In post 5168, Adorable wrote:I've never seen a town rolestopper and I've only seen a scum rolestopper. chkflp claiming town rolestopper made me have to rethink about him but if he is scum why would he hard defend flippynips like that? His claim looked suspicious but his play looked towny for defending flippynips and normally scum don't defend players like that. I'm not a normal Rolecop and I've explained earlier about my role and ability how it works.
I might be biased since my first exposure to rolestopper was as a town role that died day 1 (Dva) in a game with FL(mod) and A50.
Actually. Scum Doctor is a much more common role than you think. Also, there is a TOWN VIG in play, so Scum
have to
have a protective of some sort (be that a Doctor, a Jailer, a Roleblocker, a BP vest/role.. etc)
This makes sense. I was wary that a jailkeeper would have been the reason for the failed results on A50 which would have vindicated Joan. But the fact it was a rolestopper that I feel is town points to 1 scum between chk/Joan.
I've read the Karnage/Clem/Ado slot BTW. Still want an answer on this.
Will you share the results of this now?
Yeah, they still just read a bit meh. I don't like the "Multiple replacements equals scum" take. In a game this size it's pretty hard to actually read, relatively easy to get them from scum PT.
In post 5170, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Oh, shit! So he did claim eventually! I was surprised (to the limit of being shocked, actually) the more comprehensive players didn't picj up on what he was hinting all along. I mean, he was confident enough you just had to think about it before you asked him WHY he was so confident.
TBH I still don't fully believe it. It's out of character for Boon to use a base role instead of one of his special ones. And I don't really buy going to bat for FlippyNips of all people.
In post 5197, Adorable wrote:Clemency confirmed he also got a result on N1 and that was supposed to help clear out the confusion on davesaz result since Titus was saying he shouldn't have gotten a result on N1. Normally in a scum players point of view they would just keep quiet about their result and not help confirm to clear up the confusion.
for the record... while i TR you, towncasing yourself is always going to look scummy. even worse when you towncase your predecessor, whose actual thought process you have no way of knowing.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 5170, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Oh, shit! So he did claim eventually! I was surprised (to the limit of being shocked, actually) the more comprehensive players didn't picj up on what he was hinting all along. I mean, he was confident enough you just had to think about it before you asked him WHY he was so confident.
TBH I still don't fully believe it. It's out of character for Boon to use a base role instead of one of his special ones. And I don't really buy going to bat for FlippyNips of all people.
Well what's your read on chk/A50 independently?
Weak / strong town respectively.
In post 5205, RCEnigma wrote:Also how do you reconcile chk being a scum!rolestopper targeting A50 to pseudo clear him knowing he himself wasn't a miller.
Targeting 50JP would not clear him in any case.
The hypothetical reason for a scum rolestopper to target 50JP would be causing chaos and keeping 50JP from being cleared by other people, which would be expected as IIRC 50JP was the only hard claimed role that could be targeted.
This is identical to the "unknown enhantress" theory except that enchantress would also soft clear 50JP's presumed target (Nips).
It's likely to be wrong in either case, but I'd like it to be resolved at some point.
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In post 5170, 50 Judge Powers wrote:Oh, shit! So he did claim eventually! I was surprised (to the limit of being shocked, actually) the more comprehensive players didn't picj up on what he was hinting all along. I mean, he was confident enough you just had to think about it before you asked him WHY he was so confident.
TBH I still don't fully believe it. It's out of character for Boon to use a base role instead of one of his special ones. And I don't really buy going to bat for FlippyNips of all people.
Well what's your read on chk/A50 independently?
Weak / strong town respectively.
In post 5205, RCEnigma wrote:Also how do you reconcile chk being a scum!rolestopper targeting A50 to pseudo clear him knowing he himself wasn't a miller.
Targeting 50JP would not clear him in any case.
The hypothetical reason for a scum rolestopper to target 50JP would be causing chaos and keeping 50JP from being cleared by other people, which would be expected as IIRC 50JP was the only hard claimed role that could be targeted.
This is identical to the "unknown enhantress" theory except that enchantress would also soft clear 50JP's presumed target (Nips).
It's likely to be wrong in either case, but I'd like it to be resolved at some point.
LandL claimed the same role as A50 minus the desperate modifier.
So for one why A50 and not LandL if chk wasn't intending to push there?
Also psuedo clear may have been wrong phrasing. I didn't mean using the role to clear him. More like hard townreading him for the info he outed about miller in response to chks initial claim. Because as it stands there isn't any reason for chk to continue reading A50 as town even as scum. I get as scum holding a fake miller claim he's forced to have that stance.
In post 5211, RCEnigma wrote:LandL claimed the same role as A50 minus the desperate modifier.
So for one why A50 and not LandL if chk wasn't intending to push there?
I don't recall L&L having left anything behind on a target, where it was pretty easy to find a clue on 50's target. Got nothing beyond that. It's an interpretation of what people said happened and speculation on why.
As for why chk chose 50 and not L&L that's more a question for chk.
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you really know how to hit me where it hurts, Almost.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
In post 5206, Amrun wrote:Chkflp, would you be disabled if a theoretical doc enabler were killed?
I'm not giving scum an ounce more information.
dave saying it's weird I went to bat for Nips is fucking hilarious to me. Not like I had a choice of who my target cleared OR if I know 50 would survive into the next day to clear another person. You're right. Cops let their innocent clears get lynched ALL the time. Best in show.
Almost as laughable as him mentioning policy lynch in a game where a lolhammer, fake posting, and openly not playing the game have all happened. Those are fine... BUT FAKE CLAIMING MILLER WHAT!? Get out. You should stop trying to spend so many posts setting up for a later lynch and give your balls a tug, guy. Come at me bro. That slow roast has GOT to be tiring you.
"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.
I think any slot that is on its third replacement for lurking offenses is higher than rand scum.
Rolecop very obviously has more scum utility. The manner in which Clemency claimed isn’t scummy, though, for the record.
Normally scum would ask for a replacement which I have seen often so that scum can discuss with each other through chat. Karnage and Clemency not asking for a replacement often tends to be a town player who lost interest in the game.
I'm not comfortable trying to swing an entire wagon this late into the day anymore tbh. I shouldn't have voted Adorable or Nips last night.
In post 5211, RCEnigma wrote:
So for one why A50 and not LandL if chk wasn't intending to push there?
Because he's targetable by scum if he hits town, whereas LnL shouldn't be targetable at all. I thought that much was obvious by their claim? Also, 50 went to bat for me right out of the gate and full claimed because of my gambit claim so I kinda felt a little bad about it.
"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.
watch in amazement as the entire game but Chara claims by day 2.
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
that's not a "you shouldn't have claimed, chk," that's a "we're going to run up someone else only to have them claim before we unvote, aren't we."
"Sibling," Farkran asked, starting slowly.
"The CORE is full of lasers, and Chemist1422's entire existence depends on her eye. If she looks into a laser, she will almost certainly die. Did you think about that?"
"Oh yes, my brother. I love thinking about that."
