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[nomnomnom]

What does that even mean

[Dr Easy Bake]

What does that even mean

No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative.

[EspressoPatronum]

Yeah, that's a pretty big wall... but it's kind of important imo.

G2g for a bit.

@MariaR - I'll get to your other stuff later tonight

Below:

It was more directed at your 'woe is me' posts about getting your opinions shut down immediately after you shut down mine. Then you spent a few pages telling everyone how nobody was working together.

I shut down your opinion on outting the hoods because it was objectively bad and anti town. Vs my thing that was trying to understand why people townread you. It's not something in the same category. If by 'woe is me' posting you mean the...2 posts? I made saying that my read on you is shut down then that's a bit of an exaggeration when really they were said in a joking manner not the victim manner you're making it out to be.

Fair. I definitely read your posts through more of a victim tone.

I feel your pain -- from the recent posts I've seen about me, I think people are assuming I'm sassier than intended. Almost all of my posts thanking people were meant to be genuine.

Then you spent a few pages telling everyone how nobody was working together.

No one has been, at all. This whole day phase has mostly been a mess and people having a few 1v1s. I maintain this stance and it's starting to change ever so slightly? Perfect. At least some content is finally coming out of slots like you and DV.

Just because it's site culture to complain about gamestate doesn't necessarily mean it's productive.

Instead of a blanket complaint about lack of teamwork or a stale gamestate, I would suggest any/all of the following:
1. Ask specific player's their opinions
2. Comb through some ISOs
3. Ask for reads lists
4. Give a reads list
5. Give some new reads

I never said complaining was going to solve the issue it's obviously not going to. I've done 1/3/4 on your list and I'm never going to do 2/5 unless I'm asked. It's not fun or worth the effort for me when I know exactly the reaction I'm going to get from people for doing such a thing. The thing is, one player can't just get things going. You need at least two people to do that in mafia someone has to respond and do something. Like now for example. Do you have any idea on who you'd lynch and why atm?

The best I've got on this is that I think our opinions on the game differ here. From what I gather, you would say your grievances were not misplaced because they were correct.

What I'm saying is that airing grievances without offering solutions makes you part of the problem. Not much need to get into this anymore imo, as things have been picking up recently.

[chennisden]

Hi DEB

Are we going to avoid accountability because you don't have a vote, woe is me?

[EspressoPatronum]

I think FL is town. Strong town lead.... However, the chance of FL being scum increases dramatically if Ank flips scum.

Hey Espresso, can you explain why you think FL is more likely scum if Ank is scum? I saw them talking to each other and joking about Ank being a SK in the 5-10 pages before you said this but I'd personally think FL would avoid potentially drawing a bunch of attention to himself if/when Anka flips by calling his scumbuddy a SK.

It's hood related. If rather not go deeper than that.

[EspressoPatronum]

Not gonna lie everything about EP makes me feel uncomfortable

The slot

Didn't you just recently say I was probtown?

The interactions around it

Fair point.

Who's interactions with me stick out to you the most, and why?

[Dr Easy Bake]

Hi DEB

Are we going to avoid accountability because you don't have a vote, woe is me?

Spoiler:

[chennisden]

I also doubt scum flavor leaf just fakes disinterest in the game here

Like the dude has got to have some better strategy

[EspressoPatronum]

Gonna check out those games Ank listed.

In the mean time, can someone who TRs Ank please tell me why?

[chennisden]

Not gonna lie everything about EP makes me feel uncomfortable

The slot

Didn't you just recently say I was probtown?

The interactions around it

Fair point.

Who's interactions with me stick out to you the most, and why?

Yes but that doesn't mean you don't make me feel uncomfortable

Really the way people are going "uh-huh we're going to vote a non-EP person" feels weird and unnatural to me

Don't get me wrong I'm not really complaining that it happened, just weird how it did

[chennisden]

DEB you realize votes are not actually that important right?

[chennisden]

As it stands the most useful shit you can do in a game of mafia are, in this order:

1. Spew your slot town
2. Sort people
3. Id. scum
4. Convince people that whoever you have identified is scum

Nowhere on this list is "vote"

You do not need to be able to vote today to help advance town's wincon. Why are you refusing to do this?

[EspressoPatronum]

@Ank do you have any scum games in which you didn't replace into the scum slot?
You subbed into Fire on the Mountain after 2k posts.
I found Jazz Mafia 2020 but it was another replacement.

On the town side of things, Cat Art was a good one. About to look at the other two, but a scum game at the outset would be nice to compare them.

[Ankamius]

Where we at fools. Need me to push someone?

Eddie says you should vote nom

[chennisden]

As it stands DEB your slot has scum equity for ~reasons~

You also don't seem like you're willing to resolve your slot anytime soon so you dying isn't a great tragedy.

[nomnomnom]

Can we end Volxen already so we can solve this game

[nomnomnom]

I'd like to also remind everyone that Volpe voting me here if you keep our hood into question should show how scummy he is in this whole thing and why you really should see this counterwagon as a futile attempt to redirect from Volxen being caught scum. This whole game collapses once he flips scum. Just please realize the gamestate you're in.

[DeasVail]

Can we end Volxen already so we can solve this game

Are you interested at all in what insights into the slot a replacement would be able to offer?

[nomnomnom]

No.

[kuribo]

what insight do you expect from scum?

[nomnomnom]

I think the slot is scum, Skitter who I know has spot on insights on Volxen also thinks it's scum, no contribution, there's no reason to wait for a replacement here for me. As I said before the only thing this will do is that scums will not vote there in hope that the slot towns it up a lot so I get wagoned to death instead. So no I don't want this to happen because I already know this is going to happen. There's no reason to wait at all.

[kuribo]

Like I'm in no huge hurry so don't get that twisted, but replacements into a scum slot never leads to insight. It just leads to obfuscation, Mist, and unaccountability.

[DeasVail]

I'm not as certain that Volxen is scum. I can't really justify a townread on him after further thought, but I'm feeling cautious.

[kuribo]

I mean that's fine but don't expect those of us who are scum reading him to think there's anything to be gained from that slot except a red flip and lots of mocking the dead

[nomnomnom]

I'll say this again there is literally no reason to read Volxen town here and if you can find one point it out to me. Meta insights also point to scum!volxen.

On top of that when Volxen flips scum, we have a very easy Volpe lynch coming through because his trajectory is completely scummy.

There is literally no reason not to vote Volxen here.