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[kuribo]

I still don’t like it. It reeks of scum threatened by me.

You're overthinking things.

Don't make me warn you about getting between me and scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I maintain that its unlikely town has any actual threats as of yet

I’m always pre-coital.

Scum have paranoia threats, i bet you that.

[Ankamius]

I maintain that its unlikely town has any actual threats as of yet

I’m always pre-coital.

Scum have paranoia threats, i bet you that.

Yet Farkran died?

[Flavor Leaf]

I maintain that its unlikely town has any actual threats as of yet

I’m always pre-coital.

Scum have paranoia threats, i bet you that.

Yet Farkran died?

They were targeting you, I believe, and had just recently started town reading me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm actually reasonably confident that the major conflicts are either TvT or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

it's more productive to look on the outliers for that and see who's working the sides of it than anything

this reminds me that chenn mentioned stuff about this that would indicate town although I'd need to double check to lock that

if the pieces are falling into place properly, GIF/Deas/Gamma/'lurkers'/EP/elements should probably have the scumteam

I'm struggling to see most of the other players fitting into this right now

Ok. May i suggest taking a step forward from simple generalization and try to concretize these posts into actual names?

Volpe vs FL = TvT
Farkran vs Chennis = TvT
Farkran vs Nom = TvT
Farkran vs Ankamius = TvT

...that's a lot of farkran, adding in that i've been fighting with FL too. You must really think i am bad at being town, if every one of my "fights" has been picked against town. I'm not taking it on a personal level or being prideful, i just find it hard to believe that you think i have been wrong every single time, yet you're still townreading me. I would understand not being sure, but *all* of those people -including me- are hard townreads of yours.

I see that you are treating Nom vs GIF and volpe vs Elements, perhaps Maria vs Daves? in a different fashion though. However... i don't understand why? What's the difference?

I've finished my reread of GIF ISO, can't find anything wonky or scummy in there, but i found out that my hardtownread was probably mostly out of early agreement bias and i may need to update it. I'd like someone to point out anything i am missing.

On the other hand i think i don't scumread FL anymore after his recent exchange with chennis. Dave and gammagoey probably fell for the bait, but reacted spontaneously so that's a confirm about dave for me, and improving my gammagoey read.

VOTE: ankamius

You’re pushing it like Fakran died for no reason, and I’ve been trying to avoid bringing it up, because I town read you earlier pretty strongly, but these were literally Fakran’s last posts.

It makes a hell of a lot of sense for you to kill Fakran. And I’ve been trying to test the waters to see if I think it was a frame or not, but everybody was pushing the NKA aside. I don’t think it was some random kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've been working from both scum! and town!anka POV when reading your posts. You are not aggressive nor inquisitive, which is usually a scum trait in my experience, but i have seen town players do that so it's nothing decisive.

I'm only aggressive when I'm confident in my own conclusions and find inherent value in pushing them, I'm not going to be aggressive when I'm not expecting any results from what I'm pushing

I had a lot of issues with deathtunneling years back so I'm more careful about what I push and why

Ok, trying from a different angle: how are you scumhunting in this game? What are you looking for in people's posts to form reads, besides activity and effort?

Because my problem with you now is that i don't see you doing any of that. It is early, but you're feeling way too cautious and you seem to be expecting the game to solve itself, but contrary to a lurker you are also paying enough attention and posting stuff that i see as empty. This is the point of me asking you "why am i wrong?", because surely you don't think your posts are empty... i guess?

Also what's the point of having a readlist that almost coincides with post count? Did you notice it at all?

oh

yeah you just don't understand my playstyle

huh

my first thought was not having farkran's read hang over me would help me get more into the game

but I'm even more uninvested than before

strange

There was 1 more brushing off Fakran for not knowing your playstyle post on your 1st page of ISO that didn’t show up, and I feel like your constantly shutting down any pushes I make.

[Ankamius]

It makes a lot of sense for me to kill farkran, yes

It makes sense for nearly everybody to kill farkran, yes

If you got that I was saying farkran died for no reason, then you're just putting words in my mouth. I think farkran died because he was a universal townread and generating the most information. Who in their right mind doesn't kill farkran?

[Ankamius]

I posted 1969 because farkran was expecting me to look at people's posts and just get reads, when that's generally how I go about it when I don't have any reads at all.

My process is very different after I have any sort of grasp on the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

It makes a lot of sense for me to kill farkran, yes

It makes sense for nearly everybody to kill farkran, yes

If you got that I was saying farkran died for no reason, then you're just putting words in my mouth. I think farkran died because he was a universal townread and generating the most information. Who in their right mind doesn't kill farkran?

I wouldn’t have killed Fakran. I wasn’t town reading him as strongly as you guys were, and he had just come around town reading me, something that wasn’t necessarily going to be happening throughout this game, and now I seem to be in the semi clear after Fakran dies?

Hell no, I’m being sheep dogged here.

Sheep dog gin’, when scum are actively guiding, or herding, a townie to play into a specific area in the game to have them completely controlled and contained, even if they go unpredictable. They let them run in their little pen, and if they become a hassle, they can just take them out.

[MariaR]

Oh my lord, it's obvious Fakran died for a reason. But acting like we can reasonably figure out those reasons is stupid and a waste of time.

[Ankamius]

Alright genius, who exactly do you kill in his place than

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright genius, who exactly do you kill in his place than

Volpe.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think GammaGooey or Maria have scum in them. I feel like they’re part of the same neighborhood, and one is driving along the other, if that makes sense.

[kuribo]

Oh yay NK analysis again


Lemme just grab this bag of chicken bones and some brick dust and I'll join in

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright genius, who exactly do you kill in his place than

Volpe.

Maybe GIF.

[Ankamius]

You'd nightkill into the single biggest source of tension in the entire game?

[Flavor Leaf]

You'd nightkill into the single biggest source of tension in the entire game?

Yes. Do you think I wouldn’t?

[MariaR]

I think GammaGooey or Maria have scum in them. I feel like they’re part of the same neighborhood, and one is driving along the other, if that makes sense.

This is baseless and holds no merit. The only way to prove or disprove this is by giving you information on if we're in the same hood or not. That is pretty scummy in and of itself.

[Ankamius]

Certainly not the play I would've made!!!

[MariaR]

Like, is FL being stupid or obviously scummy

[Flavor Leaf]

I think GammaGooey or Maria have scum in them. I feel like they’re part of the same neighborhood, and one is driving along the other, if that makes sense.

This is baseless and holds no merit. The only way to prove or disprove this is by giving you information on if we're in the same hood or not. That is pretty scummy in and of itself.

Then don’t. I’m not asking you too. It’s a comment made to see if I’m correct later in the game. No need to worry about it now.

[Flavor Leaf]

To

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, is FL being stupid or obviously scummy

This is pretty much the golden standard comment for FL town who’s about to get into deep solve mode, regardless of what Maria’s alignment is.

[MariaR]

Alright that answers my question.
pedit: Oh boy this I gotta see

[Flavor Leaf]

Certainly not the play I would've made!!!

Sort of the point that was being made here from the beginning.