Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[implosion]

Spoiler: tellurium in the habitat

Vote Count 2.10

shos

(3): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum

RadiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade, Saudade, RCEnigma

MathBlade

(1): RadiantCowbells

Aristophanes

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

[RCEnigma]

I hardclaim mason

Possibly 3+ confirmable townies fwiw.

Don't take this serious.

Seconded.

If another mason actually existed that would be four conf town.

Me Ico Saude and Mason 2.

That would make the game unwinnable for scum I think would have to do maths

Btw Saude I am extremely townreading atm. I especially liked when he voted me upon entry but I have a weakness for buddying. He’s not quite block level but pretty close

The mason thing is a callback to a normal I played with him where the majority of his posts were "I am a mason".

[MathBlade]

Twelve alive, 4 confirmed town, three scum, 5 possible mislynches
3 confirmed town, three scum, 4 possible mislynches
2 confirmed town, three scum, 3 possible mislynches
1 confirmed town, three scum, 2 possible mislynches << Town loss

Okay it’s possible but it’s reaaaaaaallly hard so if that’s legit don’t claim your buddy yet

Pedit oh lol.

Pedit I would love to hear more from Jingle regarding Ari. It’s odd for Molla and Jingle to be opposed and they are both good.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: tellurium in the habitat

Vote Count 2.10

shos

(3): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum

RadiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade, Saudade, RCEnigma

MathBlade

(1): RadiantCowbells

Aristophanes

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Implosion that is soooooo cute

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[MathBlade]

Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?

I've abandoned the RC/Teacher pairing. Even initially it was only based on a cheeky one off phrase from RC so it was weak to begin with. I was advised not to look too deep into RC pairings if I truly feel RC is scum. I'll just run myself into dead ends.

I kinda disagree with that.

I just think you don’t look at pairings in the traditional sense. I’ve been scum with him before. He leaves tells it’s just weird and hard to process until after you know one way or the other.

This is in part my experience with RC and my team's advice. Like Skitter for example. I'm hard townreading there and I'm pretty sure I'm accurate in my read there but RC has been setting up associatives there since day1 (my team picked up on this and their early solve was RC/Skitter +1) day 2 solve was RC/Ico/ +1 likely plum. That was mostly a jingle read but we agreed there day 1 and his read there persisted. They aren't completely caught up, FL has done the most reading up on this game. So Ico!town + math!town changes the dynamic and they'll likely point to 1 town/ 1 scum in RC/Ari. Both FL and Jingle townread Ari up to this point.

scum!RC pushes on his buddies but does it poorly. But he always wants the credit because he’s a good player.

Mainly whatever he does and doesn’t want credit for is a red flag to me

[RCEnigma]

Twelve alive, 4 confirmed town, three scum, 5 possible mislynches
3 confirmed town, three scum, 4 possible mislynches
2 confirmed town, three scum, 3 possible mislynches
1 confirmed town, three scum, 2 possible mislynches << Town loss

Okay it’s possible but it’s reaaaaaaallly hard so if that’s legit don’t claim your buddy yet

Pedit oh lol.

Pedit I would love to hear more from Jingle regarding Ari. It’s odd for Molla and Jingle to be opposed and they are both good.

Jingle hasn't really expanded on the Ari read but I'll ask about it.

[MathBlade]

Yeah because RC loves a bus that fucks with heads
There’s a cop game with Titus faking a guilty on RC
There’s lynch the wolves with me
He sets stuff up to go deep.

That’s the big concern hence the d1 with skitter rings bad to me
Especially with her not wanting to be on my wagon.

Ico claiming and making me inno makes Skitter look hella bad.

[MathBlade]

My final guess is RC/Skitter/Ari

It combines what all my teammates are saying and thread input here

My backup is Shos+Midlevel+Active/Deep if RC is town.

I gotta go to bed but

Spoiler: For Ico

Good night and thanks Ico.

[Flopz]

Sorry everyone, I very astutely expected to have free time while on holiday. So now I'm about 50 pages behind.
It's lazy to ask but who have each of the two new roles switched with? I'm assuming Sho has swapped with Tris due to the current votes.
Maths why the move away from Ari to RC?

[teacher]

Im doing my Ari read through, since Im hitting a wall in Math/RC right now and a bit braindead. I came across a kinda weird stance in RCE's posting.

Correct me if Im wrong, but hes dead set on RC's lynch today (3748, 5022)

He's dead set that if RC is scum, Im his partner. (1724, 1732, 3750, 3774)

And he reads me as town (910, 1732, 4603)

Because that adds up to terrible positioning and logic?

I've abandoned the RC/Teacher pairing. Even initially it was only based on a cheeky one off phrase from RC so it was weak to begin with. I was advised not to look too deep into RC pairings if I truly feel RC is scum. I'll just run myself into dead ends.

Then what was the meaning of “in a vacuum” in 4603?

[Flopz]

I saw talk of Ico claiming so I looked through the recent posting of their ISO to serve as a sort-of catch-up to the thread. I really liked a lot of the posts I saw there, especially 4891 (the claim was good too). So will put my vote on Shos. VOTE: Shos

(I haven't looked through the RC stuff yet in regards to whatever he's done this time)

[Saudade]

Wait so Math is clear right? And Rc knew it?

[Saudade]

And still wanted to lynch math?????????))))

[Aristophanes]

I saw talk of Ico claiming so I looked through the recent posting of their ISO to serve as a sort-of catch-up to the thread. I really liked a lot of the posts I saw there, especially 4891 (the claim was good too). So will put my vote on Shos. VOTE: Shos

(I haven't looked through the RC stuff yet in regards to whatever he's done this time)

Did you check who replaced who before voting? Just wondering

[Aristophanes]

RC we have anprotection claim on Math. Unless you yhink Math/Ico are both scum you should probably move that vote somewhere more useful.

[Aristophanes]

Wait so Math is clear right? And Rc knew it?

I mean, he stated why he doubted it and I can see hisnreasoning. With it fully claimed he is likely to back off a tad I'd assume and hope.

[Aristophanes]

My final guess is RC/Skitter/Ari

Your reads are still whack and even if you are cleared I'm never going to follow you into the fires of a scum victory here.

Honestly, I do not understand how you still think this stuff man!

And your assumption that RC and I are on a scumteam together is probably what's leading to these weird leaps. Literally you have put so many people as the third and none of them have made sense! Perhaps there is an issue with your Ari/RC pairing that is causing this.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, here's a fun thought exercise, Math.

Would you be able to give me a scumteam of RC/Ari/_____ and fill in the last slot with each player here, skipping yourself and Ico if you want, and tell us why it does or does not make sense. Just off the top of your head reasons is fine. I just feel like you need to get through this to get out of whatever it is that is causing this team-scumread.

As a counter offer, I will accept your team talking it over and presenting just those you landed on as a possible scum-Trio with reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

[MathBlade]

Wait so Math is clear right? And Rc knew it?

I mean, he stated why he doubted it and I can see hisnreasoning. With it fully claimed he is likely to back off a tad I'd assume and hope.

Shit like this for starters.

Come vote RC.

[MathBlade]

If he thought I was inno townblocks should include me but still call me an idiot.

Yet when I ask a question of shos he flips out and votes me. That’s not town motivated I don’t see how.

[MathBlade]

Sorry everyone, I very astutely expected to have free time while on holiday. So now I'm about 50 pages behind.
It's lazy to ask but who have each of the two new roles switched with? I'm assuming Sho has swapped with Tris due to the current votes.
Maths why the move away from Ari to RC?

Long story short
>> He impedes and spams any forward progress
>> Denied lots of hunting

It’s to the point where he’s probably scum but even if he’s not it’s better to get rid of him as he’s pretty much said never to work with me.

He has no scumreads which is practically unheard of and is a scumtell that usually means 1+ in townblock are scum with him. This is also RC. RC brags about his solves.

He’s also now quiet as fuck too. I wonder why? Prevent spew maybe?

Maybe it’s RC+Shos actually? Meh still like RC+Skitter.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, I have to look back at that again because some details get fuzzy in a game of this size and pace. He has uber-denied saying aome things he definitely said, like that we have his permission to BoP Lynch him if we get 2 mislynches led by himself with no scum flips. But none of it was malicious.

Him flipping out is hard to head because you never know what will set him off.

And he didn't believe the clear so I don't think voting him for that is reasonable at this time. If he continues to vote you, that is a different story. He would have to abandon his Ico Townread and volley for the lynching of either Doc or their Clear which, well I could still see so we'll find out what happens there I guess.

[MathBlade]

Actually, here's a fun thought exercise, Math.

Would you be able to give me a scumteam of RC/Ari/_____ and fill in the last slot with each player here, skipping yourself and Ico if you want, and tell us why it does or does not make sense. Just off the top of your head reasons is fine. I just feel like you need to get through this to get out of whatever it is that is causing this team-scumread.

As a counter offer, I will accept your team talking it over and presenting just those you landed on as a possible scum-Trio with reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

My team already has been. I am still waiting to hear back regarding you. (I’ve been spamming the discord for my sanity so I could have missed it.)

Titus is reasonably confident RC is scum not 100% but pretty close.

The team thing is more how RC interacted with your slot. Thus if I am right a lot of people could be partners with you and RC. But RC+Skitter I am more confident in so if RC flips scum I would like to do Skitter next or Ari depending upon how the group splits. Then if that flips scum lynch the other.

[Aristophanes]

Also I'm still pretty unlikely to vote RC here so I'd suggest putting your efforts into convincing the other half of the playerlist.

If they're going to be here.

[Aristophanes]

Actually, here's a fun thought exercise, Math.

Would you be able to give me a scumteam of RC/Ari/_____ and fill in the last slot with each player here, skipping yourself and Ico if you want, and tell us why it does or does not make sense. Just off the top of your head reasons is fine. I just feel like you need to get through this to get out of whatever it is that is causing this team-scumread.

As a counter offer, I will accept your team talking it over and presenting just those you landed on as a possible scum-Trio with reasoning.

Thanks in advance.

My team already has been. I am still waiting to hear back regarding you. (I’ve been spamming the discord for my sanity so I could have missed it.)

Titus is reasonably confident RC is scum not 100% but pretty close.

The team thing is more how RC interacted with your slot. Thus if I am right a lot of people could be partners with you and RC. But RC+Skitter I am more confident in so if RC flips scum I would like to do Skitter next or Ari depending upon how the group splits. Then if that flips scum lynch the other.

Cool Cool Cool!

Much obliged!

And if RC does flip scum I'll have a lot to rethink...