Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Menalque]

Okay, but consider this: she’s scum

[Menalque]

Here’s how I see it:

I think there is a more compelling individual case for amrun being scum than anyone else rn

Both in terms of her play today and throughout the game

If I’m right and she’s scum, then that softclears me imo

So even though you will inevitably be shot tonight then we’ll still have someone who is able to lead (me) in a position where scum can no longer really push them

If scum have got a gun left we’re fucked anyway I think? Unless you shoot scum as well tonight in which case it would go directly to 3p lylo

[Menalque]

I’m passing out rn but I’ll case tomorrow if you’ll listen

[Bingle]

Eh, I'm probs not lynching there today, but knock yourself out.

I'm fairly willing to just take you town at face value for the moment though.

[alimdia]

Alim, why did you change your claim?

I was trolling cos I thought someone was trolling by not claiming gun.

First, Bingle I hope you know that scum has a NK as well in addition to any guns

Secondly, I thought we all knew I was trolling when I changed my claim. I had breadcrumbs for night 3 rose and shit that I Showed ya all...

Damn, I was hoping you'd stand by the claim. That makes this more complicated.

Why did you think you were worth keeping around by casting doubt on your ability to be nightkilled?

See above

[alimdia]

Like even if I’m wrong on all my townreads, and both datisi/Ico are scum, DW or alim is the partner, never Menalque.

If one or more of them is right, both DW AND alim is scum.

Btw This doesnt even make sense. Your TR of datisi came out of nowhere 'tone'.

Realising that from my POV theres 5 people to sort and 3 of them are scum, I too can say that X and Y person are always scum after 1-2 TRs by using POE. It's really lazy logic, I've actually got a case on Amrun or Mena being scum but nobodys bothered to read/comment on it and we kinda just wasted a long time on this 'massclaim'

[Amrun]

I think Bingle’s alim point is good, and his plan is good.

I think the lynch should be DogWatch. No truly viable teams work without her or alim in it, and alim is out for obvious reasons.

@Amrun whats your post 3138 doing/implying?

Sharing who I think we should lynch today? I’m sorry, I fear I’m not understanding your question?

[Amrun]

Like even if I’m wrong on all my townreads, and both datisi/Ico are scum, DW or alim is the partner, never Menalque.

If one or more of them is right, both DW AND alim is scum.

Btw This doesnt even make sense. Your TR of datisi came out of nowhere 'tone'.

Realising that from my POV theres 5 people to sort and 3 of them are scum, I too can say that X and Y person are always scum after 1-2 TRs by using POE. It's really lazy logic, I've actually got a case on Amrun or Mena being scum but nobodys bothered to read/comment on it and we kinda just wasted a long time on this 'massclaim'

My point was that from my POV, DW can only be town if datisi/Menal are scum together, I think, or a couple of outside combos I don’t think are true.

Even from other people’s POV, I think DW would be in most viable solves.

What does my read reversal on Datisi have to do with this at all?

[Amrun]

Can I towncase icon instead?

You can, but I'm traditionally really hard to convince with towncases.

Have you read the whole game? (No judgment just asking)

Not even close.

I asked because I think Ico’s day 1 in context of flips makes him extremely town.

He started railing on Salamence20 and trying to get him lynched near deadline when leading wagons were all town and sally was a universal town read (and he was NK N1, in fact). The tone and the way he went about it made me feel town about him ever since then. There was just no scum motivation for this action.

[alimdia]

I think Bingle’s alim point is good, and his plan is good.

I think the lynch should be DogWatch. No truly viable teams work without her or alim in it, and alim is out for obvious reasons.

@Amrun whats your post 3138 doing/implying?

Sharing who I think we should lynch today? I’m sorry, I fear I’m not understanding your question?

This is 3138

Same for alim - they don’t care, really, they’re just being flippant and more worried about being seen as town than solving the game.

please show me where you are seeing alim do this?

Please see alim’s posting on this page.

yeah not seeing it

She was literally saying she was obvtown, we’re both questioning her on it. I’m super behind, crazy at work, first day back

Show me her solving??

No, show me where alim is trying to be seen as town

[Amrun]

Oh I was dyslexic for a minute.

I was trying to get icon to show me why he thinks you’re town, because I want to see what he says, since in that moment I trusted him most as town.

I fucking hate misreading in LyLo. It haunts me. I hate having poor reads in general and this game has just been the shits for me in that regard. That S_S townflip and then texcat slot being the gun really hurt my soul. Of course I would re-evaluate.

Menalque is scummy for saying it’s scummy to re-evaluate in this gamestate, in fact. Anyone who isn’t re-evaluating like him is probably scum.

[Amrun]

Like I have two choices. Commit to my poor reads in hopes it doesn’t get me lynched since at least I know I am town. OR actually try to ensure our lynch hits scum, even though that’s so difficult with 3 scum left. In order to achieve B, I have to accept that my lease of the game is definitely skewed, so I have to step back and figure out where I went wrong.

Right now I think I went wrong right on day 1, for giving a Menalque an easy townread I didn’t question enough later, and especially for not fighting hard enough for a DogWatch wagon. I let it go in later days for poor reasoning, but when I first voted DogWatch, I really liked that vote, maybe more than any other vote besides S_S and gamma/texcat that I had all game.

[Amrun]

*lense not lease

[Amrun]

Alimdia, you too seem to not be fluid enough in your reads and questioning my re-evaluation, which I don’t like. But still slightly different from the way Menalque is doing it.

[Iconeum]

Hi bjingle!

[Iconeum]

@jingle, when ur catching up, reading earlier stuff, keep in mind that your slot has been the 'we should lynch this' consensus for several days

you being the gun is actually great

[Iconeum]

Datisi/Alim/DW?

[alimdia]

@Amrun what do you think about my statement on the last day and today that one of you/Mena must be scum?

[Iconeum]

@amrun

i'll take that towncase of you on me please (want to see why )

[Iconeum]

@DW, I need you to post your reads now that you know i'm not the conftown

[Iconeum]

one of datisi/menal

alim/amrun

and DW

I don't think menal/amrun fit the scumteam

Bjingle

[Iconeum]

Alimdia, you too seem to not be fluid enough in your reads and questioning my re-evaluation, which I don’t like. But still slightly different from the way Menalque is doing it.

Amrun, of all players left alive, who do you feel is not really interested in sorting/reevaluation?

[Datisi]

Datisi/Alim/DW?

one of datisi/menal

alim/amrun

and DW

I don't think menal/amrun fit the scumteam

Bjingle

alim over amrun?

[Iconeum]

amrun over alim i think

[Iconeum]

i don't fucking know

but i don't really wanna go against the shared scumread of our flipped towns :s