BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[RCEnigma]

First.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not following Nancy. Are you assuming A50 was targeted twice?

[Venus and Mars]

Rolestopper, for the last fucking time.

So, then Titus didn’t clear him and why couldn’t there have been a roleblocker as well? Why does scum rolestop A50 only but not roleblock him?

Titus never cleared him.

You can't roleblock someone that's rolestopped.

That's not how that works.

Amrun said she has reason to think renegade didn’t exist and enchantress would then back up what Titus was saying, because I just really don’t understand why scum would rolestop A50. If it’s not possible to do both, then wouldn’t roleblocker make way more sense? Why does scum rolestop him?

[BrightEyedFish]

Nancy,

Of all the people here, you believe my vig claim?

[50 Judge Powers]

That's redundant if the modifier itself is weak.

The modifier is NOT weak "in itself". The mod "could" choose to make it so. Even this phrasing is vague, as it could also be interpreted as "the mod could choose to couple that with a Weak modifier" just the same.

My point is I claimed it on D1, gave you the details from my Role PM, so if that was in anyway pre-planned or faked then it still is accurate because I would have bloody checked with Boon beforehand.. long long before I claimed.

Even assuming the worst (not the duck though); let's say I tailored a fake claim on my own without getting back to Boon. Now I don't even know the names of the roles/modifiers Boon uses. so I must've went to the Bank (Boon's, not my local bank) and checked the definitions of roles/modifiers I intended to use to fake claim, and if I did then I must've seen the definition you are talking about, and if I did see it I must've asked Boon (would have had to) to clarify that part for me, the same way I asked him about how my modifiers worked exactly because I NOTICED a different phrasing under Recharged vs the one used under Desperate (The "action will fail" vs "action not going through" bit I already talked about when I was explaining why I believed there had to be a Miller role in this game back on D1).

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not following Nancy. Are you assuming A50 was targeted twice?

Apparently you can’t be both rolestopped and roleblocked. And obviously rolestop would explain Creature fail but why? Why does scum rolestop A50 rather than roleblock him? Unless rolestopper is town, so alien doesn’t exist? It did in LNT.

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy,

Of all the people here, you believe my vig claim?

Are you saying it was a joke?

You said your action ended the day, right? That sounded legit.

[RCEnigma]

Why does it have to be scum? I see merit in a town! rolestopper targeting A50. Also you're assuming scum would have both abilities.

Also there is evidence renegade exists unless you think Titus and I are scum together fabricating it.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not following Nancy. Are you assuming A50 was targeted twice?

Apparently you can’t be both rolestopped and roleblocked. And obviously rolestop would explain Creature fail but why? Why does scum rolestop A50 rather than roleblock him? Unless rolestopper is town, so alien doesn’t exist? It did in LNT.

Because rolestop blocks actions on the target. If scum doesn't have a roleblock they can't use it.

[Venus and Mars]

Why does it have to be scum? I see merit in a town! rolestopper targeting A50. Also you're assuming scum would have both abilities.

Also there is evidence renegade exists unless you think Titus and I are scum together fabricating it.

No, I’m not assuming anything but Amrun said she has reason to doubt it. Why would you jump to the conclusion I think either of you are scum? Yes, if no enchantress then town rolestopper would make sense.

[Venus and Mars]

I have no reason to believe in the boogeyman existing.

I know there's a Renegade. That much is proven. From what they gave Titus I'd wager they aren't town. So, for an Enchantress to exist they'd either have to be town or at least a different alignment from the Renegade. And since this game was advertised as only having a single mafia entity? That means that either a) an Enchantress doesn't exist (highly likely), or b) something aside from an Enchantress, like a Rolestopper (as has been mentioned multiple times), hit A50. (less likely BUT answers why nobody could target A50).

I have reason to highly doubt Renegade exists

. That’s all I’ll say.

[RCEnigma]

Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.

[Venus and Mars]

I have no reason to believe in the boogeyman existing.

I know there's a Renegade. That much is proven. From what they gave Titus I'd wager they aren't town. So, for an Enchantress to exist they'd either have to be town or at least a different alignment from the Renegade. And since this game was advertised as only having a single mafia entity? That means that either a) an Enchantress doesn't exist (highly likely), or b) something aside from an Enchantress, like a Rolestopper (as has been mentioned multiple times), hit A50. (less likely BUT answers why nobody could target A50).

I have reason to highly doubt Renegade exists

. That’s all I’ll say.

@Amrun what is your explanation for Titus getting the message that her abilities are now disabled?

[50 Judge Powers]

chkflip is my favourite player in this game

Amen to that (for real). <3

[Venus and Mars]

Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.

So why do you think Amrun is saying this, then?

[RCEnigma]

I saw her post it. I don't see how Amrun could know if a role does or doesn't exist. Or how she explains modifiers being given without a renegade.

[Venus and Mars]

I saw her post it. I don't see how Amrun could know if a role does or doesn't exist. Or how she explains modifiers being given without a renegade.

I have no idea but she seems to be extremely confident about it.

[RCEnigma]

I don't know. First thought was attempting to discredit Titus' claim but she's lined up with Titus gameview and isn't pushing that angle.

So it sticks out as an odd comment but I haven't been able to parse it.

[50 Judge Powers]

my guesses are Almost misunderstanding

Boon: Can I quote my Role PM and get modkilled for it, but receive no site-wide ban??

Alternatively, we could lynch me and see how my Role PM is phrased exactly, the lynch Titus next (my bet is she would also be a mislynch) and you all can live happily ever after.

[Venus and Mars]

Amrun doubts the existence of renegade but she hard tr Titus, so that’s all I got. I definitely believe that you and Titus believe renegade exists but Amrun doesn’t.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't know. First thought was attempting to discredit Titus' claim but she's lined up with Titus gameview and isn't pushing that angle.

So it sticks out as an odd comment but I haven't been able to parse it.

Yeah, clearly no discredit.

[RCEnigma]

Amrun doubts the existence of renegade but she hard tr Titus, so that’s all I got. I definitely believe that you and Titus believe renegade exists but Amrun doesn’t.

It doesn't make sense as a scumplay at least.

[Venus and Mars]

my guesses are Almost misunderstanding

Boon: Can I quote my Role PM and get modkilled for it, but receive no site-wide ban??

Alternatively, we could lynch me and see how my Role PM is phrased exactly, the lynch Titus next (my bet is she would also be a mislynch) and you all can live happily ever after.

You know Boon can’t answer yes to that? He doesn’t even have the authority to modkill anyone without consulting the listmod first.

And if Varsoon direct quoting his role pm is any indication, I don’t see how you wouldn’t receive a ban, because it would be deliberate and if Boon granted you permission, he’d be looking at a ban himself.

[Venus and Mars]

Amrun doubts the existence of renegade but she hard tr Titus, so that’s all I got. I definitely believe that you and Titus believe renegade exists but Amrun doesn’t.

It doesn't make sense as a scumplay at least.

I have no reason to think either of you don’t believe renegade exists but I don’t think Amrun would be so confident about that without good reason either. And there isn’t anything that says there can only be one variant role, is there?

[Titus]

We need a VC.

A50 don't quote your role PM.

Amrun, there is a renegade.

There can be 2 variants. Check first post.