Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 1.02

Elsa Jay (3) -

NaCl, popsofctown, DrDoolittle

Titus (1) -

Elsa Jay

Nancy Drew 30 (1) -

OkaPoka

Hectic (1) -

Krazy

DrDolittle (1) -

Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting (8) -

Eddie Cane, Titus, Something_Smart, Pine, Hectic, pisskop, Amrun, bob3141

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

[Amrun]

Holy fuckballs, Titus is town, and right.

Someone please tell me why we shouldn’t mass claim everything?

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

That’s a 50% chance of lynching right and leaving us with a town confirm. I feel like that’s pretty good.

[Eddie Cane]

On vacation until Jan 7th.

[Eddie Cane]

I havent read pages 2-8 so maybe I'm missing something but mass claim seems moronic to me.

[Something_Smart]

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

What?

There isn't even a mafia roleblocker in this setup.

Massclaiming leaves the doctor outed and provides no further benefit.

Although I do think that, between them knowing their neighbors aren't doctor and the rolecop and people accidentally (or intentionally) giving away information, they'll know who the doctor is by D3 at the latest. So maybe we should mass neighbor claim on like D2.

[Something_Smart]

If the doctor dies before massclaim it makes Titus/Hectic pair more likely T/T.

[Something_Smart]

Calling it. [Krazy, nancy, one other]

._.

[Amrun]

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

What?

There isn't even a mafia roleblocker in this setup.

Massclaiming leaves the doctor outed and provides no further benefit.

Although I do think that, between them knowing their neighbors aren't doctor and the rolecop and people accidentally (or intentionally) giving away information, they'll know who the doctor is by D3 at the latest. So maybe we should mass neighbor claim on like D2.

Hahhahahahaha I meant rolecop but I missed that the mafia rolecop is a neighbor too, so disregard entirely. I never read this set up ahead of time because I didn’t expect to be in team mafia at all.


Titus is still town though.

[NaCl]

whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy

She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"

Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips

We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B.

This is right, but I'm fairly sure that in 90% of cases, Strategy A is better than Strategy B. Just don't quickhammer, anyone who does will get lynched.

I'm going to tackle this in the morning. I have a deep gut feeling that there's either a setup break or at least a mandatory-once-we-see-it strategy in the setup.

I think it's as optimal as it gets with this right now, which is what people have been saying, I'm pretty sure:
-Neighbor claims when someone is at L-1 or has just died.
-Don't quickhammer.

Anyways, I think this is the optimal strategy and most people also agree so I'm not really seeing that discussing the setup more would be productive (unless I'm making some huge mistake with my understanding), so hopefully we can bury that topic now.

Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.

I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.

I'm strongly leaning town on Pine, Krazy and Oka at the moment. I doubt Elsa and Nancy are scum. That's a little self-centered and convienent to think scum just immediately voted me because I had the optimal plan. I would expect that either Elsa or Nancy is scum but not both.

I don't know what your point of adding in the first part is. That feels like a way to shift responsibility off your own reads. As for your opinions, what is so good about Krazy? He feels pretty middle of the road to me.

Right now I'm liking pops, S_S, and ND39, and kind of Pine and Okapoka. Everyone else is pretty much meh and hasn't really jumped out to me. Weak scumleans on Elsa and DrDolittle.

oh one more thing

this game is similar in spirit to the monty hall problem, I think. If A flips town, A's neighbour flips scum a lot more often. This also will constrain scum night kills, which is why I think its solveable for town.

This is correct, but at the same time, it doesn't sit right with me. Because while it does constrain scum kills, this is also something that can be used to chain one town lynch into another.

Could you also explain your opinion on Elsa Jay? I was getting slight scum-vibes initially, but nothing too strong. What makes your read so confident?


Also, I will similarly be a bit restricted on my availability for today and tomorrow, but I should be able to pick up after that.

[Something_Smart]

Titus is still town though.

Yeah, I think I agree with you here.

[Hectic]

I didn't realise this game had started, I'll catchup later. @mod: Are we allowed to talk about the othe games in Team Mafia during this game?

-Hectic

[Elsa Jay]

Not in this thread, but fair game with your group, I think.

[Hectic]

You guys mind if I lurk the first few day phases out? I joined too many games and this is lower down on my priority list. My partners will probably check in later.

-Hectic

[Krazy]

Hectic why are you signing your posts?

[Krazy]

Also "first few day *phases*" ? Was that a typo?

[Hectic]

Hi, I'm here. Sorry if I've been inactive, I didn't know this thread existed, or really anything about this whole Team Mafia thing other than what you guys have told me. I've seen my role PM now and am ready to begin playing.

-Thilbert

[Krazy]

Hi Thilbert, glad you're here. How long have you known Hectic?

[Elsa Jay]

Ever since he was born, I bet.

[Something_Smart]

I'm so concerned right now.

[Krazy]

Wow, twins!

[Hectic]

I cannot answer for Hectic but am here as myself, Thilbert. I have known Hectic for many generations, and we were playing jester nightless mafia with each other while we still frequented our cribs. I would like to answer any questions, if you have them. I have read the first two pages.

-Thilbert

[Elsa Jay]

Do you think I'm a viable wagon, Thil? We can ask Hectic later.

[Krazy]

Yeah, how many people are in your hydra? Also do you have a main account on your own?

[Hectic]

I have not actually read the first two pages, Elsa Jay. I was hoping no one would question me on this, but I have failed to get away with this due to your astute thought process and sharp critical thinking skills. I will read the first two pages now, as I am Town, and would like to help the Town.

-Thilbert

[Eddie Cane]

Bro can you please not do an annoying gimmick