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[tictac]

Idk, that's why i'm having trouble
Lynch you most probably

see why i'm having trouble trusting yer judgement on garm?

Yeah well you keep trying to lynch people that i think are town and you had an awful hammer yesterday on someone who was town

like i could just not vote for folks, but i don't think that's better.

[skitter30]

Why does jan kill una tho

[skitter30]

Why exactly did you have an awful hammer again yesterday?

[tictac]

i was bored, and seemed like a good idea at the time

[skitter30]

skitty is scum
VOTE: skitter30

u not gonna sheep leaf deathread?

skitt-scum/confident scumteam/doc-dodge
^one of these probs true, buti think jumping to skitt-scum is too early.

Why would anyone in their right mind doc skitter? She was scummy asf yesterday.

Oh right, this was awful too

[skitter30]

i was bored, and seemed like a good idea at the time

Yeah this isnt a good reason, sorry
Why was it a good idea at the time?

[skitter30]

oh that's scummy

this is fun

like, maybe garm is a loyal fruitvendor, or maybe it's just a gambit.
u know if ya received fruit or not.

not answering that question was SCUMMY ASF

Oh yeah so was this
Still dont get how you got to a sr of me here

[skitter30]

to hammer or not to hammer, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The yawns and bogs of countless lurkers,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by policy-lynch, end them?

eh
VOTE: dunn

More interestingly why did you drop your push of me to hammer ?

[tictac]

maybe i should have weighted how it would look to townies more than how it would look to scum.
just i tend to not do that very much as town

pedit; ok i'll fetch the post where i went into it.
ppedit: still don't think that was complicated, i'll fetch that too
ppp... eeh, hold yer horses for a sec

[tictac]

Tictac you need to explain the hammer

Thought about it and figured he was unlikely to be a PR, so only scum-him would claim anything interesting, and liked the thought of our PRs remaining hidden.

Was also kinda pretending to be a loyal mailman to draw the nightkill and silly hammers something I see from PRs a lot.
That was also the reason for my "~reasons~"
wake even assisted my cover for a bit in 1619, which I thought was neat.

agree about the need for a massclaims.
I'm a VT.
My guess for the actual mailman would be looker, but don't actually know.

I want skitt to go next.
VOTE: skitt

[tictac]

No.
I scumread you because not answering that question was the only safe path for scum-you, and you took it.
Garm saying he was gambiting gave scum you a reason to stop witholding the info, but did not give one to town!you.

thus:
no consistent motivation for town-you to withold the info initially.
clear motivation for scum-you to withold it.

additionally, i do believe ya pretending that ya don't understand. nothing i've been talking about is super hard to understand.

[tictac]

1. you are scum, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you're probably complex/simple fruit vendor trying to fish PR's. in which case, it is bad for skitter to claim. this part makes sense i'm pretty sure?
2. you are town, and skitter is town: if this is the case then you confirming skitter as town does absolutely nothing for me. i townread skitter more than i tr you, so imo your word on skitter doesn't mean much
3. you are town, and skitter is scum: if skitter claims fruit/no fruit in a way inconsistent with your claim, i'm more likely to lynch you. this is part is the only good outcome from skit claiming, and i think it's unlikely
4. you're both scum: that'd be funny!

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

1. no, i didn't get fruit

2. Presumably Garm gambited for the benefit of his own reads. Ya saying an interaction is pointless unless ya personally benefit from it is silly. Other people are playing this game too.
3. if that happened skitter would be lynched. scum-garm had zero motivation to initiate a 1v1 trade there.
4. that I agree with.

the presented town motivation to withhold that info is inconsistent with skitt later sharing it freely.

the scum motivation to withhold that info is clear:
-if skitt says 'fruit' she is quiltied by gambiting!garm
-if skitt sayis 'no fruit' she is guiltied by at the time unlikely but possible loyal fruivendor garm.
scum!skitt does not wish to be quiltied, thus: no answer.

inconsistent town-narrative + consistent scum-narrative => scum

[skitter30]

Can you point to a towngame where you did that before? Or espoused a similar thought process?

I'm kinda baffled how you'd think that was a good idea

Pedit regarding the hammer

[skitter30]

No.
I scumread you because not answering that question was the only safe path for scum-you, and you took it.
Garm saying he was gambiting gave scum you a reason to stop witholding the info, but did not give one to town!you.

thus:
no consistent motivation for town-you to withold the info initially.
clear motivation for scum-you to withold it.

additionally, i do believe ya pretending that ya don't understand. nothing i've been talking about is super hard to understand.

No, maybe i was a tpr who was wary that scum!garmr was trying to out me, and that there was subtext that prevented me from wanting to give a straight answer at that time

I dont get why you'd think your scenario was more likely than anything else

Also if i were scum i'd have just made an educated guess and ran with it, at that point i was reasonably confident he was bluffing anyways

[tictac]

i can dig for more. reason to scumread ya something i repeated a lot on day 2, tho, so it's boring.

Also if i were scum i'd have just made an educated guess and ran with it, at that point i was reasonably confident he was bluffing anyways

i didn't think so. i thought (and still do) that u like to avoid unnecessary risk as scum.

[tictac]

u can always talk yer way out of anything that isn't a guilty.

[tictac]

Can you point to a towngame where you did that before? Or espoused a similar thought process?

i can find u instances of PR-reading people for lolhammering.
i don't think i've espoused doing it ever.
i think it's visible that i did it with consideration tho, and kinda fail to see the benefit scum-me would have gained from doing it.

[skitter30]

I dont think you had any reasonable way of knowing he wasnt a pr at that point and ... not hammering without a claim is basic mafia 101 so i really dont get why you'd make an exception there

[skitter30]

u can always talk yer way out of anything that isn't a guilty.

Maybe i would have called his bluff at that point, idk

I think not-commiting is riskier than making an educated guess

Also can you like point me to a game where you were town and there was a conftown you were at odds with?

[Garmr]

Oh yeah i'm baffled by that too, tbh

I think it points to garmr because everyone else una was sr'ing i'm p sure is town and garmr has a history of nk'ing peoppe who sr him

You know gamma was coming around to town garmr and was going to push you day 2 right which was why I dug deeper into you also una.

Also why are you making up bs like this. Last game I lynched someone who null read me and then shot the vig. Also in another game where I was scum and you were town I was null with some townie posts according to you and I killed you night 1.

Can you not make up bullshit to try and justify a read or i'll remember this for the next game and use it to case you there.

[tictac]

Also can you like point me to a game where you were town and there was a conftown you were at odds with?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76983
day 2 tried to lynch the tracker, there's a bit of fightintg after he claimed.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61950
my first game. i was super paranoid when the cop claimed.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77461
i think the IC tried to lynch me? that one is kinda hazy.

[tictac]

Maybe i would have called his bluff at that point, idk

I think not-commiting is riskier than making an educated guess

i don't think it matters at this point, what ya would actually do as scum. only what i thought ya would do.

[Garmr]

Oh yeah i'm baffled by that too, tbh

I think it points to garmr because everyone else una was sr'ing i'm p sure is town and garmr has a history of nk'ing peoppe who sr him

You know maybe scum thought una was a power role, maybe they wanted to frame you as you were being scum read by them. There's tons of what ifs.

[AaronFrost]

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[AaronFrost]

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