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Post Post #5225 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:58 pm

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Okay page 207 Math I like and I have to reconsider things again
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Post Post #5226 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:59 pm

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In post 5223, Iconeum wrote:
In post 5221, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5219, Iconeum wrote:I don't feel really bad for being outed D2, already managed a save and having 2 conftown might actually work. Especially on math slot.

In case scum NK'd me I could see scum!RC claiming this thread and spewing math was impossible to be my target lol
Why do you think scum would kill me?
I mean that if I didn't hardclaim you as my N1 target, RC would be able to turn this thread upside down to disprove any loafs of bread I left on you being my N1
I mean like thread consequences

Does that confirm Ari scum?

They were my top scumread and I was pissed RC destroyed the wagon. RC+Ari?

That’s running back in my brain

Sanity check?
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Post Post #5227 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:00 pm

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The main issue I have is if RC is a town jackass or scum jackass

Titus thinks scum BBMolla thinks town

I think I would rather him not be here

But I wonder if the smart play is Ari since RC didn’t want him lynched.
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Post Post #5228 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:02 pm

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Ico do you see what I am thinking and thoughts?
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Post Post #5229 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:06 pm

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That’s possible, but still f elsnless likely than it was an intentional attempt to create associations. I also am inclined to note that it was a relatively easy wagon to grow yesterday, and that RC blew it up, so RC would come first , not the other way round.

In other words, scum!rc can be with scum or town ari, but scum ari must be with scum rc.
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Post Post #5230 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:10 pm

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Oh, I've read pg 208 now.

Sorry.

I should finish catching up before I say shit I guess.
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Post Post #5231 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:14 pm

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In post 5211, MathBlade wrote:and I am inno
I thought this wasnMath being Math.

I was wrong. Sorry
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Post Post #5232 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:16 pm

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Anyway bedtome was 2 hours ago.

Goodnight
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Post Post #5233 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:17 pm

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In post 5115, skitter30 wrote:@rce why are you voting rc rn ?
For my sanity.
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Post Post #5234 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:18 pm

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In post 5229, teacher wrote:That’s possible, but still f elsnless likely than it was an intentional attempt to create associations. I also am inclined to note that it was a relatively easy wagon to grow yesterday, and that RC blew it up, so RC would come first , not the other way round.

In other words, scum!rc can be with scum or town ari, but scum ari must be with scum rc.
Why do you say scum Ari requires scum RC

I could see it either way?
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Post Post #5235 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm

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In post 5233, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5115, skitter30 wrote:@rce why are you voting rc rn ?
For my sanity.
I like and hate this answer

I have been trying to convince Molla RC is scum
But Molla’s all no RC’s town.
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Post Post #5236 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 pm

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Like I literally cannot follow a coherent train of thought with him here regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #5237 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:22 pm

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In post 5236, RCEnigma wrote:Like I literally cannot follow a coherent train of thought with him here regardless of alignment.
Okay do you think he’s scum though?

Or just got a role PM that said “I am RC I shall be worshipped”
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Post Post #5238 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:25 pm

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And when we're so close to any semblance of cohesion on a likely scum slot he comes in with this need to dissociate from the wagon and remind everyone the flip is on Skitter not him.

Reads like TMI and RC backing off both Ari's wagon and Shos' wagon could easily be false associatives. So thats like not relevant to Shos' alignment either way.

At this point I feel this game gets infinitely easier with RC not in it.
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Post Post #5239 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:27 pm

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In post 5238, RCEnigma wrote:And when we're so close to any semblance of cohesion on a likely scum slot he comes in with this need to dissociate from the wagon and remind everyone the flip is on Skitter not him.

Reads like TMI and RC backing off both Ari's wagon and Shos' wagon could easily be false associatives. So thats like not relevant to Shos' alignment either way.

At this point I feel this game gets infinitely easier with RC not in it.
I am almost thinking RC’s flip is what is most valuable for the gamestate

If RC is town then Shos becomes an okay compromise

But if RC scum Ari scum and Skitter scum become much more viable
As RC flipped his lid when I pushed Skitter.

If RC town Skitter prob town RCE prob scum.
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Post Post #5240 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:31 pm

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RCE teacher Shos actually if RC is town could be a thing

But mainly RC town or scum I think returns the game to sanity and communication

That may be more important than a scum flip
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Post Post #5241 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:34 pm

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In post 5165, teacher wrote:Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?
I've abandoned the RC/Teacher pairing. Even initially it was only based on a cheeky one off phrase from RC so it was weak to begin with. I was advised not to look too deep into RC pairings if I truly feel RC is scum. I'll just run myself into dead ends.
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Post Post #5242 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:35 pm

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In post 5240, MathBlade wrote:RCE teacher Shos actually if RC is town could be a thing

But mainly RC town or scum I think returns the game to sanity and communication

That may be more important than a scum flip
Meh swap out teacher for Bella.

Anywho mainly I think Ico we should lynch RC
If RC is town I will push Shos tomorrow if you die

If I die and RC is scum please push Ari/Skitter/Bella
If I die and RC is town please push shos
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Post Post #5243 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:36 pm

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In post 5239, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5238, RCEnigma wrote:And when we're so close to any semblance of cohesion on a likely scum slot he comes in with this need to dissociate from the wagon and remind everyone the flip is on Skitter not him.

Reads like TMI and RC backing off both Ari's wagon and Shos' wagon could easily be false associatives. So thats like not relevant to Shos' alignment either way.

At this point I feel this game gets infinitely easier with RC not in it.
I am almost thinking RC’s flip is what is most valuable for the gamestate

If RC is town then Shos becomes an okay compromise

But if RC scum Ari scum and Skitter scum become much more viable
As RC flipped his lid when I pushed Skitter.

If RC town Skitter prob town RCE prob scum.
You aren't familiar with my playstyle but I never hard push town!RC as scum here. In fact there's meta to back this up though it's only one game.
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Post Post #5244 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:37 pm

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In post 5241, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5165, teacher wrote:Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?
I've abandoned the RC/Teacher pairing. Even initially it was only based on a cheeky one off phrase from RC so it was weak to begin with. I was advised not to look too deep into RC pairings if I truly feel RC is scum. I'll just run myself into dead ends.
I kinda disagree with that.

I just think you don’t look at pairings in the traditional sense. I’ve been scum with him before. He leaves tells it’s just weird and hard to process until after you know one way or the other.
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Post Post #5245 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:37 pm

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In post 5243, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5239, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5238, RCEnigma wrote:And when we're so close to any semblance of cohesion on a likely scum slot he comes in with this need to dissociate from the wagon and remind everyone the flip is on Skitter not him.

Reads like TMI and RC backing off both Ari's wagon and Shos' wagon could easily be false associatives. So thats like not relevant to Shos' alignment either way.

At this point I feel this game gets infinitely easier with RC not in it.
I am almost thinking RC’s flip is what is most valuable for the gamestate

If RC is town then Shos becomes an okay compromise

But if RC scum Ari scum and Skitter scum become much more viable
As RC flipped his lid when I pushed Skitter.

If RC town Skitter prob town RCE prob scum.
You aren't familiar with my playstyle but I never hard push town!RC as scum here. In fact there's meta to back this up though it's only one game.
Would love it tbh don’t know if I will get time to read it.
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Post Post #5246 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:38 pm

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What do your teammates think of the game RCE?
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Post Post #5247 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:41 pm

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In post 5222, teacher wrote:
In post 3902, Saudade wrote:I hardclaim mason
Possibly 3+ confirmable townies fwiw.
Don't take this serious.
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Post Post #5248 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:44 pm

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In post 5247, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5222, teacher wrote:
In post 3902, Saudade wrote:I hardclaim mason
Possibly 3+ confirmable townies fwiw.
Don't take this serious.
Seconded.

If another mason actually existed that would be four conf town.

Me Ico Saude and Mason 2.

That would make the game unwinnable for scum I think would have to do maths

Btw Saude I am extremely townreading atm. I especially liked when he voted me upon entry but I have a weakness for buddying. He’s not quite block level but pretty close
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Post Post #5249 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:46 pm

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In post 5244, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5241, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5165, teacher wrote:Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?
I've abandoned the RC/Teacher pairing. Even initially it was only based on a cheeky one off phrase from RC so it was weak to begin with. I was advised not to look too deep into RC pairings if I truly feel RC is scum. I'll just run myself into dead ends.
I kinda disagree with that.

I just think you don’t look at pairings in the traditional sense. I’ve been scum with him before. He leaves tells it’s just weird and hard to process until after you know one way or the other.
This is in part my experience with RC and my team's advice. Like Skitter for example. I'm hard townreading there and I'm pretty sure I'm accurate in my read there but RC has been setting up associatives there since day1 (my team picked up on this and their early solve was RC/Skitter +1) day 2 solve was RC/Ico/ +1 likely plum. That was mostly a jingle read but we agreed there day 1 and his read there persisted. They aren't completely caught up, FL has done the most reading up on this game. So Ico!town + math!town changes the dynamic and they'll likely point to 1 town/ 1 scum in RC/Ari. Both FL and Jingle townread Ari up to this point.

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