Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Bingle]

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

No. Ele has proven leash resistant and you’ll know I’m conftown and thus trustworthy. Ceph blocks Ele. You block Dave and A50.

[Bingle]

Also literally ignore every word gobble posts when I flip town. He’s not townsiding, he’s siding against me specifically because he blames me for his being culted.

[Miss Lane]

i targeted elements last night

OK. I'll wait for KidAmn and if he didn't Jail Bingle that's where my vote goes.

Also, just realized gobble claimed JOAT. I always had him down as FN. HOWEVER, I don't see UT faking a result on gobble here because UT would be found out if gobble flips Town.

Tinfoil: gobble AND IT are the cult pair, and they're going head-to-head so that whoever flips falsely confirms the other as Town.

If you can confirm elements to have the killing role that he's been claiming to have since day 3, A50 is willing to vote him.

Like literally elements is a 400% mechanically better lynch than gobble.

I'm having significant difficulty understanding why this is the case.

I personally would like Elements to be unblocked so we can get to my <10 and then both leave the game, something about being in this weird in-between period just feels unsettling.

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

No. Ele has proven leash resistant and you’ll know I’m conftown and thus trustworthy. Ceph blocks Ele. You block Dave and A50.

When has he made a bad kill?

[EspressoPatronum]

Could you please not end the day today? It's actually the first weekend in like 6 months that I'll actually have some time for playing and it's fucking awful to end a day on a Friday and start playing again on a Monday

What would you like to discuss? I'm kinda down to end the day soonish tbh, as we already have a decent night plan set up.

Unless something really unexpected happens, the next few days of the game are going to be spent working through our lynch list.

[Antonio Chargetta]

/in for next

[Pink Ball]

I don't know, sports and stuff. I miss playing, I know I've been absent for the longest time and I want to be part of this. Maybe just some shout outs to everyone in here, I'm feeling pretty good

[Pink Ball]

/in for next

Lol. Best ninja ever

[chkflip]

Day 9 vote count 9.01

Bingle [L-1] -

Cephrir, gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum, davesaz, Almost50, Pine, Elements

Day 9: 14 alive, 8 lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 16:18:04)

[Bingle]

When has he made a bad kill?

Creature was a bad kill.

GE was a bad kill in that he should have been shooting for the CL and Gamma was objectively not the CL. Also, he was supposed to be leashed that night (to A50) and then, you know, didn't do that, which is the more important distinction.

I'm fine with you having the joint win, but you're gonna have to wait for town to get there through lynching because Elements has proven that he's incapable of being trusted to shoot in town's best interests. (Which is fair.)

[Miss Lane]

When has he made a bad kill?

Creature was a bad kill.

That depends on who you're talking to. You're making the accusation that Elements resists being leashed, and this kill is exceptional evidence to the opposite of that, ESPECIALLY if you think he's a bad kill in person, because a very vocal number of players were requesting that Creature be vigged, which is close enough to the definition of a leash that arguing otherwise is pretty ridiculous, especially considering that I don't remember any players suggesting any other vig shot (although it's possible they were there, just less outspoken.

GE was a bad kill in that he should have been shooting for the CL and Gamma was objectively not the CL. Also, he was supposed to be leashed that night (to A50) and then, you know, didn't do that, which is the more important distinction.

The very fact that you have to justify this by saying that Elements should have been shooting for CL which had not been publicly established weakens your argument for Element's bad shooting even more.

Gamma Emerald was

scum

. You're arguing that Elements' kill of

scum

was anti-town right now. Yes, you and I both know that CL is a mechanically optimal kill for town, but to make the claim that this is a bad kill because you expect everyone else to know that by default is a little much. If it had been publicly established otherwise, maybe, but even then at this point in the game, Elements had shot 1 player who he was aggressively requested to shoot, and 1 player who flipped scum. Your argument for him being anti-town or leash resistant are both a little weak here.

[Miss Lane]

I'm not opposed to letting Elements shoot Gobble just so we don't have to deal with him (presumably) literally throwing the game for what's left of cult until he either gets tired of it or gets lynched

No. Ele has proven leash resistant and you’ll know I’m conftown and thus trustworthy. Ceph blocks Ele. You block Dave and A50.

"Elements is leash resistant"

When has he made a bad kill?

Creature was a bad kill.

GE was a bad kill in that he should have been shooting for the CL and Gamma was objectively not the CL. Also, he was supposed to be leashed that night (to A50) and then, you know, didn't do that, which is the more important distinction.

I'm fine with you having the joint win, but you're gonna have to wait for town to get there through lynching because Elements has proven that he's incapable of being trusted to shoot in town's best interests. (Which is fair.)

"Two kills both prior to Elements being outed as SK and therefore attempted to be leashed."

Shut up, lol.

[Miss Lane]

Wow, I'm shaking. Ok time to go do something else for a bit.

[Miss Lane]

Sorry. If y'all wanna roleblock Elements, sure. Just don't make up stupid arguments to defend it.

[Bingle]

Gamma Emerald was scum. You're arguing that Elements' kill of scum was anti-town right now. Yes, you and I both know that CL is a mechanically optimal kill for town, but to make the claim that this is a bad kill because you expect everyone else to know that by default is a little much. If it had been publicly established otherwise, maybe, but even then at this point in the game, Elements had shot 1 player who he was aggressively requested to shoot, and 1 player who flipped scum. Your argument for him being anti-town or leash resistant are both a little weak here.

It had been publicly established. It was literally the entire conversation the prior dayphase. But w/e. I don't think you're going to convince anyone here that elements is both protown enough and paying enough attention to be trusted with a kill.

"Two kills both prior to Elements being outed as SK and therefore attempted to be leashed."

What? GE kill was after both you and I had outed knowledge that Ele was SK (my investigation and your claim) AND after Ele had given up on his nexus claim.

Further, he was scheduled to shoot A50, who DEB was supposed to hide behind. Literally the whole reason we didn't lynch DEB the day before. Not only was that protown, it was pro SK because it would have theoretically gotten rid of multiple slots.

Yes. He's proven leash resistant. If you're going to try to argue otherwise, at least read the relevant parts of the game.

[Miss Lane]

It had been publicly established. It was literally the entire conversation the prior dayphase. But w/e. I don't think you're going to convince anyone here that elements is both protown enough and paying enough attention to be trusted with a kill.

No. It hadn't. Not on Night 3. And I don't give a fuck about convincing anyone to let Elements be unblocked, I'm just very allergic to bullshit.

What? GE kill was after both you and I had outed knowledge that Ele was SK (my investigation and your claim) AND after Ele had given up on his nexus claim.

My bad, I thought GE had died earlier; your claim is less false than I originally imagined.

Further, he was scheduled to shoot A50, who DEB was supposed to hide behind. Literally the whole reason we didn't lynch DEB the day before. Not only was that protown, it was pro SK because it would have theoretically gotten rid of multiple slots.

Since when has NOT getting rid of multiple slots been pro-SK?

Yes. He's proven leash resistant. If you're going to try to argue otherwise, at least read the relevant parts of the game.

The "at least" here is remarkably ironic, given the amount of ignorance you're insistent on spouting here.

[Miss Lane]

Yes. He's proven leash resistant. If you're going to try to argue otherwise, at least read the relevant parts of the game.

A condescending tone doesn't make a wrong statement true.

[Untrod Tripod]

Ah yes 4 wincon games

In which scum argues openly with an sk. Great timez.

[Bingle]

Whether shooting for cult or gs was better on n3 was better is irrelevant, considering elements policy vigged

creature

a strong town player who posts a lot and was fairly obvtown when he died. A shot scum Zor congratulated him for.

Getting rid of multiple slots is pro sk. I gave ele the chance to do that, and he still ignored the leash, proving either that he’s just unwilling to be leashed or not reading. Hence, trying to leash him is a bad idea. He hasn’t made any other provable kills since outing.

AND I’m still arguing that you should be given the chance to win with town if at all possible because I love 3p roles so maybe you should reevaluate which hill you want to die on. I get you think you’ll earn good will for shitting on me if I flip scum, but you’re gonna find that that goodwill won’t be forthcoming when people realize your arguments are dumb AND when I flip town.

[Bingle]

Ah yes 4 wincon games

In which scum argues openly with an sk. Great timez.

Dude, I’m town. I’m not sure why I haven’t been hammered other than Pb wants to not talk about mafia in this thread for two days, but there’s literally nothing else left to be said. I’m not gonna let a 3p cast shade on the correct play of not just hoping the sk plays ball with the town, when he’s already proven he won’t do that.

[Miss Lane]

Whatever Bingle.

I like you. I'm not shitting on you.

I'm pissed because I hate bullshit and that's what your whole shpeel on Elements looks like to me.

[Elements]

Jeez guys, just forget about me

[Elements]

I'm just you're friendly neighbourhood sk.
Nothing to see here.

[Pine]

^Why are we letting this live again?

As far as I can tell, we need to turbolynch a shortlist of known/evidence-based scum and third parties. This pissing away a week to talk about our feelings shite is nonsense.

#justlynchalready

[EspressoPatronum]

Day 9 vote count 9.01

Bingle [L-1] -

Cephrir, gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum, davesaz, Almost50, Pine, Elements

Day 9: 14 alive, 8 lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 16:18:04)

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#justlynchalready

Just waiting on the hammer from any one of RCE, ML, PB, UT, KA, or xofelf.

[Pine]

I fucking hate the current site meta that dictates we delay a strong lynch “for discussion,” then we don’t have anything to talk about.

We have an effective guilty (Bingle) and three(!) admissions of non-Town alignment on top of reasonable strong suspicions.

Get

On

With

It