Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Amrun]

Remind me where have I played with you before, Amrun.

We have a couple games that haven’t finished but they weren’t what I was referring to anyway. We do have Radja’s game finished where you were in a hydra. I fully intended to mislynch your slot there but town vigged you first.

But I’ve been reading a lot of different games as a Scummies judge and trying to re-familiarize myself after my absence.


Pine strikes me as town so far.


@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads. I have clearly delineated my reads from skitter’s at all times. She didn’t even catch up until last night. It was just when she had time. She has a few that I haven’t shared since they weren’t excessively important and I hadn’t formed my own opinion on them (Nancy scumlean, Krazy townlean, Oka town, I’d have to review the convo for the rest). I do agree with Oka town at this point but I personally have zero read on Krazy. My point is, if I were scum trying to fabricate a read, I had no reason at all to even reveal skitter’s read, especially in that specific way.

[Something_Smart]

Iirc S_S found the crumb before his first realpost, if I recall incorrectly he found it before Hectic was conftown to everyone at the end of day 1. I don't see why S_S didn't disclose that.

I actually never saw that crumb until Hectic pointed it out.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, Hectic is definitely the lynch today. Gut feeling, he's trying to draw out the real Doc.

This is an extremely shallow read.

[Something_Smart]

pisskop seems really earnest in his approach to the game this game, I really think he's town. I'm not sure how to explain it, it's kind of a tone thing?

I felt this too with pisskop's entrance, btw.

[Something_Smart]

@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?

Right. That too.

[Amrun]

Amrun, ank wants to know skitters specific thoughts on Pops please.

She wrote it all out in detail for me to share here since this question was asked.

Here’s the gist of it:

1) she doesn’t like that pops sided with NaCl on his poor Eddie vote when SS was bickering about it. SS made a valid point about Eddie being on vacation so it was essentially an empty vote anyway.

2) Pops voted SS for how he engaged w/ bob’s pressure, but SS was correct in his argument with bob and whatever pressure he was receiving she felt he acted in accordance with town behavior for him.

3) She doesn’t like the vague meta reasons pops is using.

In addition, after the vote response, she doesn’t like the reaction and how pops is trying to say she only came in because I needed help, which I didn’t.

I agree with all those reasons and I specifically noted 2) prior myself re: SS being correct on bob.

pops

, skitter would like game references and preferably post references from games that show S S scum game is similar or especially that his town game is dissimilar.

[popsofctown]

@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads.

I'm struggling to find anywhere where I said that. If anything, my complaint is that there was already a direction you were taking the game, and I'm not sure why you adopted a different one.
You seem so sure that's the thing I'm concerned with you're volunteering a readslist though??

pedit: I think skitter would have read the game and provided comments at the time she did no matter what you rolled, the difference between "this is what skitter said, but I'm still on Hectic here" and "forget what I was doing before I should captain a mislynch instead of sheeping one" is what I'm fretting over.

Guns & Roses one and two are the games I'm basing this on. I can't really do post references since it's mostly about what I feel is missing rather that what he's posted, which is the same reason I'm cooling on it which is an annoying time to be asked to cite references

[Amrun]

Oops she didn’t want post numbers anyway, I messed that up.

She more wanted you to articulate the reasons why S S is behaving differently and then based on what game.

[Amrun]

Or, X behavior is similar to Y game, where he was scum.

[Amrun]

As for me, I was using my vote to add pressure, not because I was convinced that Hectic was scum, which was obvious.

I seriously considered waiting for Hectic to react before changing my vote but I was impatient. This doesn’t bother me.

[popsofctown]

In this game he seemed to respond to whatever had happened most recently, which matches Guns & Roses II. In AvP and G&R I I felt like he was more selective in what he would question someone about and respond to and it'd often seem like the same thing I would want to ask about. Here I haven't felt that matchup quite as often.

[popsofctown]

How is your vote on me more useful? Assuming without granting I'm a player that's very sortable with votes on her, very few votes have accumulated on me but Hectic had several.

[Amrun]

How is your vote on me more useful? Assuming without granting I'm a player that's very sortable with votes on her, very few votes have accumulated on me but Hectic had several.

Do you have any votes on you? I don’t think so.

From my POV, you succinctly summarized why pressure on you is more useful than pressure on Hectic. So, not sure what to say to that.

[popsofctown]

Most people would adopt the school of thought that pressure votes improve utility superlinearly as they accumulate. I'm willing to buy you're in the minority in your thinking on that if you say so, though.

[popsofctown]

shit that was a math word can someone smokebomb elsa while I run?

[Amrun]

Most people would adopt the school of thought that pressure votes improve utility superlinearly as they accumulate. I'm willing to buy you're in the minority in your thinking on that if you say so, though.

I think it depends on gamestate.

[Pine]

@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?

Right here:

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

Here, obviously. The "hint hint" especially has no function from a Town perspective, but could very easily be intended to draw out a Doctor who isn't close-reading to say "aha! I counterclaim!"

Just because it's clumsy doesn't make it not scummy. And if you're Town just dicking around, then you should be ashamed of yourself and knock it the fuck off. This is Team Mafia, not some random Mini you joined on a lark.

[Amrun]

Pine, why is pops town?

[Pine]

She's gamesolvy, has made a number of parallel observations that I've also seen, general positive scumhunting vibe, she's the only one of you Mastina is willing to endorse as Town so far (she thinks pisskop is scum though)

Why is she scum?

[Pine]

Okay, that's bothering me. Gamesolve-y.

[Amrun]

Can you read the reasons from skitter & I and see what you think?

[Pine]

Amrun, ank wants to know skitters specific thoughts on Pops please.

She wrote it all out in detail for me to share here since this question was asked.

Here’s the gist of it:

1) she doesn’t like that pops sided with NaCl on his poor Eddie vote when SS was bickering about it. SS made a valid point about Eddie being on vacation so it was essentially an empty vote anyway.

2) Pops voted SS for how he engaged w/ bob’s pressure, but SS was correct in his argument with bob and whatever pressure he was receiving she felt he acted in accordance with town behavior for him.

3) She doesn’t like the vague meta reasons pops is using.

In addition, after the vote response, she doesn’t like the reaction and how pops is trying to say she only came in because I needed help, which I didn’t.

I agree with all those reasons and I specifically noted 2) prior myself re: SS being correct on bob.

pops

, skitter would like game references and preferably post references from games that show S S scum game is similar or especially that his town game is dissimilar.

Nvm, I skipped 630 to 640 while writing a "your mom" joke in response to 627 which I thought better of. I see your reasoning, I guess? I don't agree with it.

[Amrun]

For what reason(s) do you disagree, though?

[Micc]

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[Micc]

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