White Flag - TM2020

Dunnstral · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 am

In post 736, KittyMo wrote:- My instincts tell me that the current game state is fairly likely to lead to a Dongempire lynch which I feel pretty ambivalent about, but he's probably who I'd most like to hear from now. I'm struggling to follow the thought process on some of his votes (the Auro vote and discussion that wasn't a "push", the Ceph vote was a "push" but not bc he scumread Ceph)

This seems likely. I think I'd rather move back to gobbledygook after thinking about what I don't like from his posting + how his one post I liked could have been carefully crafted to get suspicion off of himself

VOTE: gobbledygook

gobbledygook · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:32 am

Was at a wedding for multiple days. I will get to this

ISO · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:16 am

In post 749, Dunnstral wrote:I think you had me as town earlier but now it's 'idk' - what happened?

Did I? I dont remember that.

Also, flipping through my own posts a bit, I'm not sure why i listed turkey as townish and I'd like to take that back.

ISO · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:17 am

In post 749, Dunnstral wrote:If you think this, why would we lynch her day 1? It doesn't make sense.

I was mostly hoping a serious wagon would force her to help us before this happens.

Dannflor · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:21 am

In post 748, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dann you've promised two town cases now on hop and Dunn. Should I stop holding my breath?

That's rude!

I fell asleep last night, my big reads list won't be coming until tonight probably. But I did already get the Dunn section done.

Spoiler: Dunn read

also I did not case Hop immediately because when I engaged with him yesterday I was bothered with some things so I needed to think about it

Dannflor · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:28 am

which is to say I am less certain on Hop town than I was when I was talking to you

still probably lean town though so I'll talk about that

Donempire · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:41 am

I havent been able to put the proper focus but if anyones willing to talk in real time i can be up for it. I admit i havent been bothering to respond or make reads because reading walls is way too tiring while also trying to take a look at other team mafia games especially.

Dannflor · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:48 am

Where is your head at right now regarding who you want to lynch?

You're voting Cephrir and yet you say Esp is your top scum read. Who is in your town block?

Donempire · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:53 am

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure im ready to go full on esp yet. I need to read up some more, so i could settle with NSG for now.
My townbloc is still auro and hopkirk, but i would like to see more from gobble. Auros latest posts i still like but i havent read all of hopkirks responses. Either way i'm not going to worry too much about this bundling.

I would really like to push on some of esps weak points but im waiting for a clearing so i can make a full on case on him, i can probably do it in wednesday, so no rush right now. As of now im fine with a NSG lynch but not too thrilled about any other wagons.

Dannflor · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:57 am

well I'll give you a sneak preview of where my reads list is going

VOTE: Espeonage

despite what I've said I don't actually want to lynch nsg day 1, I was just hoping wagoning her would be effective in getting her to play and ehhhhhh

she out bluffed me

Dannflor · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:58 am

Where's Ceph at for you, Dong?

ISO · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:13 am

if i'm being totally honest with myself i actually think nsg is more likely scum than any other slot

but i won't lose any sleep over an espe lynch

Dannflor · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:20 am

I think esp's dancing around nsg was overly lamist and fake in a lot of ways that makes him scum regardless of nsg's alignment

Donempire · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:17 am

In post 760, Dannflor wrote:Where's Ceph at for you, Dong?

I like his activity more than i did when it started. When hes not interacting with gobble or auro the tone in his posts seem natural, so i think the attitude towards those two was because of a personality clash rather than a red pm. I still dont agree on his auro scumread and would like it if he expanded on his readslist, specifically on the why rather than try to give everyone a read to just fill the page.
I dont think ceph flips scum, at least as far as i see.

KittyMo · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:14 am

UNVOTE: Dunnstral
VOTE: northsidegal (L-3?)

This is not a pressure vote.

I feel that I need a reset from focusing on Dunnstral. I did find his reaction to the Return of Gobble surprising but kinda agree with Dannflor that I don't find that trajectory off gobble and then back to be "agenda-y."

Auro asked about BBmolla. One piece is that I feel less ...weirded out by things centering around Joan with the context that it's Yume/Jeanne11 and that meta reads were being made. Other than that, just liked his energy. I know the feeling of expecting to roll scum as a replacement and feeling relieved not to be, and at least for me it's not something that's ever been on my mind to fake when I have subbed in as scum. Needs to be followed up with content obv but.

Dann asked about Ceph, and I think his posts still reflect the mindset I brought up in 147 / 204. I just don't believe he knows who the scumteam is. It seems he sees what he's doing as the best he can for how early in the game it is, and I sense a range of feelings of cynicism/skepticism/nihilism about the game that continually make more sense from someone who doesn't have the answers. The read is pretty visceral for me and hard to translate, which is the only reason I haven't talked about it more.

Hopkirk · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:04 am

Not really feeling it tonight so I'll try and get to this wed. Going to go through thoughts on wgeurts now then catch up later in the week. I saw a few posts on my phone in the bathroom etc earlier but the site doesn't usually show me a submit button to phonepost.

Opening wasn't bad like I was thinking. I think I mixed it up with Dong's.
178 when I looked briefly yesterday this reminded me of a couple of posturing posts scum-Gobble made in my last game. Reading properly It's completely NAI.
[post] 205 [/[post] I like for town.

Nothing really wrong with pre-Cheeky (one or two minor points I like) and I kind of liked Cheeky yesterday except for her asking me why I didn't find something suspicious that I'm not sure why I should find it suspicious (will quote on the catch up in a few days) so that's probably a townread as of (yesterday evening thread size_- though not up to date so subject to change.

I feel like NSG would have been replaced by now if she was a newbie instead of someone with a strong rep. It's been like 8 days since she posted anything other than 'I'm sorry I'm lurking'.

Her latest post definitely doesn't address the two game related issues I have: that she's not revealing her teams' solid scumread from earlier, and more importantly that the posts she's actually made over the last few days saying stuff like 'we have reads and plan to commit heavily day 2' really doesn't make sense if you're trying to avoid the nightkill in a vanilla game. Clearly her team should have mentioned this. I could see them thinking that we'll just assume she's scum after she doesn't die n1 (assuming she is scum obviously), so they're making her such an attractive target that they can say 'scum is just not killing her so that people mislynch her' then act like everyone is against her the next day to cover for a subsequent town mislynch she pushes.

I feel NSG has negative scum equity with Auro though so I should probably reread Auro as a priority and decide how far I stand there.

Hop 'Hoppberry' Hops

Hopkirk · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:09 am

I'll reread Auro/Dong/Esp next time I'm on.
Ceph/FF/Gobble I'm solid on for town. Gobble keeps flipping between solid town and 'why hasn't the scumteam pushed him? Does the thread look like this if scum are actually here and people like Auro?'
Espeon I skimmed lying in bed last night and don't think I liked his entrance as much as I'd thought.
A lot of my scumleans I'm shaky on. I'm more going for townreads and PoE today.
I can see myself sheeping Ceph on a lot of people.

Hop 'Hoppington' Hopkirk

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:00 pm

In post 765, Hopkirk wrote:I kind of liked Cheeky yesterday except for her asking me why I didn't find something suspicious that I'm not sure why I should find it suspicious

In 651 I wasn't saying you should have found my derp summary suspicious, I tried to say that your reaction/tone in response didn't sit right after all the work you had put into your catch up.

Hopkirk · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:02 pm

I'm going to strongly imply there's a pretty good reason my general tone/writing/thinking style might sound odd to you. Let me know if you think it's different to my other games.

Hop 'Hoppity' Hopkirk

BBmolla · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:06 pm

Dong is pretty blatant scum imo

I'll vote NSG when I know I'm not hammering, not gonna put up with that shit, we're not your fucking sidepiece game NSG, play or die

I feel like this game is fairly obvious for the most part? Lot's of pretty readable people in this game.

Although Espy iirc is really fucking hard to read for me, pretty sure I've lost to Espy scum multiple times

Dunnstral · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:10 pm

If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg

Dannflor · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 pm

Why is Dong pretty blatant scum?

I was scum reading him but actually liked his pop in today a little?

BBmolla · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:28 pm

In post 758, Donempire wrote:UNVOTE:

I'm not sure im ready to go full on esp yet. I need to read up some more, so i could settle with NSG for now.
My townbloc is still auro and hopkirk, but i would like to see more from gobble. Auros latest posts i still like but i havent read all of hopkirks responses. Either way i'm not going to worry too much about this bundling.

I would really like to push on some of esps weak points but im waiting for a clearing so i can make a full on case on him, i can probably do it in wednesday, so no rush right now. As of now im fine with a NSG lynch but not too thrilled about any other wagons.

this posts blows

so much fence sitty shit

BBmolla · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:29 pm

In post 770, Dunnstral wrote:If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg

I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

whoever said lynching lurkers day 1 is a bad idea is wrong, everything I've ever experienced has shown proof of the opposite.

you can't read someone if they have no content to get a read from and that only gets worse as time goes on

gobbledygook · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:46 pm

In post 773, BBmolla wrote:
In post 770, Dunnstral wrote:If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg
I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

whoever said lynching lurkers day 1 is a bad idea is wrong, everything I've ever experienced has shown proof of the opposite.

you can't read someone if they have no content to get a read from and that only gets worse as time goes on

BBmolla is the mafia commentator we have sorely missed.

I will look over this game tonight