White Flag - TM2020

[Hopkirk]

There's a fairly likely chance I'll take something like that seriously because

personality based reasons

. Didn't read as a joke for me.

Hop 'Hopps' Hop

[CheekyTeeky]

It sounded serious.
I try and treat the person I'm talking to as town to avoid deathtunneling them which I used to do a lot.

I was oversimplifying your posts with my biased angle on purpose to get a reaction. The summary contains my key concerns but I'm not really sure how I feel about you.

You seem too careful. Like sure it could be because you don't want to death tunnel, but why not tunnel me a bit to see how scummy I am? When I'm town and someone misreps my posts, particularly after a long catch up, I get mad, not rational. You seem calmly calculated.

I'll point out some specific issues with your catch up shortly.

[Hopkirk]

What's scummy about what you did?

I wonder if that count possibly be a personality tell. No way of knowing tbh /s

Hop 'Hoppity' Hops

[CheekyTeeky]

Are you talking about my personality or yours?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hop you said gobbles would crack the game for you. Could you tell me what a town gobble and scum gobble mean?

[Cephrir]

i'm all for elitism but cliquishness in mafia is pretty annoying and over-reliance on meta is a great flaw for many otherwise good players

Is this responding to something in particular or are you just ranting

641 + 643

Cephrir can I get a reads list from you?

i was thinking of trying to make one that's why i was looking at post 0
here's something quick

Dannflor- townish
BBmolla- townish
Formerfish- townish
CheekyTeeky- scummish purely because my team didn't like your predecessor
Auro- scum, but not as hard locked as i'd like to be
Dunnstral- idk
Kittymo- town
Cephrir- very handsome
northsidegal- scum, i guess
Hopkirk- townish because my team said so
Dongempire- idk, i find this person to be low charisma which makes them a challenging read
gobbledygook- townish
Espeonage- idk

[Espeonage]

Hey all, cozy weekend, will be back soon.

[CheekyTeeky]

CheekyTeeky- scummish purely because my team didn't like your predecessor
Auro- scum, but not as hard locked as i'd like to be
Dunnstral- idk
northsidegal- scum, i guess
Dongempire- idk, i find this person to be low charisma which makes them a challenging read
Espeonage- idk

I've removed all the town reads - you've got a pretty good poe here, not that I agree but surely with such a narrow field you'd feel good about changing those idk reads into something?

I almost lock towned you for being so handsome

[CheekyTeeky]

How many votes on nsg?

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

northsidegal - 3

(Cephrir, Dannflor, Hopkirk)

Auro - 2

(Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2

(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

Cephrir - 1

(Dongempire)

wguerts - 1

(northsidegal)

Dunnstral - 1

(Kittymo)

Formerfish - 1

(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro, Dunnstral)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: NSG

[Dannflor]

I don't think our reads are that different Dann. Ceph town for both. Dong/NSG not good. Main dif is placement of my tone 'I can't sort these comfortably' reads. I agree they're generating content and doing townie things but I'm not convinced that generally strong players can't just do/sound townie like that anyway if they put effort in which the two of them clearly are. There were a couple of things I liked about Kitty, but she's clearly involved to the point I have concerns about sorting her so quickly/easily. Unless you have specifics?

I guess it's just that I feel our most important reads are flipped. Auro and Cheeky are pretty strong town reads for me, and yet they are your scum reads.

Espeon and FF are my very mixed slots, and yet they are in your town core.

You want to scum read Dunn, someone in my town core

Like we align in some aspects but in other points that I feel strongly about we're just completely off base. And I just find that... very uncomfortable? Obviously we're always gonna differ, but in this case I just have such a completely different understanding of key slots that it's hard for me to see where you're coming from.

[Dannflor]

I liked BBmolla's entrance well enough fwiw

[Espeonage]

I am against Lynching NSG on principle of lurkers being terrible day 1 lynches.

Hop seems p town recently. Kitty has some interesting framing from the skimming I did (sorry the posts are dense).

Not too sure there.

I read all the bits I missed over the weekend. Something doesn't sit well with me from Dann and I can't pinpoint it. I physically cringed at the entire back and forth that happened with telling team members role pms. If I hadn't told my team not to give two shits about this game bc I was town and feeling happy about my ability to win the game with relative ease I probably wouldn't have told my team what my role was either.

I am trying to work out if Auro pressure dropped off bc Auro shut up and town lost interest, or because it was scum pushed. Solving that would make me happy.

[Dannflor]

I am against Lynching NSG on principle of lurkers being terrible day 1 lynches.

She isn't playing the game and we need her to if she's town. If she's not town, she's an excellent day 1 lynch regardless of lurking.

Kitty has some interesting framing from the skimming I did (sorry the posts are dense).

What does this mean exactly?

also literally as soon as we got our role PMs we all told each other on my team, not doing that seems against the spirit of the event to me

why exactly did that exchange have you physically cringing? is it my off-putting personality or do you have a problem with my claim

[Espeonage]

It means I have gut issues with Kitty but can't parse why yet.

bc it was proxy speaking. Play your own game.

On the NSG thing. This is a mountainous game. We ONLY have day play. Wasting the day 1 Lynch on a zero information wagon gives all the tempo to scum to dictate what voices they want being loud bc no one is implicated or soft cleared by an NSG Lynch. It is far far more important to Lynch someone who has concrete interactions other people or poignant lack of interactions with other people. NSG gives us nothing no matter what way she flips.

[Dannflor]

bc it was proxy speaking. Play your own game.

eh sorry if you take issue with this but my whole team are very strong town players and I'm going to use that to my fullest extent

[Dannflor]

well

let's make nsg give us something then

[Dannflor]

I disagree that the nsg wagon is zero information and I think it's very useful even if it doesn't lead to a lynch (though it should if she continues lurking). A scum flip is VERY useful day 1 in this setup even if what you said is correct about it being zero information.

[northsidegal]

dann, what exactly do you think my plan is as scum here? you know that i actually CAN play scum, right? i've endgamed as scum before in white flag (i'm CultOfAthena). i have the capability to put words to paper as scum, especially if it were team mafia, and especially with RC on my team. (personally i would say that the reason i say less as scum in general is more due to lack of interest rather than lack of ability, but that's neither here nor there)

this game is just as important to my team as the others, and that's exactly why we're going with this strategy. i would never be doing this if i wasn't confident in my ability to show that i'm town when the time comes.

voting me is a mistake and won't make me play differently. with the time left in the day and my focus on other games if i switched now then i likely wouldn't get an optimal lynch but i would still paint a target on my back.

[Dannflor]

like that sounds nice but the reality is this is a much better wagon then any of our previous have been

also "we can't lynch lurkers" does not work in a game where have the player list has under 30 posts

If you had to lynch someone other than Auro, who would it be?

[Espeonage]

bc it was proxy speaking. Play your own game.

eh sorry if you take issue with this but my whole team are very strong town players and I'm going to use that to my fullest extent

Knowing your team and knowing your team knows me, it should come as no surprise to them that I don't give two shits what they say if they aren't playing. Bc they aren't the slot and will objectively have an easier time giving real thoughts that aren't NAI. So I would appreciate if you can at least make it clear what you think independently of what they say.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am trying to work out if Auro pressure dropped off bc Auro shut up and town lost interest, or because it was scum pushed. Solving that would make me happy.

What would it take for you to solve this?

[Dannflor]

dann, what exactly do you think my plan is as scum here? you know that i actually CAN play scum, right? i've endgamed as scum before in white flag (i'm CultOfAthena). i have the capability to put words to paper as scum, especially if it were team mafia, and especially with RC on my team. (personally i would say that the reason i say less as scum in general is more due to lack of interest rather than lack of ability, but that's neither here nor there)

this game is just as important to my team as the others, and that's exactly why we're going with this strategy. i would never be doing this if i wasn't confident in my ability to show that i'm town when the time comes.

voting me is a mistake and won't make me play differently. with the time left in the day and my focus on other games if i switched now then i likely wouldn't get an optimal lynch but i would still paint a target on my back.

Yeah, that's exactly the counter point I offered earlier and why I'm more interested in having you start playing this game than actually lynching you.

I am not comfortable with the fact that you seem content to let D1 go by entirely without your influence, and I don't see the value in waiting until D2 given the target you already have on your back as town. Why does this strategy improve our win percent over giving input in this game, even if it's not under ideal circumstances?

[Espeonage]

like that sounds nice but the reality is this is a much better wagon then any of our previous have been

also "we can't lynch lurkers" does not work in a game where have the player list has under 30 posts

If you had to lynch someone other than Auro, who would it be?

I could compromise on most of the playerlist.

PEDIT: Time.