn't like the shitposting that was going on but when I think about it, I don't think that he is the best place to keep my vote.

I don't like voting for a person who is about to be replaced without the replacement having a chance to play, at least with a couple of IRL days left before the end of the day.

[Yodavader]

I don't know if this is needed or not but UNVOTE: . I had PK as a random to start the game and kept it on him because I didn't like the shitposting that was going on but when I think about it, I don't think that he is the best place to keep my vote.

I don't like voting for a person who is about to be replaced without the replacement having a chance to play, at least with a couple of IRL days left before the end of the day.

Are you saying that you found EmperorFN scummy before and don't want to vote him now because he's replacing out, or do you have someone else who is more deserving of your vote?

I was on fence between EFN and PK and the more I though about it, the less I found PK scummy but didn't want to place a vote on EFN's slot because he was going to be replaced out and I would like to see how his replacement plays. That's just my rational. Though I know that I have to take EFN's play into consideration, I do try and give the benefit of the doubt to the person replacing in.

[Yodavader]

oops, missed my quoting format.

[Yodavader]

VOTE: Gamma

Someone say my name?

May I ask why?

[Yodavader]

And PK gets top spot on the player list and cake? This is madness. Though Happy Scumday.

[Yodavader]

VOTE: Titus

I really don't like people voting with no explanation as to why they are voting.

[Yodavader]

VOTE: pisskop

Care to explain why?

@Yoda
Why didn’t you push on this then?

That was what I still believe to be RVS. So to me, it really didn't even register. I guess people's votes in that time frame could be given a pass as to having a reason or not, even if it's a BS reason.

What I don't like about Titus' play is that they have now had 2 votes thrown out for no apparent reason since they have replaced in. I guess I've never liked that type of play, outside RVS.

[Yodavader]

Yoda, Day 1 in a game this size to me is RVS.

Ok. I would assume then that in smaller games, you would actually try on D1?

I'm learning a lot and yet it's still a lot more to take in, especially for a person who sucks at reading people and trying not to just sheep votes.

[Yodavader]

I do agree with Gamma that there are some folks here that aren't very attached to their votes. Though I guess it's their way of just trying to get past D1 so the game can actually begin?

[Yodavader]

I also agree that we need to lynch someone. I am in the same boat as Egix that I don't fully see Lavender as a full SR also but it's a wagon that seems to have the best traction.

VOTE: Lavender

[Yodavader]

Congrats Wake. By the way, I have this weird rash...

[Yodavader]

There's so many new phrases popping up and so fast, I'll have to spend a bit just trying to decipher all of them.

As for why I voted for Lavender, as I stated in my vote post, it was close to EoD and I just wanted to make sure that there was a lynch and yours had the most traction at the time. I hate no lynches. I try not to sheep votes until it gets close to EoD.

[Yodavader]

Man, this game is moving fast. Well, for me at least. I'm sure it's quite normal for most of you guys or even on the slower side.

I kind of want Egix to claim

intent to vote Egix

I don't see why you would not want to vote, since he isn't at L-1 and I don't think a lolhammer is going to fall in this game. Also, wouldn't this just be an FoS?

[Yodavader]

Man, this game is moving fast. Well, for me at least. I'm sure it's quite normal for most of you guys or even on the slower side.

I kind of want Egix to claim

intent to vote Egix

I don't see why you would not want to vote, since he isn't at L-1 and I don't think a lolhammer is going to fall in this game. Also, wouldn't this just be an FoS?

I just googled FoS and that is EXACTLY what I am doing and I am explaining it in the WORST way I could have possibly done lmfao.

I guess what I don't get is that you aren't going to have anyone claim if you don't put actual pressure on them. At the last VC, Egix was still at L-4 or something like that. Your vote would not make it to the point where he would need to claim. I think that the way most people play is that they don't claim until they are at L-1 and usually not without someone intending to hammer.

[Yodavader]

TSE, Gamma, Looker and Yadavader should claim their flavor.

I don't feel like I need to claim anything yet.

[Yodavader]

How common are mafia trackers?

This game seems to be full of roles, would a scum tracker be useful? I guess I don't know many of the possible visitation roles out there, besides the basic doc and cop, and now PT cop.

[Yodavader]

TSE, Gamma, Looker and Yadavader should claim their flavor.

What the fick is this btw

Asking scummy/ heavy NAI players to out their flavours so flavour cop can do his job.

But why those?
And Flubbernugget, Egix, Drew and Alchemist are all fine?

Flubber - simple check from Flavour Cop is not going to persuade town to believe he is town.
Egix - I agree here with you, this one could be in that set
Drew - There are few people townreading him, I am not sure if scum would want to come play this game while drunk, risking scumslip (this gives him townlean for me, not more, not less)
Alchemist - seems like obv town to me?

TSE - tracker claim (so lynching this is bad idea), but has illogical statements
Gamma - lurking
Looker/ Yadavader - they are both NAI to me and in shadow. Very likely to survive till endgame and not townreaded => good TI check

I understand but I always like to keep my hands close to my chest. So, unless there is reason for me to claim anything right now, I much prefer to stay silent on this issue.

I'm sorry, my mental health has destroyed me the past few days and it's hit harder because I thought that those days were behind me. If I were to continue playing here I would only be a detriment to everybody as I slowly become less and less active so I think it's probably best for myself and everyone playing, that I replace out. Thanks for the fun game so far everyone

Requesting Replacement

I hope things get better for you. I know how hard mental health issues are. I spent 10 years with depression all the while thinking I was okay.

[Yodavader]

Happy holidays; I'm in the middle of a PCS, so I apologize for not having more frequent access. I'll claim, vote, do pretty much whatever at this point - I'm just desperate to find a place to stay.

I don't think there is a need to do that. Also PCS as in Permanent Change of Station, i.e military move to another post?

[Yodavader]

@Blatant

Just going over your ISO. Are you willing or able to tell me who you targeted last night? I'm trying to figure out if I believe the Doc claim or not.

[Yodavader]

Ok. Just wanted to ask.

[Yodavader]

Also if you open YodaVader's ISO you'll see a lot of talking that isn't even scumhunting as opposed to what a new site joiner would do

I'm very skiddish about speaking out. I don't want to make a scene, mostly because I'm afraid that what I will say won't come out correctly and I know that I am very bad at a 1v1 argument.

As you can see from my "attempt" at Blatant, I don't know how to push the argument of why he won't tell me who he targeted because I don't want to be the guy that pushed a wagon on a claimed Doc. I still would like to try and figure out if the Doc claim is true but can't figure out a way to properly say it without coming off scummy.

[Yodavader]

How would someone passively vanillaize? Would they just have no control over their power? If so, then I believe that the vanillaizer could be either alignment since it could hurt scum just as much as town.

[Yodavader]

Yes, if you look at my games, I am usually one of the bottom in terms of post count. I don't talk much but I try to follow as best I can. I'm not good at all at scum hunting so I look at other people's arguments and decide from there who has the best reasons. I'm usually one of the middle to last people on wagons. I try not to sheep but I end up doing it a lot.

[Yodavader]

Next in list:

VOTE: YodaVader

Fine, if you must know, though I am doing this under protest. As I said before, I much prefer to keep all my cards close to my chest.

I am Paul Bostaph, drummer for Slayer from 1992–1996, 1997–2001, and since 2013.

I am a Bodyguard. Though I guess not a very good one. There is a randomness to my ability. I choose 3 people and get randomized to one of them. My ability only works against NK's, so if I am understanding this, any other ability passes right through me, like investigative, other protective, etc.

Happy???

[Yodavader]

Did I give too much info?

[Yodavader]

^^^

Lesson for next time.

[Yodavader]

I targeted PK, Alch, and JV. I got assigned to Alch.

[Yodavader]

Hey, at least try protecting doc claim next time.

Well, now I have a whole list of people to try and protect.

[Yodavader]

VOTE: Flub

[Yodavader]

Does Vanillaizer know if he succeeds?

Vanillaizer is informed their power worked (it would be complicated for me to go further into detail about this).

I asked this mod and I think that this might be relevant.
Chances are that Vanillaizer can steal the power he drains, or at least get a piece of information about who he drained.

I don't think they would be able to steal powers since yurkin was vanilised, there hasn't been a new double voter.

[Yodavader]

I never said my role was super duper guaranteed game winning powerful, just that it is stupid and anti-town to reveal it.

At this point in the game, wouldn't as much information as possible help catch scum?

For starters why did you tunnel Titus

Where did I tunnel Titus? I don't recall doing that. I suspected him because, as stated in Post 2674, "I didn't trust the cover of claims that was going around - I thought yours and pisskop's claim was the least confirmable."

Do you have a good reason to believe his role is not valuable

And if so

Why does his bluff make him scum

• I felt he was over-exaggerating the value of his role because, as stated in Post 2700, "If it was that great, I doubt we'd have four dead Town in a row."
  
• I never said Drew was scum or that his bluff implied as much. This is the second time you've potentially let slip foreknowledge of someone's role/alignment. First with Flubbernugget, now with Doctor Drew

Can you help me see how he let slip that he knew Drew's alignment? I'm not seeing it.

[Yodavader]

@Blatant

Just going over your ISO. Are you willing or able to tell me who you targeted last night? I'm trying to figure out if I believe the Doc claim or not.

I have a very good reason to not make that information public.

N1: BS
N2: TSE, [vanillised]

I didn't know that Doc's could target themselves. I assume this is the reason you didn't want to tell us who you targeted.

[Yodavader]

@Blatant

Just going over your ISO. Are you willing or able to tell me who you targeted last night? I'm trying to figure out if I believe the Doc claim or not.

I have a very good reason to not make that information public.

N1: BS
N2: TSE, [vanillised]

I didn't know that Doc's could target themselves. I assume this is the reason you didn't want to tell us who you targeted.

Normally they can't.

That makes me more suspicious. A claimed Doc that can target himself who should be a nice night kill for scum that is still alive and doesn't tell anyone until the next day that he was vanillized.

[Yodavader]

I understand. Though I don't think anyone claimed vanilla D2. I know Blatant asked someone if they were vanillized. I just don't remember who and it's my bedtime so I don't want to go searching for it.

[Yodavader]

Was Yurkin proven to be a double voter before being vanilllized?

Also, I am pretty sure Chennisden is confirmed town because of TSE.

yurkin was conf doublevoter by VC and vanilized by VC

[Yodavader]

I'm having a hard time choosing from Alch, Drew, Creature, and Blatant.

Between Alch and Drew, I'm sure one of them is lying. Though I tend to believe investigatives.

I still don't know if I fully believe Blatant. Again, a prime scum kill N1 since he claimed Doc and nothing happened to him. The last time I played with someone who I thought was a prime scum target at night that didn't get killed that night turned out to be scum, so that's what keeps Blatant on my list. I know that this is a different game and all but it still sits on the back of my mind.

I just didn't like the brashness of Creatures claim push. Seems a perfect way to get targets on the most powerful remaining PRs.

But I just don't know who is the safest choice.

[Yodavader]

Was Yurkin proven to be a double voter before being vanilllized?

Also, I am pretty sure Chennisden is confirmed town because of TSE.

yurkin was conf doublevoter by VC and vanilized by VC

I'm having a hard time choosing from Alch, Drew, Creature, and Blatant.

Between Alch and Drew, I'm sure one of them is lying. Though I tend to believe investigatives.

I still don't know if I fully believe Blatant. Again, a prime scum kill N1 since he claimed Doc and nothing happened to him. The last time I played with someone who I thought was a prime scum target at night that didn't get killed that night turned out to be scum, so that's what keeps Blatant on my list. I know that this is a different game and all but it still sits on the back of my mind.

I just didn't like the brashness of Creatures claim push. Seems a perfect way to get targets on the most powerful remaining PRs.

But I just don't know who is the safest choice.

These two posts don't seem to be of the same mindset. It's like he forgot BS was the n2 vanilla target.

No, I remembered. I just don't know why scum didn't outright kill him and use the vanilla on someone else. Plus the fact that he hid that he was vanillized until the next day. I would figure that the more info we have about what happened at night, the better it is for town.

[Yodavader]

Nice. Though I was trying to read that to a Christmas song and it didn't work.

[Yodavader]

Activity Flow Analysis

I do this analysis from time to time to help me understand the game state better. It is a simple graphical representation of an individual player's posting habit. I manually count how many days there are in a game (make exceptions for when the thread is locked for night/mod issues) and then I tally how many posts an individual player has made on any given day. I then turn this data into a line chart to get a better idea of their overall posting habits. This allows me to see the general "trend" of an individual player's posting frequency (is their frequency trending upward, or downward). It also allows me to see if there are any peculiar posting habits. Is a player popping in every few days and posting a lot (marked by many peaks and valleys), or are they more consistently a low poster (marked by plateaus or lower peaks).

Why do I do this? I am under the strong belief that players more often than not post less as scum and generally try to lurk. There are a number of reasons that a scum would want to lurk Principally, less posting means less opportunity to have your thoughts/play scrutinized and thus lowers the likelihood that you will be discovered. Additionally, I also think that the majority of players do not like playing as scum and lurk by default. Before anyone asks, yes, I have done this as scum. Before anyone asks, yes, the hypothesis held and my own activity flow showed me as scum.

I have saved all of the relevant information into an Excel file. But without further ado, I present The Big Four Activity Flow.

Spoiler: Big 4 Activity Flow

Yurkin


JJH


Yodavader


Doctor Drew


Alchemist


Blatant Scum


Creature


Chennisden

Analysis:
Three people have clearly positive trend lines (denoted by the dashed horizontal line across the chart): Blatant Scum, Chennisden, Doctor Drew. Alchemist does have a positive trend line, but it is a very weak positive. The rest of the game has negative trend lines (Creature, JJH, Yodavader, Yurkin).

Positive trend lines indicate that an individual has increased their activity over the course of the game. Negative trend lines indicate that an individual has decreased their activity over the course of the game. In my experience, scum tend to have negative trend lines. They get in, show their face, get a couple of town reads, and then coast on that.

Both Creature and Alchemist get a large percentage of their total post count on a single day. Creature is the worst offender. On December 3, Creature posted 110 times. That accounts for 38% (110/289) of his total post count. That was Creature's second day in the game. He has not approached that level of activity since December 3. He did have a little burst of activity on December 6 and 7 posting 37 and 46 times respectively. Since that time, a time span of two weeks, Creature has posted only 69 times, accounting for 23.8% of his total posts. He also did not post

at all

for 5 days. That type of behavior is highly suspicious and indicative of a scum member coasting on getting town read quickly upon arrival in the game.

On November 23, Alchemist posted 47 times. This accounts for 23.5% of his total post count. That means one fourth of his total posts came on one day. To remind everyone what happened on November 23, that was the day the game opened for Day 2. TrueSoulEnergy revealed Alchemist visited Pisskop which then forced Alchemist to claim his role. Alchemist's Activity Flow is interesting because that single day widely out paces all of his other days. He frequently has 0-3 posts a day which also indicates scum coasting.

Yurkin has two massive spikes in activity that dwarf the rest of his posting. On October 31, Yurkin posted 39 times accounting for 25.1% (39/155) of his total posts. On November 25, Yurkin posted 29 times, accounting for 18.7% (29/155) of his total posts. Together, those two days account for nearly half of his total posts in this game. For context, this game has been going on for almost 2 months. Since November 25, Yurkin has the most days of 0 posts out of anyone player in the game with

14

. If you count the 0 post days before November 25, Yurkin has a staggering

23 days

where he

did not post at all

. That to me screams lurker.

Due to these trends, my top suspects are Yurkin, JJH, and Creature. The activity flow of Blatant Scum, Chennisden, and Doctor Drew make me less inclined to follow a wagon onto any of those players.

+1

I like the graph and as of right now, I don't think my activity level will ever change but I do hope you take into consideration that there is a lot of shitposting that happens in games. I do see where you are going with this though and I applaud your work in taking the time to do it.

As for me, it's really my lack of being able to connect dots like everyone else and my fear of sounding scummy that prevents me from saying more.

[Yodavader]

I understand. I should have played more beginner games to get into the groove of things first. My mistake. But I didn't want to replace out due to all the people already replacing. I thought that this would allow me to learn faster.

[Yodavader]

I have always had low post counts.

[Yodavader]

I keep hearing that too much emotion comes off scummy, so I try not to get rash one way or the other.

[Yodavader]

I keep hearing that too much emotion comes off scummy, so I try not to get rash one way or the other.

From who?

Well, I guess I should restate it as seeing it too much. Some of the games that I played on here had hard reactions and they were automatically scumread because "a rational townie wouldn't react that way".

I keep hearing that too much emotion comes off scummy, so I try not to get rash one way or the other.

Why are you so preoccupied with not looking scummy? You have said this multiple times now this game.

Petit: everyone had that thought apparently.

Chennisden, do not lose faith. If we lynch a scum today, I should basically be cleared.

Pedit2:

Yoda, what is your role again?

I am a randomized bodyguard. I choose 3 people and get assigned to one of them. I only protect against nightkills. Any other abilities goes right through me.

[Yodavader]

I'm still Paul Bostaph, drummer for Slayer.

[Yodavader]

Yoda why didn’t you protect Titus?

I tried. It sucks that I can't control where I go.

If you weren’t vanillalized and I wasn’t, does that mean Yoda was?

Yoda are you vanillalized?

No, I was not vanillaized.

I'm still trying to figure out the last scum member, but I think Creature and BS are scum.

I've stated that I don't really trust the doc claim and then saying that he got vanilla'd is a nice coverup. Also as pointed out before, why would he ask the mod about knowing if vanilla'd get informed in game.

As much as I want to believe that yurkin is scum, I don't believe that he is because scum wouldn't vanilla a scum doublevoter. That's one less person they would have to wait for to get a quickhammer.

I would prefer a BS lynch to a creature lynch though.

[Yodavader]

So you guy are willing to hedge your bets on a player who could possibly be scum versus a player who you are more certain is scum? My vote is going to stay on the person who I know is scum.

VOTE: Blatant

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He is my top scum read. Again, emotions so wrong wording. My bad.

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How would modkilling affect game play? Would it be like lynching? I believe we are in MyLo, so would a modkill cause an auto scum win? If that's the case, please let the slot stay.

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I just don't want to be the game ending mislynch. I'm guessing that BS is probably the vanillaizer. He was able to coast on the unproven vanilla claim since N2. He conveniently doesn't say that he was vanilla'd until the next day. I'm thinking that they vanilla'd yurkin N1 because I believe he was the only claim (aside from BS's Doc claim) D1 so he was the only person that could be vanilla'd guaranteed. We didn't know that this game was role madness yet. So, he then claimed vanilla N2 (the day after) and was probably glad to see that town played conftown for vanilla's.

I just think that all of that is adding to him trying to hide the fact that he is in fact the vanillaizer.

@mod

do we know if we get vanillized?

Why did he ask this?

To look not-vanillized.

Nevermind. It was day 2. I expected mafia to target me N1 (so there should be no-kill), but someone was killed. That was me inquiring whether I was vanillized instead or not.

But we already know that a kill could happen the same night that a vanilla could happen because yurkin was vanilla'd and someone was killed on N1. Why would that change N2?

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Like I said before, yurkin is clearly town because why would scum vanilla themselves on night 1. That's a pretty big gambit to pull especially since outside the vanillaizer, that would be a pretty powerful role for scum to have. The ability to quickhammer from 2 votes out is huge. I don't think they would have planned for us to believe that vanillas were autotown. That's a big risk to push from the start of the game. I could see them doing that N2 or something, once they saw how town reacted.

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As much as I would like to believe that creature is scum, I am starting to turn my thoughts away from him being scum. Thinking more about forcing the massclaim, it's probably more town motivated than I originally wanted to believe. I think we still had the flavorcop (too lazy to actually dig into that timeframe) so they could have easily compared instruments of the claimed guitarists and see who was lying. Yeah, it was rough having the lynch all nonclaimers attitude but I could see scum trying to hide until they knew everyone else's claims to create a fakeclaim that would work.

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I'm guessing that scum were given fakeclaims but if the fakeclaim didn't match their real roles, then they could have easily made up new fakeclaims to match what they needed.

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I've already said my piece on Blatant, so I'm just going to leave that where it is.

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So, everyone else is pretty town to me making BS my only real scum read. Again, I know that I am bad at reads but this is the only one that makes sense to me right now.

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I'm pretty confident on my reads of creature and yurkin. It just doesn't make sense. <insert Chewbacca defense>

I'll try to find the other 2 scum.

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So, looking at the current list of who is alive, my town to scum list is (no particular order, just in groups):

Town:
Gobble
yurkin
creature

Townlean:
Drew - Since Alch was pushing Drew and Alch flipped scum, you get +1

Null:
JJH - can't remember much from here but the refusal to claim gets a -1

Scumlean:
Chen - trying to push a creature lynch and it seems like you have blinders on when it comes to creature

scum:
BS - already stated

But again, I suck at reads

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Of course, I would put myself in the town section, but people told me that putting myself in my list means nothing

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That's just the way I see it. I'm trying not to let other people swerve my pov

Also, I'm trying not to OMGUS

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so, by your logic, at least one of them would have to be scum. Hmm...let me think about this

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So, if I had to choose out of the 2 to be scum, I would say that it would be gobble. The way that the game has played out in my mind today, it seems like gobble was jumping around with votes hoping to see if something sticks. I also don't like that they are scum testing to end the game. There should be more thought into who to vote other than "Let's test this quickhammer and hope we aren't wrong"

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So, then according to my own list, the scum team would be BS, chen, and gobble.

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So, what? I guess the optimal play from here on out is just to hammer test everyone?

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So, I guess that means that creature and myself are the next 2 scums because we didn't get hammered? I'll have to do that next game I play when we are in Mylo/Lylo. Start putting people on the block and cross fingers.

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Sorry, emotions again. Trying to calm down now...

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yeah, can we bring me off the block please. I promise to be nice from now on.

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I just don't want to end the game on my mislynch. I don't want that weighing on my mind. Let's talk about things.

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Who does everyone think are my scumbuddies, if I am scum?

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Man, this feels like when I'm arguing with my wife. A lot of me talking and apologizing and her giving me the silent treatment.

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VOTE: Creature

Well, I guess I was wrong about creature.

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I've only played two games on here. I was town in Newbie 1959 (Stuff I found online). I'm trying to remember the other game I played.

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I was also town in Newbie 1962. I had to check my PM's. Looks like I have yet to role scum.

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I was the Doc in 1959 and VT in 1962.

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Yoda, who is scum with Creature’s scum claim?

Just saw this as I was rereading. Must have slipped by when I was searching for my games.

Regardless of what was already said between your question and this response, I still believe BS to be scum. That hasn't changed. My money is that he is the vanillaizer.

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I can see them seeing how town reacts to people who are vanillaized with the one person who had a confirmed PR with yurkin. Then claim that BS was vanillaized N2 so that they could continue vanillaing without anyone suspecting.

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So, are you saying that since I voted for creature, I'm scum?

UNVOTE:

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Or are you saying that since creature "double voted" for me, I'm scum?

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VOTE: creature

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crossing fingers

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I would like to personally thank Creature for saving my ass. I was literally 10 minutes away from self hammering.

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TSE's plan was to no vanilla N2 and he would claim to be vanilla'd and coast through the game

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Well, I will try to be more active in games. I know it doesn't help the game one way or the other if I just stay quiet in the background.

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Congrats Drew.