Open 770: Fusion Mafia - Game Over!

Ankamius · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:22 am

Does anybody have experience with elements' scumgame?

Hectic · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:26 am

I don't know if she even knows she's been replaced though. Like I said, the SK game had week long gaps of inactivity.

"However, the primary reason for which Edguf has been inactive in the past, was due to rolling scum and her disliking playing scum. So of all the reasons for her replace out, her rolling scum takes a good chunk of that percentage." addressed your second point. It's not a strong conclusion, I just think this is a good shot. Not sure why you're defending the slot so much, I thought you'd agree with me since you know how she prefers town and is more likely to be disengaged and not be bothered to post as scum.

Hectic · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:28 am

Voted for her ages ago, Elements.

In post 650, Ankamius wrote:Does anybody have experience with elements' scumgame?

Only when he was a Neutral from ages ago. Feels different here for what that's worth.

Hopkirk · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:28 am

Thinking about it, I was thinking it was really important to lynch scum d1, but lynching scum d2 isn't particularly bad. We either end up with 1 scumpair out of 6 pairs or out of 5. Same number of mislynches afterwards. We just lose our scummiest town and whoever scum decide to kill. Info lynch wouldn't necessarily be bad.

Hopkirk · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:28 am

In post 651, Hectic wrote:I don't know if she even knows she's been replaced though. Like I said, the SK game had week long gaps of inactivity.

"However, the primary reason for which Edguf has been inactive in the past, was due to rolling scum and her disliking playing scum. So of all the reasons for her replace out, her rolling scum takes a good chunk of that percentage." addressed your second point. It's not a strong conclusion, I just think this is a good shot. Not sure why you're defending the slot so much, I thought you'd agree with me since you know how she prefers town and is more likely to be disengaged and not be bothered to post as scum.

So you think she's still on holiday or something and hasn't checked the thread at all or what?

Hopkirk · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:30 am

She went on V/LA for the holiday period and didn't come back. That's pretty different from dipping in and out of the thread for a few days to a week when we were a month into the game.

Ankamius · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:31 am

Because when the meta case you are presenting both has a volatility of other reasons causing it to happen combined with being unable to tell in any confident way which reason is correct in any one instance, you can't ever truly be confident that that specific reason is THE reason

This is how creature went from someone notorious for tryharding as town and not playing as scum to basically being unreadable once that meta no longer applied

Hectic · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:37 am

In post 654, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 651, Hectic wrote:I don't know if she even knows she's been replaced though. Like I said, the SK game had week long gaps of inactivity.

"However, the primary reason for which Edguf has been inactive in the past, was due to rolling scum and her disliking playing scum. So of all the reasons for her replace out, her rolling scum takes a good chunk of that percentage." addressed your second point. It's not a strong conclusion, I just think this is a good shot. Not sure why you're defending the slot so much, I thought you'd agree with me since you know how she prefers town and is more likely to be disengaged and not be bothered to post as scum.
So you think she's still on holiday or something and hasn't checked the thread at all or what?

No, but she said she didn't check the thread in the SK game during those week gaps. It's not lurking, it's being disengaged and not being bothered to check the thread and post.

I think we should move on from this, it's not really something others can discuss. I'm not 100% confident the slot is scum, I just think it has increased likelihood of being scum over any other slot. Now, that margin isn't huge since you are correct, there are many other reasons she could replace out, but that margin is significant enough to make it a good lynch over a day 1 lynch on average.

But that depends. If I have a good scumread on someone by the end of this day, and Ank is not scummy in that time, I will vote the other person instead. Otherwise, Ank is a good lynch.

popsofctown · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:37 am

I modded Undertale Semi-Open, which Elements won as scum.

Ank, I think I've heard you say before in MD or someplace that you don't think a correct Day 1 lynch is necessarily valuable, and that it's more important to develop a working paradigm for the entire game before it's ended. But you said it was extremely scummy to consider going after hard scum first in this game. Is that straight up, you think the mechanics of this game are enough to reverse a trend you believe to be true in mountainous?

Elements · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:39 am

In post 658, popsofctown wrote:I modded Undertale Semi-Open, which Elements won as scum.

My proudest achievement

Ankamius · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:39 am

Yes

The advantages of a day 1 scum lynch are game winning in the vast majority of games within this setup

popsofctown · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:41 am

What do you think about GeorgeBailey?

Ankamius · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:42 am

popsofctown · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:44 am

He's a slot in this game

Ankamius · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:45 am

I don't think I'll be able to parse him through just his ISO

His alignment seems dependent on what's going on around him more than what he's doing at a glance

popsofctown · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:48 am

Ok based on what was going on around him I think he's scum will you sheep me

Hopkirk · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:50 am

No, but she said she didn't check the thread in the SK game during those week gaps.

Did she say this in the thread or in pms? If you can link it in the thread the meta read becomes stronger.

Hopkirk · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:50 am

George is still where my vote is I'm 90% sure.

Ankamius · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:51 am

What was going on around him? I still haven't read the game like a filthy animal

ofrhz · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:51 am

In post 464, Hopkirk wrote:Gamma I could townread. Don't remember why I townread Proffi.

Why do you think gamma is town?

popsofctown · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:57 am

In post 666, Hopkirk wrote:
No, but she said she didn't check the thread in the SK game during those week gaps.
Did she say this in the thread or in pms? If you can link it in the thread the meta read becomes stronger.

Weaker. I think I saw her online the day after she declared V/LA

Hopkirk · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:00 am

Looking at her profile she was online on the 27th so she checked the forums.

Hopkirk · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:02 am

I (slightly) like Gamma for one of the same reasons I like Elements. Some strong indicators they're playing naturally rather than tactically based on odd misreadings they've then pushed for just the right amount of time.

Hopkirk · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:03 am

@Hectic: how was Flopz in terms of activity while scum?

Hectic · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:07 am

In post 666, Hopkirk wrote:
No, but she said she didn't check the thread in the SK game during those week gaps.
Did she say this in the thread or in pms? If you can link it in the thread the meta read becomes stronger.

She told me directly. Don't remember her mentioning it in-thread.

Flopz was decently active as scum. He didn't lurk.