Mini Normal 2111 [Game Over!]

[skitter30]

i mean there's a reason why i'm not voting you rn, i'm trying to figure out if you're awfully misguided

jan's my strongest tr rn

[skitter30]

VOTE: january

no, she's the towniest person in this game

[skitter30]

I forgot that suji is probably town too

We should keep the pressure on dunn btw

[skitter30]

Suji, january, how do you both read tictac?

[skitter30]

Also Skitter was it you I mislynched with a fake cop guilty in your first game out of newbies or someone else?

I havent been mislynched in like a year and a half, so ... no

Your reads are like upside-down to mine, and i find this concerning

[skitter30]

the gamestate + ease of wagon kinda makes me think dunn is town, tbh

but he needs to like ~do stuff~

[skitter30]

january is still obvtown

garmr is still scummy

i feel like voting him again
the other people who are good votes: dunn, una, tictac, wake

VOTE: garmr

[skitter30]

christmas eve party today so i’ll do stuff tomorrow

skit- can u explain why you think maria is town?

mostly because mariar felt exactly the same as she did in open 769

[skitter30]

1. again: town skitter witholding that information from potential scum!garm is not an actual thing:

again because it was apparent at that point that there was no fruit

it didn't matter at that point, i wasn't telling him anything

[skitter30]

i know i didn't get fruit

you eventually said it was a gambit and that there was, in fact, no fruit

at that point i said i didn't get fruit

i wasnt' giving anybody new information at that point.

[skitter30]

i know of like one person who does gambits that complex and you're not them so

[skitter30]

VOTE: tictac

[skitter30]

I dont believe this is a real scumread you have on me

[skitter30]

you're basically scumreading me for giving garmr information by saying i didn't get fruit after he said didn't send? and that i should have been considering the possibility that he was scum gambitting there and been more reluctant to give out that information?


is that right?

[skitter30]

interesting

i'd argue that not-answering wasn't a particularly safe position for scum!me
and garmr saying he was gambiting meant the whole thing wasn't real, so i didn't really care about whether or not he knew i didn't get fruit

you feel remarkably different to the newbie, btw

also how do you feel about wake?

[skitter30]

why is wake town?

[skitter30]

Huh

Just .... huh

[skitter30]

Is that like ongoing game reasons or

[skitter30]

I thought about this game a little bit, I believe Skellen is most likely to be scum here

VOTE: Skellen

no

[skitter30]

VOTE: Dunnstral
You should claim your role.

i changed my mind about wanting dunn, i think

l-1 again btw

[skitter30]

What do you mean by fences? Are you asserting potential scum pairs?

People often talk about scum-pairs.
I like to think of it as a "milder" stage of pairing. Individuals who seem to share an agenda/perspective.
Doesn't always mean they are town/scum together, but helps me understand some trajectories better.
Also makes it more clear to me when someone changes their stance drastically, so I like to write them up.

And who knows? Maybe some conversation could be stirred up every once in a while as well.

I think you're scum. Discuss

[skitter30]

I'd hope you'd have a case on me since you put me at the end of your townscum spectrum. I'm still awaiting your follow-up as well.

i changed my mind about wanting dunn, i think

l-1 again btw

What was your stance before and what is your stance now?

I thought he waa scummy.

I no longer particularly think he's scum, but i want to pressure him to do stuff

Not sure he is the best lynch today.

What are your thoughts on tictac?

[skitter30]

It's entirely his lack of activity

[skitter30]

I thought he waa scummy.

I no longer particularly think he's scum, but i want to pressure him to do stuff

Not sure he is the best lynch today.

[skitter30]

Oh i knew that would come back to haunt me one day

[skitter30]

I dropped the fl thing since at eod i thought he would protest more if he were scum

[skitter30]

Ok not the kill i was expecting at all

Tictac you need to explain the hammer

Today is probably massclaim day

[skitter30]

VOTE: tictac

i will be vla tomorrow and wednesday

Noted

- AF

[skitter30]

Did they think he was a pr ?
Like i'm confused who shoots una there

[skitter30]

I want tictac to start massclaim too

[skitter30]

What do you think of tictac's hammer?

[skitter30]

Interesting.

I am going last

[skitter30]

Also you should have gotten a claim first

[skitter30]

Guesswhat im going to claim boys

Unloyal Vigilante

Um, ok

Who were your targets?

Unloyal means you only work on scum?

If that's right i dont believe this

[skitter30]

Becaus if people dont die you get a soft-inno ... ?

[skitter30]

Oh

Tictac not aligned with garmr, i think

[skitter30]

Indeed

[skitter30]

Garmr did you claim?

[skitter30]

Why do you tr the hammer?

[skitter30]

Ok do u wanna or ...

[skitter30]

why is wake town?

~reasons~

Huh

Just .... huh

Tictac what were you thinking when i said thi?

[skitter30]

Well i meant more what did you think of my reaction ?

[skitter30]

Mostly when i'm not interested in saying more at the moment

[skitter30]

I would prefer looker and suji to claim before i do

[skitter30]

Wake just claim sincd you're here

[skitter30]

VOTE: looker
someone join me i gave my reasons yesterday and nothing has changed

also i’m holding back on claiming til later
take that however u want (:

I'd prefer to wagon tictac

Not sure i like that you want to hold off

[skitter30]

You wanna vote tictac?

[skitter30]

That's fine

[skitter30]

Yep

[skitter30]

Cool

I still want looker and suji to claim

[skitter30]

No.

Looker -> january

After that idc

[skitter30]

Saudade x 260

lol

[skitter30]

This *is* a not-insane claiming order (woo!)!

I know exactly what i'm doing

[skitter30]

I might just claim if i get bored enough to keep things moving, i guess

[skitter30]

@mod: can suji be prodded?

[skitter30]

Skitt can go whenever she wants, not because of january, but because she's a mason
(I dont usually decide to just like, not do massclaim, ya know)

I don't understand this setup, really. Imo ungated loyal is too strong for town given that we also, like, exist

Despite that i believe the claim; how january interacted with me around the garmr fruit thing lines up with her claim

The only other thing i can think of that would really explain her behavior yesterdy is if she is a rolecop/scum have a rolecop and checked me n1 and decided to have january loltreat me as conftown yesterday and then claim loyal md. Like this is technically/mechanically plausible, i guess, but not super likely imo ?

Oh also i'm the mailman, we sent a message to wake n1 telling him to do something along the lines of 'use the word 'happy' in your first three posts and have your second post start with the letter m if you get this'

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

I didnt immediately give an answer to garmr because wake hadnt posted yet and if i waited a bit until he did i knew i'd be able to get a sense for if i'd been jk'd or not
@tictac the main reason i felt ok saying i didnt get fruit at the time that i said it had little to do with garmr and more to do with the fact that at that point i knew my role/abiltiy to do and receive actios hadnt been interfered with. I.e. wake posting and confirming receipt of the message came in middle of the fruit thing and that changed how i behaved wrt garmr

Also we thought fl was a scum role like designed to find us, which is what was throwing me off there, and why we were suspicious of him, it basically looked like a scum role meant to find masons

[skitter30]

oh cool, i buy this
UNVOTE:

we should finish massclaims, but provisionally ok w looker lynch.
skitt can go last if she wants,given this.

still think garm is town.

Why do you buy this, and why do you think looker was the mailman?

[skitter30]

actually pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them

Y tho

[skitter30]

I still want tictac, i think

But we need to finish massclaim

And january's role doesnt make sense in this setup

[skitter30]

Since she was considering if Looker might be ascetic I take it that she would get "no movements" or something like that on town roles that didn't do something or were targeted, no? Basically loyal Motion Detector is an ungated full alignment Cop. Weird role tbh.

Yes

[skitter30]

Oh also i played day1 and day2 the way i did cuz i was trying not to get nk'd

We're in a p good position now because of it

[skitter30]

looker cause general PR-read.

Y tho

[skitter30]

I still want tictac, i think

4 u I actually do recommend taking a peek at my one completed scumgame.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72770
i think ur expected competence level is out of whack when it comes to my scumgame.
also, i think the scum-pt is fun reading

Oh you were in ~that~ game. Huh. I def read it a while back for other players, i will take a look

The looker comment kinda made me think you were, in fact, pr hunting

Also in the back of my mind i'm wondering if garmr got the idea for his fruit thing from my mailman thing, that'a also why i'm wary

[skitter30]

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

i don't get this tbh. wouldn't scum!wake know ya not loyal when he received the message? so he would confirm either way?

A) werent you pretending to be a loyal mailman like yesterday?

B) the message was vague, and could be read as me being any of loyal/disloyal/complex/simple; wake didnt really have any of knowing. It was a reaction test, and i didnt have much better ideas as to what to do with being a mailman

[skitter30]

Nope

[skitter30]

I'm a mason, so, irregardless of jan's alignment, i am town

[skitter30]

1-Jan saw motion go off so me saying it was just a gambit wold seem off since things happened that night.

Ok, so this is a resonable question:

@jan did you think that garmr was the source of the motion that night?

[skitter30]

Skitter looked scummy as hell and majority of her reads (me and fl her only scum reads day 1) this game were atrocious. She ruined a slot that was practically town read by all with her play. If town she's played really poorly.

A) this is an inaccurate portrayal of my day1 reads
B) i was playing in a way that i knew would be perceived as scummy day1 so as to not eat the nk. You even made an observation about that, assessing how likely i was to be nk'd, which i found scummy

[skitter30]

her claim makes town!her jumping to simple/complex theory on day 2 more likely, not less likely.

Yes

I do not understand what garmr is pushing rn

[skitter30]

Yes, i am aware, all in good time. We wanted to out the masonry later but some people did not particularly like that, remember? So i claimed, they'll claim soon.

Looker first tho

[skitter30]

Yes, i am aware, all in good time. We wanted to out the masonry later but some people did not particularly like that, remember? So i claimed, they'll claim soon.

Looker first tho

You mean Skellen anyone else and I would consider it a scum claim.

I would prob lynch you over january rn

Also i'm befuddled why scum would rb january last night

[skitter30]

You mean Skellen anyone else and I would consider it a scum claim.

Ah yeah, you can chill. Obviously I am Mason #2.

God knows when Looker and Suji will show up again.

We're all satisfied now?

[skitter30]

Players on V/LA status will be prodded after 72 hours of inactivity and will have 48 hours to respond to their prod.

@mod can you prod looker?

[skitter30]

Or like in an hour, i guess

[skitter30]

Yep. That's why our scumpool going into today was tictac/una/looker

Una died tho

And tictac lolhammered the dunn wagon

And looker is vla

[skitter30]

He's townie for him

[skitter30]

I'm not interested in him today

[skitter30]

VOTE: garmr

[skitter30]

I dont understand this setup like at all

[skitter30]

Ya i dont get it.

Maybe looker is an ok vote too. We need suji to claim too

[skitter30]

I feel like garme is trying to make jan lynchable rn

Like i'm just having trouble seeing how we end up with an fl lynch day1 and a dunn lynch day2 with a lurker scumteam

Like i sont think the game plays out as it did without there being at least one scum in garmr/tictac/jan

[skitter30]

I feel like there's too much town power but i tr january

[skitter30]

That's kinda why we scumread you given how you were on both oynch wagons ...

[skitter30]

Dunn maybe, but i feel p strongly that scum were involved in the fl wagon since the largest cw was all town on town

[skitter30]

Also hey creature

[skitter30]

Sup

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.
so like sheep me.
VOTE: Robbnva

Hehe I want to see this fight

creature you need to claim now

[skitter30]

Can one party tell me why is january being universally townread and the other party tell me why should we lynch january?

her fruit vendor claim

i still think garmr and tictac or scummy
i would vote looker over wake tho, looker's reaction was awful

[skitter30]

Just woke up.

Will read over game after coffee.

and ...

[skitter30]

ya ok we can lynch looker, i guess

[skitter30]

yes, claim please

[skitter30]

how confident are you on scum!garmr

[skitter30]

ok january's just town, then, i think

[skitter30]

any more confident scumreads?

[skitter30]

probably not enough town power with her being scum

[skitter30]

me and skellen are masons
jan is an odd night loyal fruit vendor
fl was a complex announcing pt cop
saudade didn't claim

everyone else claimed vt

[skitter30]

i kinda want to say that creature is town
saudade is town
jan is town
skellen is town
i'm town

so there's three scum in {garmr, tictac, looker, wake} and we just need to find the one townie in the bunch and we're good

[skitter30]

january i think you probably do the motion thing in that group ? ^

[skitter30]

oh sorry the mailman is me, i forgot to say that there ^
(i claimed this earlier too)

also jan is actually an odd loyal night motion detector, i don't know why said fruit vendor either

wake who are we lynching today?

[skitter30]

yes, i claimed that

[skitter30]

Skitt can go whenever she wants, not because of january, but because she's a mason

Oh also i'm the mailman, we sent a message to wake n1 telling him to do something along the lines of 'use the word 'happy' in your first three posts and have your second post start with the letter m if you get this'

[skitter30]

wake who are we lynching today?

[skitter30]

i don't want to lynch saudade today

[skitter30]

my lynchpool today is: garmr, tictac, looker, you, and possibly creature

[skitter30]

the mason claim is true

what do you think of a garmr/tictac/looker team?

[skitter30]

because this doesn't feel like his scumgame

[skitter30]

also if you don't believe the mason claim what do you think the town power is?

[skitter30]

the mason claim is true

what do you think of a garmr/tictac/looker team?

wait you think that's a viable team I get me and tic tac since we were jiving. But me and looker? you do know that's mariar slot right.

Idk if it's a viable team, that's ehy i'm asking
It's more that i think i tr everyone else to some degree or another and you're the people who are left

Idk why should i think you/looker(mariar) are not a team?

[skitter30]

Saudade i think wake's town tbh

[skitter30]

He's like last out of my lynch list today, i think

[skitter30]

What are you looking for from me?

[skitter30]

Bleh i really dont think maria was scum tho

[skitter30]

Not sure i see it really. Why would he think its a 9p mini ?

[skitter30]

Bleh i really dont think maria was scum tho

u wanna lynch wake instead?

Dont think scum!wake picks a fight with masons / questions the validity of the claim

[skitter30]

Idk, that's why i'm having trouble
Lynch you most probably

[skitter30]

I dont know how to make 3 of {creature, garmr, looker, tictac, wake} into a scumteam that makes sense

[skitter30]

And i refuse to believe that there's no scum in {garmr/tictac}
I just dont think that the game plays out this way with an entirely lurker scumteam

[skitter30]

Idk, that's why i'm having trouble
Lynch you most probably

see why i'm having trouble trusting yer judgement on garm?

Yeah well you keep trying to lynch people that i think are town and you had an awful hammer yesterday on someone who was town

[skitter30]

Oh yeah i'm baffled by that too, tbh

I think it points to garmr because everyone else una was sr'ing i'm p sure is town and garmr has a history of nk'ing peoppe who sr him

[skitter30]

Why does jan kill una tho

[skitter30]

Why exactly did you have an awful hammer again yesterday?

[skitter30]

skitty is scum
VOTE: skitter30

u not gonna sheep leaf deathread?

skitt-scum/confident scumteam/doc-dodge
^one of these probs true, buti think jumping to skitt-scum is too early.

Why would anyone in their right mind doc skitter? She was scummy asf yesterday.

Oh right, this was awful too

[skitter30]

i was bored, and seemed like a good idea at the time

Yeah this isnt a good reason, sorry
Why was it a good idea at the time?

[skitter30]

oh that's scummy

this is fun

like, maybe garm is a loyal fruitvendor, or maybe it's just a gambit.
u know if ya received fruit or not.

not answering that question was SCUMMY ASF

Oh yeah so was this
Still dont get how you got to a sr of me here

[skitter30]

to hammer or not to hammer, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The yawns and bogs of countless lurkers,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by policy-lynch, end them?

eh
VOTE: dunn

More interestingly why did you drop your push of me to hammer ?

[skitter30]

Can you point to a towngame where you did that before? Or espoused a similar thought process?

I'm kinda baffled how you'd think that was a good idea

Pedit regarding the hammer

[skitter30]

No.
I scumread you because not answering that question was the only safe path for scum-you, and you took it.
Garm saying he was gambiting gave scum you a reason to stop witholding the info, but did not give one to town!you.

thus:
no consistent motivation for town-you to withold the info initially.
clear motivation for scum-you to withold it.

additionally, i do believe ya pretending that ya don't understand. nothing i've been talking about is super hard to understand.

No, maybe i was a tpr who was wary that scum!garmr was trying to out me, and that there was subtext that prevented me from wanting to give a straight answer at that time

I dont get why you'd think your scenario was more likely than anything else

Also if i were scum i'd have just made an educated guess and ran with it, at that point i was reasonably confident he was bluffing anyways

[skitter30]

I dont think you had any reasonable way of knowing he wasnt a pr at that point and ... not hammering without a claim is basic mafia 101 so i really dont get why you'd make an exception there

[skitter30]

u can always talk yer way out of anything that isn't a guilty.

Maybe i would have called his bluff at that point, idk

I think not-commiting is riskier than making an educated guess

Also can you like point me to a game where you were town and there was a conftown you were at odds with?

[skitter30]

I dont think you had any reasonable way of knowing he wasnt a pr at that point and ... not hammering without a claim is basic mafia 101 so i really dont get why you'd make an exception there

[skitter30]

Also can you like point me to a game where you were town and there was a conftown you were at odds with?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76983
day 2 tried to lynch the tracker, there's a bit of fightintg after he claimed.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61950
my first game. i was super paranoid when the cop claimed.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77461
i think the IC tried to lynch me? that one is kinda hazy.

Ok i will check these, ty

[skitter30]

I'm not trying to piss you off, i'm sorry if i did.
That was my perspective of your scumgame and i'm going to go back and check to make sure my memory is accurate

[skitter30]

January why do you think looker is a better vote today than, say, tictac?

[skitter30]

Also i would like you to check in {garmr, looker, tictac, creature} plz

[skitter30]

Eh we can put wake in too

I dont think that looker/wake is a thing given looker's vote on wake after massclaim

I'm kinda ready to end the day but i'm just nervous if i die that you lot will ignore my tictac/garmr reads

[skitter30]

I cant really control not dying tho :/
I can keep mentioning my sr's tho

I would prefer you try to get a clear in that pool irregardless of looker's alignment

[skitter30]

i guess i'm ok with that, but if she dies overnight i'm going to read this as virtue-signaling and an attempt to grab towncred

[skitter30]

lylo tomorrow, but with conftown

[skitter30]

and you got to that conclusion because ...

[skitter30]

vla for like a day

i've been having a ~not great~ weekend and i need a bit of a break
plz don't lynch without me

Understood

- AF

[skitter30]

tyty

[skitter30]

i guess i'm ok with looker if that's what we're stuck on today

the slot does need to go before lylo

in case i die:

- skellen is a mason
- i am *very* confident on saudade town (and wake's vote on him is ridiculous, but wake's doubting of masons probably doesn't come from scum)
- i'm p sure jan is town

i think all scum are in {garmr, looker, tictac, creature, wake}, in roughly that order, and i want jan to check one of those people

i will make sure to leave my thoughts in the masonry overnight

[skitter30]

i still think mariar was townie for her tho, i just want to highlight that

wake, don't lol-lose the game tomorrow by lolvoting for masons.
just like if you're town and do that after i went to bat for you i'll be kinda pissed

[skitter30]

was that addressed to me?

[skitter30]

Bleh my gut says looker is just being awful and isnt scum

This is one of those compromise lynches that rc was talking about recently

Creature disappearing is not making me happy either

[skitter30]

Ok, i guess any objections to hammer?
Creature is making me nervous tbh

[skitter30]

Should we run it till he needs to ne replaced?

Bleh idk

I know where scum isnt
I dont know where scum is

I dont feel very confident about flipping anyone rn

[skitter30]

@mod

If creature doesnt respond before hammer, what will happen to his prod timer?

[skitter30]

Like i just dont want the entire replace cycle to start again tomorrow because we happened to hammer first

I'd rather just hammer right after he's announced to be replaced to guarantee that something will happen with the slot and that he doesnt get to perpetuate the cycle by responding to the prod overnight and starting anew tomorrow

[skitter30]

No, i'll hammer (or you or whoever) once creature posts and does stuff or if he gets replaced

We dont need him to lurk tomorrow too and start the prod cycle agaib

[skitter30]

No, but if he doesnt i'd rather get the replacement process now/overnight than 3 irl days into the next day

[skitter30]

Rather that the replacement search/catchup happens overnight than taking up half of a potential lylo dayphase

Esp for a slot that has fairly little content to the point of damaging the entire game's monentum

The slot claimed last today, we had wait a few irl days for that to happen. besides for creature popping in twice (and doing very little when he did) the slot has been effectively empty for about a day and a half now

[skitter30]

Ok, i guess any objections to hammer?
Creature is making me nervous tbh

What does your gut tell you?

Gut says mariar was town, looker is scum
Which is not helpful and is contributing to my indecision, sorry :/

I'm ok with hammer if you lot will work on the creature slot tomorrow

Reminder that i believe saudade to be town

[skitter30]

probably doesn't come from scum!creature ^

[skitter30]

that's starting to become a little bit annoying

[skitter30]

garmr my reads are literally never holistically that bad, and i have a 5 person pool that i'm p damn confident contains all scum, so please stop with the potshots

i don't know exactly who in that pool is town but the fact that you're discrediting everything i'm saying is becoming old and p scummy

[skitter30]

i really don't know what to do about creature

[skitter30]

wake, don't lol-lose the game tomorrow by lolvoting for masons.
just like if you're town and do that after i went to bat for you i'll be kinda pissed

again just want to highlight this if you're town wake ^

because i see this being how the game ends in some universes tomorrow if i die

[skitter30]

ok my final guess on creature is that he's town, but confidence is not super high, this is a gut read

january, in {garmr, tictac, creature, wake}, and try to aim for a clear
(i would prefer in the first two but i would be ok with a check on any of them)

VOTE: looker
the slot needs to go before lylo

scum is in {garmr, tictac, creature, wake} in roughly that order i would say

[skitter30]

Good job town and garmr!

Jan you were great !!!!

Thanks aaron for modding !

[skitter30]

Nope, you were awesome !

[skitter30]

jan you were fantastic day2, i just want to say!