Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Amrun]

How is he manipulating team reads?

He posted his Dann comments 700 posts (half the game at that point) after they apparently were written to create the impression his entire team had reached some level of consensus on me

This seems kinda tinfoil to me.

its also just wrong

if you are employing the scum strat of looking townie via your team, you ask your team to give you (fake) reads. you don't just randomly write stuff and then @ them to fill in reasons, and you especially don't fill in the reasons yourself.

Oh for sure, but is tinfoil like this scum indicative? I kinda don’t think so maybe?

[Amrun]

VOTE: DDL

Mathblade thinks the game is devolved into TvT nonsense. I don't think his scumteam is totally accurate (Nancy NaCL Pine). He said if he was wrong DDL is scum.

I want to flash wagon DDL because no one TRs him and see if the bickering is TvT.

Hectic, I'll read your hood soon but can you talk in plain English?

I think I may townread DDL.

Can a TR be spicy?

[Titus]

Who wants to play LoLChess?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Who wants to play LoLChess?

How do you play that? Sounds like fun. I invented an inverse version of chess, where the winner is the player who loses all of their pieces first.

[DrDolittle]

Titus why are you listening to math blades 4th strongest scumread, when he and I have never played together even. Sounds like you're trying to push responsibility of you voting me?

[Titus]

Titus why are you listening to math blades 4th strongest scumread, when he and I have never played together even. Sounds like you're trying to push responsibility of you voting me?

Onto who? My hydra partner who has zero say or postings?

Second, a fourth read us not that deep with three scum alive. It's the one I like the best.

Aren't you concerned at all with the lack if townreads on you yet this is the first time anyone tried to wagon you?

@Nancy, LoLChess is a slang name for Teamfight Tactics.

[OkaPoka]

That's just antichess

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's just antichess

Lolchess? or the one I mentioned? I named it, “take me”, because everything is the same in actual chess but reversed. It actually a lot of fun, you won’t know until you try it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@DDL, did you ever post any kind of readslist? If you did, can you link it? You’re kind of a null- tl for me atm, so I would like to get a stronger read on you, thanks.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: DDL

Mathblade thinks the game is devolved into TvT nonsense. I don't think his scumteam is totally accurate (Nancy NaCL Pine). He said if he was wrong DDL is scum.

I want to flash wagon DDL because no one TRs him and see if the bickering is TvT.

Hectic, I'll read your hood soon but can you talk in plain English?

I think I may townread DDL.

Can a TR be spicy?

Could you explain why you townread him? I liked his very first post but remember disliking followups.

I finally got some teammate time, this is eir reads, e didn't read every word of the thread, mostly recent stuff:
Eddie, NaCl, Amrun, Krazy, SS, Titus, highest tier
PK (e said e gets his own tier because even though e seems town e feels like PK is just hard to read so it feels like the same read I had except I'm arrogant)
DDL, ND39, Elsa
Pine, Hectic, Oka, and Bob

The biggest disagreement here is definitely what e thinks about Eddie and Amrun. E said e buys that they are solving eachother. I'm mulling over it

@Titus - let's play lolchess

[popsofctown]

Ali is mad I didn't talk about eir bob read
E said bob seems really like he's ahead and a deepwolf and that 669 (i think that was the number? ) seemed really comfortable

I didn't post it cause I was kinda like, I push deepwolf to the back of my mind, to me that means "I'm probably wrong". But I understand eir argument

[popsofctown]

E said it was 1966
And I think E is angry I didn't bother to check and make sure I had the number right.
I was 95% sure ok Ali

[popsofctown]

It bothers me that 1966 has this teabagging assumption of reading everything I do as scum but doesn't actually canvas for votes, that might be what Ali means by saying it's a post like he's ahead.

It has been really interesting to see how Ali's approach to town (oh wait I don't have to backspace VT thanks Ed) VT is different and makes me wish maybe I hydra'ed more, though I'm pretty firmly against the unfair advantage element and want pure-hydra-games to come up

[OkaPoka]

E?

[popsofctown]

idk why I capitalized E the second time. Just Alisae's pronoun.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I had to pick a "vanity wagons aren't wagons" wagon for pk's sake I would say that Elsa has a point about the movement off of Hectic's wagon and underneath my pity for him being forced to dress business formal that may have been a towndriven scumwagon

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think I’m jealous, I haven’t gotten any kind of readslist from any member of my team yet. Where do I submit my complaint?

[Eddie Cane]

It bothers me that 1966 has this teabagging assumption of reading everything I do as scum but doesn't actually canvas for votes, that might be what Ali means by saying it's a post like he's ahead.

It has been really interesting to see how Ali's approach to town (oh wait I don't have to backspace VT thanks Ed) VT is different and makes me wish maybe I hydra'ed more, though I'm pretty firmly against the unfair advantage element and want pure-hydra-games to come up

Theres a phone operator too, so yes, if you were town you would have to backspace VT.

[Eddie Cane]

@Elsa you're as bad as Yume, btw. I dunno why people sign up for an event like this if they dont intend to play the game. I'm saying this with you voting with me.

[Eddie Cane]

Mm, your iso isnt actually as barren as I thought it was, so I'll retract that and half apologize. The comments like "I havent proved I'm town??" and "who is eddie" are all that came to mind.

[Eddie Cane]

Oh for sure, but is tinfoil like this scum indicative? I kinda don’t think so maybe?

In general, nah. Here, I think so, because it's part of trying to bury me. If hes town, its confbias, but if its mafia its just the strat of saying a lot of things and hoping people dont look too deeply at any of them.

I still am not currently voting them. If my solve of the game is completely wrong and it's like some SS Piss Pine team, I'm not going to get there with pops and krazy still alive. I really dont think I'm that wrong though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Please don't call me "kid" or any other noun that doesn't describe me.

I think my vote is on Amrun right now, it'd be about the same as if it was on Eddie. Moving it doesn't matter, people changing their minds would matter more than the integers next to the names.

Why is Amrun scum?

Amrun is willing to lynch basically anybody. I can't remember a time she's come to this thread and said anything in the vein of "X seems like the hot wagon right now, but Y has higher probability to flip scum and serves my wincon and we should move to it".

I've seen players like Titus have that attitude as town and that's probably the kind of Titus we have here, but my interpretation of her timings and justifications leans towards this being the scummy wine-in-front interest in wagons that well slide into hammer quickly and get the first mislynch before this game gets re-paradigmed to have some scum in the consensus scumreads.

Just something about this feels forced. Feels more like your trying to float ideas to see if there are any takers for them. Rather than you actually genuinely pushing a read. More feels you trying to feel for the more effective counter wagon to yourself.

I see your pushing how armum said he was ok for nacl lynch. Yet armum never actual even voted him to 4 votes. He could have but he didn't. Also missing the fact that we all know there are 3 mafia in this game. Thus that there are 3 players that can be scum. Therefore, a person can be happy to lynch from a list of 3 scum reads.

You also imply that armum is just going to whichever wagon is going. Yet you fail to mention that he wasn't on hectic second time round. Why do you think he did not rejoin the hectic wagon as it regrew?


You vote for armun after the nacl thing but you don't actually pressure and question. You don't try and narrow down his reads. Try to determine other than pine who he is scum reading. As he could very easily be town scum reading nacl and pine. But have a preference for pine.


You don't try to determine before voting why he would be ok joining nacl wagon. You just call him out for it because he is already voting another player. Yet as we know a player can have more than one scum read.

You even jump on something that could genuinely be mistake. Who hasn't written a sentence only to find it no longer matches the one next to it. For something that is so easy to do you jump on with surprising conviction. You later even say it can Nai but at the same time it can't be for armum as he must be scum.

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on titus you first say oh it could be town her. But then you start floating the idea that it could be scum her. If you were scum reading her for it I would've expected the first sentence to be missing. Even then your details are light. In the post you say the timing are off but dont actual explain why.

Was this the actual post you meant to quote? @Pops

[Nancy Drew 39]

It bothers me that 1966 has this teabagging assumption of reading everything I do as scum but doesn't actually canvas for votes, that might be what Ali means by saying it's a post like he's ahead.

It has been really interesting to see how Ali's approach to town (oh wait I don't have to backspace VT thanks Ed) VT is different and makes me wish maybe I hydra'ed more, though I'm pretty firmly against the unfair advantage element and want pure-hydra-games to come up

@Pops, any idea why this particular post comes across as super awkward?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Pops

[popsofctown]

I forget the phone operator can be a neighbor, because the assymetry of the setup is awkward. I don't really see how that's scum indicative, my PM doesn't say "non-phone operator neighbor".

I don't know why you think the post is awkward Nancy.