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[Alisae]

ok so those are scumreads LOL

[Alisae]

ok so those are scumreads LOL

How so?

It’s a pretty generic readlist that can adapt to any wagon in the gamestate. Perfect for trying to read the table.

[Alisae]

Wagoning kerset omegalul

[Alisae]

Bit u should go back to voting mastina imo

[Alisae]

Who is gonna reasonably support it other then u and shadoweh

[Alisae]

Bit u should go back to voting mastina imo

Actually why are you asking me to go back to voting mastina when you're not even on the mastina wagon?

because ur doing more voting mastina then you were voting hito

[Alisae]

I'm not really doing anything atm with my vote so u got a point i'll go back to mastina
VOTE: mastina

[Alisae]

If you mislynch Mastina it's gonna leave a real bad impression on your tiebreak scores

the surveys are a complete joke hello?

[Alisae]

is my hito vote that bad?

I'm not sure you would have to talk me into the read because I don't see it
but the vote itself ur not exactly doing anything with

[Alisae]

if you play the game it's gonna leave a real bad impression on your tiebreak scores omegalul

[Alisae]

Shadoweh what does your team have to say about me?

[Alisae]

me2 chemi boi

[Alisae]

E was scum in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy where e basically did a hard distance on eir scum buddies.

that's your takeaway from that?

[Alisae]

E was scum in Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy where e basically did a hard distance on eir scum buddies.

that's your takeaway from that?

I was very upset after that game.

cuz man i rly don't like that theater stuff and only went along with it because it only made sense to go along with it.
I wanted to win that game w/o any theater imo

[Alisae]

tho there is also stellaris where it was mostly me piloting tsuchinoko
Maybe you read that game?

[Alisae]

I think you guys change your reads astoundingly quickly and often, I don't get it tbh. I don't really change my mind until actual info enters the game.

I try to keep an open mind at all stages of the game and I work better once I understand associations and the gamestate.
I'm like this a lot D1 where I just don't exactly know what to do?

[Alisae]

tho there is also stellaris where it was mostly me piloting tsuchinoko
Maybe you read that game?

I may have skimmed that game for the most part.

that is some of that good shit
I remember back when that game started I was way more mentally better then ever too so there's that.
Good fucking times

[Alisae]

I also posted some dam good memes in that too

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

tbh I'm indecisively paranoid about being wrong as town and don't want to admit that I have no idea what I'm doing

its ok

[Alisae]

ig I won't be doing that Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door Let's Play on MS huh

[Alisae]

i'll do it if RC takes back what he said

[Alisae]

grr that didn't actually work I'll do the PMTYD let's play

but instead I'm obligated to post something else and unless RC takes back what he said then I will post it.
He knows exactly what I'm talking about

[Alisae]

alisae I guess I am weakening the town read of a bit, because every time I mention to eir that I'm willing to listen on reasons to vote mastina/jingle e's just kinda been...not caring? the whole point of the klick trust fall was to emphasize that I felt a proto-bloc being built and it feels like a step backwards that alisae is back on mastina once more without caring to resolve the massive chasm in our mastina reads at all. Like if Alisae is shot tonight and I live, shoudn't e be a little more worried how different the agendas we're pushing are? To a degree this is kinda academic because alisae still isn't remotely on my lynch list at all. just feel like it's worth saying.

This is because, and to be completely honest with you, yes I have reads but I have no direction. Like I have reads but I am having trouble being proactive its just not happening.
I stalled and waited out because I wanted to give you a nice case but when I go back and think about it, maybe I was just shocked and thats why I had the reaction I did when I had it.

Like ummm
I had Jingle in my unsorted and put him in scum because it wasn't something anyone was really talking about
he then interacted with me and I think he's trying to solve.
Pops also likes Jingle atm and I trust her read more then mine.

mastina is like,
my team thinks she is definitely not town, I don't think she's town.

[Alisae]

Let me grab my reads hito, lets talk, we've been meaning to have this discussion about Jingle and mastina, lets get it out of the way.
I need to stop being reactive and actually get back into the game because honestly I've been super out of it.

[Alisae]

Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap
Hito Klick
GE jjh ofhrz
mastina jingle

This was my last read list I remember posting

This is what mine currently looks like

Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap Hito Klick
Jingle
ofhrz mastina jjh Reundo

[Alisae]

Shadoweh seems to just be solving and I don't think she's really considering "who is the best person to push, who is the best person to defend" she seems kind of like she's just doing her own thing.
Chemist recongized this and thats why he's here for me.
Hito's feelings on me are what 100% within expectations if he is town. If he's scum, I don't feel like he would be concerned and he would just let me continue to not really do nothing.
Bitmap seems really genuine to me and I think his solving and play this game comes from his town game.
Mena's concern with Gamma I think comes from a place from town.
Kerset is getting beat up by scum and they just seem fine.

Reundo's reads to me come across as reads from scum. It looks like a readlist that was crafted from the perspective of "who should I defend" and "who should I push"
The only thing that makes me think my solve is wrong at this very moment is the fact that his scum are literally everyone else.

The rest are just PoE. I feel like a lot of the shit mastina is saying is bullshit and this is moreso the clash of beliefs of "She thinks Bitmap is scum, I don't, therefore I think she's scum."
Her play is just super different then how she's normally like. You can call this a gut feeling ig.
Like maybe this is just how she normally is and I'm just stupid but I really don't think so.
The mastina I remember in AvP was desperate to survive and I recognized that, but had to push it against my own will because Katsuki is a shit player.
She just doesn't feel the same. I feel like I should have been consider the thought of "Yep yep, thats town!mastina" by now and I genuinely haven't had a single moment where I thought "yep, yep, thats town!mastina"

ofrhz's posts I hardly remember but she's mostly here because of PoE

jjh I feel like is posting from the perspective of "who should I defend" and "who should I push"
pops also said that she feels like jjh is planning things steps in ahead and that if he's scum, he's probably winning.
Like everything I felt like he's pushed just seems super icky to me. Like he just knows too much.
If my reads are good atm, I think this is the read that is the most correct.
VOTE: jjh

[Alisae]

oh I just noticed I didn't talk about Jingle.
I think Jingle is starting to increase in towiness for me.
I started noticing that he's looking and considering the motivations of other players and pops mentioned to me that she likes Jingle's agenda.

Pops specifically compared Jingle to jjh, jjh seemed to be more informed and in control of the gamestate where as Jingle is just doing the best he can to try to solve.

[Alisae]

Hito what do you think about the gamestate?
I think the gamestate has been fairly slow and the only real person who has been posting whenever they can is jjh.

If anything, I feel like they are super not okay with the gamestate given they're trying to find something that will work.

[Alisae]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
I'm finally motivated to play mafia I get its like literally midnight and most people are asleep but aaaaaaaaaah I thought someone would still be here

[Alisae]

holy shit you're scum!

[Alisae]

well, there's a quiet gamestate that no one is really trying to proactively change.
And you are trying to proactively change it.
You do not like the gamestate, you tried to push on Bitmap that very clearly didn't work, but now you're pushing on Kerset and trying to see what will work what doesn't work.

[Alisae]

well, news flash,
Kerset is likely town and so is Bitmap
your pushes suck

[Alisae]

Yeah I think scum are going to be active in a gamestate they do not like.
You do not like this gamestate at all.

[Alisae]

Like the gamestate atm is low activity.
no one is really doing much of anything

[Alisae]

Like, I would like to point out that there was activity when Bitmap and mastina were fighitng. People were fighting each other for Bitmap or Mastina, and the game was active when those 2 were fighting.
Those 2 are not fighting and the game isn't active.

[Alisae]

I don't like the Mastina wagon, sure

But you know my meta? Like, why is activity from me concerning to you at all?

your activity is still samish for both alignments nowadays no?

[Alisae]

I think the jjh I used to know and the jjh you are now are different and its been so long that I'm not sure what the differences is anymore

[Alisae]

and you really haven't been changing people's minds

[Alisae]

oooh

[Alisae]

ooooooooooh

[Alisae]

holy shit that's enlightening

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.

You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Xofelf

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: Krazy

Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

Okay Alisae, I hate meta as much as anybody, but I went looking for this paragon of scumhunters, JJH:
viewtopic.php?t=80094&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Can you please walk me through what I should be looking for? Because how he interacted with people is different, because the people are different. And certainly he did more as the game developed. But I'm not seeing the large differences.

I'm well known for putting little stock in meta, but I'd love it if one of you can tell me what these damn differences are? What should I be looking for? What am I missing? This game, is as of now, 4 days old. In the town game I lynched, everything before this post was the first four days: viewtopic.php?p=11083459#p11083459

What was the extra stuff he did in that game? I am happy to vote with confirmed town, all the time, as long as there's at least a glimmer that the wagon makes sense. But I need the wagon to make sense to me. JJH's votes speak to me on a primal level. You could practically chart the course of his game. He:

- RVS pokes around at some people
- Votes Xofelf because it's any case is a good case when the game is a day old, it moves the game forward
- Votes Krazy because Krazy is producing zero content and he notices that.
- Votes UT because see above
- Votes Ari because lets face it, Aristophanes cheeriness has been FAKE AS FUCK and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little jumpy at that slot. Especially since I looked up this previous game and it TURNS OUT ARI WON THE WHOLE THING FOR PINE SOLO and lets face it, drafting the guy who won him the whole thing solo again is both cheeky and smart, and Pine is cheeky and smart.
- Votes Krazy because lets see, did Krazy add any content or do anything?
- Votes Ari because see above
- Votes Krazy because see above
- Votes LLD because he's slightly sold on the case, and voting Krazy is not getting results
- Votes Krazy because he isn't sold on the LLD wagon and Krazy is still producing zero content and he's not going to let that slide

Christ it's like Dennis the Menace dotted line trails here. I see exactly what he's doing.

Going through these and applying the mindset to Big Four
I feel like you're voting is a lot more like your town gameplay then your scum gameplay

ok you can be town sure

[Alisae]

man jjh, tbh, Spring Fever was a long time ago and I don't really remember that game.

[Alisae]

you've earned my cooperation ig

[Alisae]

I haven't read big four
I skimmed over it just now because I wanted to see if what GreyICE said would apply to here.
Just looking at that ISO now there's a big difference between your voting there and your voting here.

[Alisae]

my memory sucks dude

[Alisae]

look you wanna dwell on this or would you like to chat about other things.
Look let's start with reads.
what does your list exactly look like, I know some of your reads like Bitmap Kerset scum mastina town but I don't have a grasp for all of them

[Alisae]

I'll order mine from strength again
hito, jjh, bitmap, shadoweh, mena
Klick, chemist, Kerset
Jingle
mastina
ofrhz Reundo

[Alisae]

what are skitter's reads?

[Alisae]

Legends of Hidden Speakeasy II

Also I have reads from NSG but it’s mixed in with RC since we were discussing about it in discord. I’ll paraphrase it later when I’m home from work.

Did you get the chance to do this?

So RC thinks we can find scum but thinks the gamestate is at a point where giving reads is not a good time right now. He thinks when we or when anyone else catches scum, it'll be pretty easy for scum to push either my slot or mastina. This needs to be resolved before there can be any serious approach to hunting for scum.
Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.

NSG has no intention of giving reads right now as well until this whole thing settles.

Also what do you think of this?

[Alisae]

I think there's a good chance that scum is hard defending me because they know I'll flip green and am an easy lynch which gives them a vehicle to push jj and mastina to the wall and control game state.

But I really don't care anymore so... yeah.

also what do you think of this

[Alisae]

pops wants to kill Kerset and considering her read on them is probably more fresh and reliable then mine, I'm going to follow it.

pops concerns with Kerset is that he hasn't spewed town to pops yet and she feels like she should be able to see a town!kerset rather easily.
We both agree that when Kerset said "let's sort bitmap while RC is asleep" that was towny, but Kerset doesn't seem solvy as pops was hoping he would be.

VOTE: Kerset

[Alisae]

Just vote kerset dude

[Alisae]

Chemist do u wanna get NK’d for once?

[Alisae]

If so I have some free advice

[Alisae]

Have you considered putting i the work and effort

[Alisae]

Because the people who get nkd put in the work and effort

[Alisae]

Additionally if u already are doing that, then my next piece of free advice is to go lay better

[Alisae]

play*

[Alisae]

I’m sure my boi Tommy thought filming the room was a new and creative strategy he decided to experiment with as well

[Alisae]

Oh u never seen the room wow

[Alisae]

I’m sure the developers for Bubsy 3D thought making Bubsy 3D was a new and creative strategy they decided to experiment with as well

[Alisae]

Maybe if I change that to a dunkey reference u’ll get it

[Alisae]

Chem Ik I’m Giving u a hard time but I enjoy playing with u so...

[Alisae]

I’m sure gobbledygook thought claiming N3 bodyguard in a fucking normal micro was a new and creative strategy that they decided to experiment with

[Alisae]

New and creative strategy

[Alisae]

Mena is posting elsewhere on site but not here

[Alisae]

Ah yes this is why I love having u in my mafia games

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Ok look I rly should sleep tbh

[Alisae]

Ok nsg is wrong ig we kill bitmap

[Alisae]

Ok so I flip town and then town kills you
I like this gameplan

[Alisae]

Sure trust the princess paragon that’s fiiiiiiine
Nsg should be able to read me correctly
If she wants to out an incorrect read u can die when I flip.

[Alisae]

Jingle u should be townreading me by now

[Alisae]

ok let me rephrase
me staying up all night until 6am waiting for someone to hopefully come on and my interactions with jjh and me wanting to interact with hito is town indicative for me.

[Alisae]

I feel so demotivated to play this game. No one beside me put thoughts in to this. Everyone just make reads based on personal relations and sheep whoever they like. Relation between mastina and jjh is so obviously sinister. Still after 58 pages people are only looking at their personal targets and take no efforts to solve the background. I don't except players to solve this game by now or look away from me. I am rather sure penguin could post all players abilities right here and people would just scroll their eyes through it without reading. Then they would nod get back to their business, without any concern what those abilities were. This is the kind of commitment that people outside of scum agenda have.

ok this is scum

[Alisae]

actually what does pops say

[Alisae]

she likes the ate
I think Kerset is blatantly lieing

[Alisae]

what are words

Why is this u

it’s not I’m 15

wow I thought you were like 16 atleast

[Alisae]

Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

[bitmap]
[Kerset, Klick, Shadoweh]
[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
[mastina]

kerset is there before?

[Alisae]

Grats, chem

Does this mean ofhrz can move up in ur readslist?

quite likely
{towncore}
{Mena, ofrhz}
{rest}
{hito?}
{UT}

hito's progression on me is super solid

[Alisae]

alisae I guess I am weakening the town read of a bit, because every time I mention to eir that I'm willing to listen on reasons to vote mastina/jingle e's just kinda been...not caring? the whole point of the klick trust fall was to emphasize that I felt a proto-bloc being built and it feels like a step backwards that alisae is back on mastina once more without caring to resolve the massive chasm in our mastina reads at all. Like if Alisae is shot tonight and I live, shoudn't e be a little more worried how different the agendas we're pushing are? To a degree this is kinda academic because alisae still isn't remotely on my lynch list at all. just feel like it's worth saying.

like his progression on my slot and here is like
locktownable imo

[Alisae]

{Mena Hito Shadoweh mastina jjh Klick}
{Chemiboi, Jingle}
{ofhrz}
{Reundo}
{Kerset, Bitmap}

[Alisae]

ofhrz?
I saw it but didn't read it and I'ma take his word for it.

[Alisae]

{Mena Hito Shadoweh mastina jjh Klick}
{Chemiboi, Jingle}
{ofhrz}
{Reundo}
{Kerset, Bitmap}

Wait I thought you were SRing mastina? Also why is klick up at top and chemboi isn’t?

I realized jjh is town and did a 180
Klick is townposting and chemboi is still like towny but not as strong to me anymore but its still towny

[Alisae]

also if Reundo is scum I don't think he puts 2 scum buddies in jjh ofhrz and mastina in his reads imo

[Alisae]

What made you realise?

Also has reundo done anything to redeem gamma slot or nah?

few pages back basically I compared his ISO to AvP and Big Four and votes seem to have the motivation behind them similar to AvP unlike in Big Four

[Alisae]

Reundo has straight up scumclaimed

[Alisae]

OK, I finished catching up. Reads:

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM

I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.

VOTE: mastina

like look at this

[Alisae]

am I done with this day?

[Alisae]

I mean I feel like done like I kinda want a flip but at the same time I would like to talk to Hito

[Alisae]

yeah sure its scum so lets just kill it
VOTE: reundo

[Alisae]

who is scum mena besides reundo lul

[Alisae]

oh so you're okay with wagoning kerset?

[Alisae]

ok
let's wagon the guy who is not playing the game instead

[Alisae]

if he's scum then his read list is important
if he's scum then ig he was just genuinely trying LOL

[Alisae]

my modding > my play

[Alisae]

nope not yet

[Alisae]

also jjh we REALLY need to play more games with our hydra

[Alisae]

ig

[Alisae]

jjh I decided


I'm going to have to dock your survey points down

[Alisae]

for future team mafia's, I would suggest an extra slot dedicated for like a coach like position and they would just read all of the games

[Alisae]

chemi vote reundo?

[Alisae]

NSG agrees with my post in 388 where she thinks people treat me as RC's puppet rather than an actual player of this game. It's not to push the agenda of persecution complex but rather she was surprised that people were being in my face about how I was just in the shadow of my team.

no one cares

[Alisae]

like I don't really care about that play the game

[Alisae]

ok but personally I would prefer not to hear about bitmap talk about how he's been mistreated for the 7th time

[Alisae]

so NSG's read on me is based on content after she outed the read and not before?

[Alisae]

ok bye bye bitboi u scum baibai

[Alisae]

jingle she said my reaction was scummy lol

[Alisae]

so NSG's read on me is based on content after she outed the read and not before?

NSG's reply:
That isn't even the

original

reason I scumread you, but I think it's

a

reason to read you as scum.

and I think NSG is nitpicking and biased I win bai bai turn off the mafia game

[Alisae]

but if we want to talk about the actual problem with that is that its a very easy thing to push.

NSG: I scumread this person!
person in question: WHAT NSG SCUMREADS ME SHE'S SCUM
NSG: HAH, FOOL, I'LL USE YOUR READ AGAINST YOU!

its so ez and low effort and so devoid of actual critical thinking

[Alisae]

I uh... I am? I'm voting Gamma. Hearing about the spicy reads helps me with the slots those reads are on. I disagree on Kers and want to know what she sees and have no fucking clue on shadoweh/hito and am interested in why nsg has a read on one but not the other.

Also, Ali, Bitmap said your reaction was scummy. I don't think he's said why nsg thought you were scummy, although you can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. (I also don't really care because I think you were definitely not obvtown ~10 pages ago and the logic in 1625.)

it is because NSG is nitpicking and biased i win bai bai turn the mafia game off

[Alisae]

oh man I love no u fights

[Alisae]

because you have this user by the name of RadiantCowbells on your team

[Alisae]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[Alisae]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Alisae]

MIND BROKEN

PLEASE SEND HELP

[Alisae]

no u

[Alisae]

EXCUSE ME WHAT

[Alisae]

this is cyberbullying

[Alisae]

jay jay hatterson jingle is cyber bullying me ;w;

[Alisae]

jokes on you only I can use that smiley

[Alisae]

I don't even use that smiley

[Alisae]

ah yeah look at that one
so cool
:fingerguns:

[Alisae]

staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

[Alisae]

staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

[Alisae]

i will burn your posts with my mind

[Alisae]

just make 1 bad post and i will burn it with my mind
i got my eye on u

[Alisae]

hehe :3

[Alisae]

WHAT

[Alisae]

OH GOD I SPILLED MY DRINK

[Alisae]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Alisae]

I hope you encounter the white rabbit!

[Alisae]

his teeth are like fangs!

[Alisae]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Alisae]

what did you read

[Alisae]

I was trolling in that game ofc I was a different person

[Alisae]

I HATE multiball

[Alisae]

More from NSG
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@jjh:

I really hope and would be appreciative if you'd consider working with your teammates more or even at the very least providing more opportunities for skitter and the rest of your team mafia team to talk with my team. I know this request is seemingly self-serving, however last team mafia I was in a situation just like bitmap is in now. Ranmaru made things really hard and nearly impossible for us to lynch scum the day we managed to lynch scum, even though despite the fact that Almost50 and his team mafia team was suggesting to him that I was town. At that time, I was asking him the same thing I'm asking you right now. For clarity sake, I'm absolutely not asking you to just abandon your reads or sheep skitter. I hope and wish that you townread bitmap, yes, however more than anything I want to lynch scum today, and this would be a lot easier I think if our team mafia teams can work together.

Just like I've said before, I think that your thought process in 1584 is fairly dangeroud but I plan to go more into this later. In my opinion, it's a bad idea to townblock people just on the basis that they agree with you and think that Alisae is scum who is taking advantage of that (I will go into a bit of theory on scum Alisae, but my main notion is that it doesn't depend on you agreeing with me - in my opinion it's still not a good idea to townread people just on the notion that they agree with you). In my personal opinion the timing of how Alisae reads switch for both you and Bitmap fits into the scum agenda of aligning with / pocketing a town player who is townreading people who agree with eim but then switching to going against someone (bitmap) who has a team that scumreads Alisae. That last sentence was very badly constructed so I'll say it again but in a better and different way: the way Alisae switched eis read on both bitmap and you at close times resembles very much to me someone who is "powerwolfing", and trying to get back into being read in the townblock while demonstrating how e is trying to go against the team that scum reads him.

(Just to be clear and just saying this as a reminder, I have before scumread Alisae before the whole bitmap thing happened, and remember, that's when Ali's read on bitmap switched, after I said my scumread).

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There's 2 more NSG posts and I might just post them tomorrow.

no u

[Alisae]

You think that reundo is scum, but ALSO that Alisae is as well? And you have Alisae and bitmap *together* in the scum tier? who the hell do you think reundo is partners with here?

I feel like this would be town indicative

[Alisae]

I like it how I’m probably going to get some kind of nsg wall and I like how the more she pushes it the bigger she falls when I flip

[Alisae]

Why? Haven't you noticed that players are squadding up in blocs based on shared understandings of the gamestate? Like your own snapback on jjh/mastina when you realized that the puzzle didn't work without em both town? here let me drudge up my cohesion tell hits from my last coupla games and you tell me if you think it's the same thing here

What’s the scum motivation?

[Alisae]

The read hasn’t changed

[Alisae]

I didn’t say that at all?

[Alisae]

I just said that the more she pushes it the more bad it looks for her if she succeeds and I flip

[Alisae]

The bigger they are the harder they fall

[Alisae]

Am I a dumb dumb and didn’t get my point across

[Alisae]

hi

[Alisae]

You think that reundo is scum, but ALSO that Alisae is as well? And you have Alisae and bitmap *together* in the scum tier? who the hell do you think reundo is partners with here? no thoughts on shadoweh not listening to your reason to unvote me, or me keeping a bead on her so long? Just L-2 on the low-hanging fruit while making it all sound like your own idea.

your tone here suggests to me that you think those reads are bizarre. To me that comes up as a red flag because I don't see as scum why she imploys that strategy when its easier to just put the whole bloc as town

As scum, posting this readlist

jjh, mastina, klick, chemist, mena
shadoweh
hito, kerset
jingle
alisae, bitmap
reundo

is extremely bold. If you're trying to do this move, you would have to suggest why you think that I and Bitmap could be aligned with each other, because the only reason why I feel like you would make a play like this, IS to try to tell the world that you think that all of my interactions with Bitboi are theater.
Thats obviously not their play.
If that's not their play, then why are they doing this?
Wouldn't it be significantly safer to just shove me up with the rest of the townreads? You'll raise way less eyebrows and attract way less attention to yourself.
A read list like this and how they presented it is just a flatout risk with 0 reward and 0 planning.

Now, if they're town and reading each slot individually and posted that post without any real goal, then it makes sense.

Its literally why were wagoning Reundo, his read list is super safe, and comes across as playing to a super crowd.

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN

In this readlist, he sides with Bitmap in the Bitmap vs mastina wars.
If you're siding with Bitmap, then you put him on the top.
Klick is a decent person to add up here, he's not being wagoned anytime soon and atm he's decently townie.

{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN

These people are all also fairly townie and not getting wagoned anytime soon

{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL

Now these are people who can potentially get wagoned if things go in their favor. You and Shadoweh are fighting and there's no clear indicator of how thats going to turn out, some people think I'm scummy, and people aren't exactly thrilled with Kerset.

{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN

At the time, this is fairly consensus if you side with Bitmap. I had ofrhz as PoE at the time since remember, I too was also siding with Bitmap, and jjh is also fairly justified here.

{mastina} <- SCUM

And ofc, if you're gonna be in the bitmap camp, then you need to put mastina in the other end.

Also, I want to point out something

Bitmap is at the very top and mastina is at the very bottom.
They're also the first in names in their row.

If you're scum drafting up a readlist to present after having just catched up and analyzed the gamestate, its likely that as he was drafting that readlist, he decided ahead of time "so I'm going to put myself in the bitmap camp which means I need to put mastina at the very bottom" and draft from there.

[Alisae]

hi

sry mate I am going to bed in like two minutes

but that's kind of the long and short of it, if you don't think that ofrhz's read list is wacky and fake sounding (and also that she seems way too focused on sounding independent for her reason on reundo), Bitmap/Shadoweh/and yes even reundo because ofrhz's bad post on wagon doesn't preclude bus, any of those four are all cool with me. Just like, at least let's get this one out there and see? Because I was already biased a bit against voting reundo right this second just because of how boring it is and how little it tells us, and when one of the other people I was watching did a really really sketch post to L-2 vote reundo it makes me want it even less.

I dropped that post because if you were going to stick around, its my way of indicating that I saw it and going to respond to it.

[Alisae]

either way have a nice night ima go to bed as well

[Alisae]

Yawn

[Alisae]

Do you manage to write a wall and convey he subtext of “sorry guys I randed scum I hate this.”

[Alisae]

How do you*

[Alisae]

I mean that how red do post conveys that its kinda crazy

[Alisae]

I mean
However has the most scum pms wins the event lol

[Alisae]

Whoever*

[Alisae]

Honestly I find it more entertaining that reundo scumreads mastina for being mastina
That’s pretty funny

[Alisae]

What more funny was that he didn’t even remember his own read list, he had Hito as null not lean town

[Alisae]

Oh wait I misread it lol nvm

[Alisae]

And also, in TM you objectively want to rand scum because winning as scum is better for reducing the tiebreakers of other teams than winning as town.

Being scum is an advantage.

Didn't all of games end as town wins in previous TM?

NO lmao scum won the games that had modkills

[Alisae]

Me and jingle had to mod the shitshow trust me

[Alisae]

It went 3-2 I thought.

CK permaban was a townwin.
Ali's "We pretended to balance this and then sheep claimed scum" was a town win.
I think TSQ won White flag for scum?
And Transcend's Fuck You was scum?

I can't even remember the last game, tbh. Ether's I think?

But I'm pretty sure the finalists were {People who won a scumgame}.

Worst scumrand ever

[Alisae]

btw does anyone watch internet historian? His latest video on no man sky is pretty good!

[Alisae]

Yeah town won white flag in spite of town

Oh, it must have been that I wanted scum to clutch victory there. TBH, at that point I was way more invested in watching GIF wreck Ali. Best TM 2018 game by far.

EXCUSE ME
WE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT

[Alisae]

STOP IT!

[Alisae]

NO
STOP

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

not for me ;~;

[Alisae]

this is bullying

[Alisae]

a fakeclaim won't get me to fumble because I am a town

JOHN CENA

[Alisae]

WOW DID NO ONE LIKE MY JOKE I HATE ALL OF YOU

[Alisae]

ah yes how is it going chemiboi

[Alisae]

chemiboi do u ever get a chance to watch this this is great

[Alisae]

Yo I actually had a thought
isn't it just the best play for us to lynch Bitmap today?

[Alisae]

Because like
if he's scum with Kerset and/or Reundo, he's the notable person in that scumteam, he would make the kills resolving him.
If we kill him now, the night kills are going to play around another individual's needs. This leaves us with some room to work for in using NKA.

Which btw I don't understand why people call that garbage on this site but ok.

[Alisae]

If we are wrong and we haven't nailed the scumteam but we're 2/3 and there is scum in the bloc and we lynch bitmap now, the kills are going to be made by the individual who is in the block.

[Alisae]

And if there ISN'T scum in the bloc and we are 3/3 (or 2/3 and someone is bussing), there isn't going to be much resistance to lynching their buddies tomorrow.

Lynching Bitmap today establishes dominance and allows us to control the agenda and flow of the game if we're right with bitmap kerset and reundo containing scum.

[Alisae]

like if we're treating him as scum, then he's the threat.
Kerset and Reundo aren't going to fight agtainst the gamestate effectively, he can.

[Alisae]

but is scum

[Alisae]

I'd rather lynch people who I'm more confident will flip scum

and I want to win

[Alisae]

I'm also thinking about what kills scum can take to break up our townbloc if bitmap is scum

[Alisae]

ok but with you dead the bloc is significantly weaker
with the bloc being significantly weaker, its easier for bitmap to break it apart

[Alisae]

sarcasticly: wow mastina, I have no idea what it could possibly be. Would you care to tell us?

[Alisae]

Ah yes let’s fear monger over everyone else by boasting about how ur just better than everyone else

[Alisae]

Either way if I am lynching bitmap, I’m not doing it till around the 3 days left mark
I don’t want to silence RC/nsg if I’m wrong imo

[Alisae]

I see you changing the post order so you got a pagetop Pengu

if your scumslip is allowed to be used as evidence mastina then I will take my townslip and insist its plausable and in fact something only town in a particular instance would say

This is a very plausible thing to say

[Alisae]

Eat a god damn snack or something before you read it you baby

wtf how did u know I would be at brunch right now????? Are you stalking me??????????

[Alisae]

ok so hito I'm reading this post and I don't have a snack
I need to know, is the snack mandatory?
Like if I ate a snack, will it change my view of the case

[Alisae]

cause currently I'm looking at these posts with a snack

[Alisae]

without*

[Alisae]

I read the posts without a snack

Possible side effects include voting Bitmap

I think I should eat the snack then and see if I have a different opinion

[Alisae]

I went with oranges

Apparently I am only allowed to eat Fish Meat Eggs Vegetable and Fruits!

[Alisae]

bitmap what does gif think of this game

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

I am currently in the "discussion" phase with my so called "team mates" about that beautiful page so many things happened on it
mwah
art

[Alisae]

oh also I finally get to watch this tomorrow!