Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[xofelf]

Uh no, let's not do that turkey. Why would you want to do that? If I'm alive at least til day, I can confirm cult is gone. Why do you want to take that away?

Also ML, simmer down, would you? You're sure making things a looot more personal and grumpily than you need to. Like.. it's just a game dearie, it'll be okay. Sucks you're taking so much of everything in the way that you are, and that you feel how you do, but you don't need to put that all over everybody else. There's no stakes here, no need to put that much emotion into it all.

[gobbledygook]

Uh no, let's not do that turkey. Why would you want to do that? If I'm alive at least til day, I can confirm cult is gone. Why do you want to take that away?

Once I die and you flip town, it will be confirmed you were telling the truth about 1 cult being alive. Plus you don’t seem like you will rage if you get nightkilled like some other people.

[xofelf]

You know what, that's actually fair. I'll be grumpy, sure, cuz damn it I wanted to live until my ability was absolutely no longer working, but what can you do? Sometimes that's how the game be.

[Untrod Tripod]

there's a non-zero chance that the game ends and they win if we get to 10p. winning a 40p game as an SK would be fucking hard. I can see that being a way of balancing it.

regardless the cult is of absolutely zero threat to us at this point whereas the SK(s) with an unknown wincon are

we should kill the third party that can actually, you know, kill us. I'd rather only deal with one faction with a killing ability.

[Pine]

ML, is your wincon exclusive to town? Can you still win if you are lynched and Elements wins?

Yeah, what exactly are you looking for here? "Yeah, you got me, it's mutually exclusive with Town"?

This is the problem, ML. We just can't afford to trust you. It isn't that we've been keeping you around to screw with you, it's that you haven't been a priority yet. Honestly sorry if you're telling the truth, it's a shitty thing to go this deep and lose to "Let's just be safe."

With 11 alive, it looks like the only way we definitely don't hit the <10 person threshold with either SK alive is to lynch one today and one tomorrow. A Serial Killer (and his backup) who win if there are fewer than 10 people remaining in a 40-player is plausible and alarmingly close to winning. Turkey isn't a threat, that possible wincon is.

[Pine]

Get out of my head, UT. I took a while to post that (looking up some supporting facts) but that was eerie.

[Pink Ball]

Oh wait, cult won't win if lynch both 3Ps, they wouldve won already.

VOTE: Miss Lynch

[Pink Ball]

I'm happy with this 'cause Elements won't win

[Pine]

i know that the threshold is 3/4 of player base
i know that if my partner (elements) dies i have to take his role
i know that i can leave this realm with him once our purpose is accomplished, regardless of his fulfillment of wincon

role and alignment, meaning i lose prior wincon

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

Interesting. These versions of how ML's ability work are in contradiction to one another, and also in contradiction to the supposed "I haven't looked at my role PM lately."

[Miss Lane]

i know that the threshold is 3/4 of player base
i know that if my partner (elements) dies i have to take his role
i know that i can leave this realm with him once our purpose is accomplished, regardless of his fulfillment of wincon

role and alignment, meaning i lose prior wincon

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

Interesting. These versions of how ML's ability work are in contradiction to one another, and also in contradiction to the supposed "I haven't looked at my role PM lately."

no. they aren't.

like i said, i never fully read my flavor text, nor did i particularly care to. that said, i have a very good head for mechanicals, and none of what i said in these posts contradicts each other

[Miss Lane]

in post one, i said that we both leave when my wincon is accomplished
in post two, i said that i lose my wincon and gain his if i die (he is unaware of my wincon given i am a traitor, this is why he responded the way he did to me, and also why i went on the tirade about mods who include traitors in their game)
in post three, i said taht we both leave when my wincon is accomplished

[Miss Lane]

Funnily enough, context matters.

[Miss Lane]

i read my role pm, memorized what i thought was important and ignored everything else.
i've never played in a game where flavor was of any importance because in my opinion that kind of game really sucks to play.

[EspressoPatronum]

Ok I'm just messing around ML. Just don't be so hard on EP. Maybe he's wrong but he has put so much effort into this that I'd really appreciate if you relaxed a bit towards him, I guess thats why I started fucking with you sorry. I don't even care what your alignment is at this point

Thanks PB, I appreciate it

[RCEnigma]

there's a non-zero chance that the game ends and they win if we get to 10p. winning a 40p game as an SK would be fucking hard. I can see that being a way of balancing it.

regardless the cult is of absolutely zero threat to us at this point whereas the SK(s) with an unknown wincon are

we should kill the third party that can actually, you know, kill us. I'd rather only deal with one faction with a killing ability.

Unpopular opinion, I wouldn't be super mad if that was the case.

[chkflip]

Day 11 vote count 11.01

Miss Lynch -

Pine, EspressoPatronum, Untrod Tripod, Pink Ball

gobbledygook -

Miss Lynch, RCEnigma, KidAmn

[gobbledygook]

I’m just gonna check out of this game because I can see some intense salt coming from ML now

[EspressoPatronum]

So I'm guessing Rauth neighbourized Bingle? I assume anyone else would have chimed in about ML's role at this point.

[EspressoPatronum]

there's a non-zero chance that the game ends and they win if we get to 10p. winning a 40p game as an SK would be fucking hard. I can see that being a way of balancing it.

regardless the cult is of absolutely zero threat to us at this point whereas the SK(s) with an unknown wincon are

we should kill the third party that can actually, you know, kill us. I'd rather only deal with one faction with a killing ability.

Unpopular opinion, I wouldn't be super mad if that was the case.

It'd be pretty unfortunate considering we can avoid it.

[Miss Lane]

there's a non-zero chance that the game ends and they win if we get to 10p. winning a 40p game as an SK would be fucking hard. I can see that being a way of balancing it.

regardless the cult is of absolutely zero threat to us at this point whereas the SK(s) with an unknown wincon are

we should kill the third party that can actually, you know, kill us. I'd rather only deal with one faction with a killing ability.

Unpopular opinion, I wouldn't be super mad if that was the case.

It'd be pretty unfortunate considering we can avoid it.

This isn't an argument.
TBH I don't know if you guys also win when I leave or not, but I'm pretty sure you do, and I'm 100% willing to say you did if for some reason you don't. I think that would pretty disgusting modding practice to not let you also win if you let me leave, TBH.

[Pine]

I straight up do not believe that you’ve never clarified your wincon, which tells me that it IS exclusive. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be vague.

[Miss Lane]

I straight up do not believe that you’ve never clarified your wincon, which tells me that it IS exclusive. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be vague.

The first part of the first sentence says you believe I've clarified my WINCON. I don't understand how that leads to the second part of that sentence at all.. It also doesn't follow into the second sentence.
What do you mean by "exclusive?" You accused me of contradicting myself, which I have not done, and you fail to point out where exactly I did contradict myself when I called you out on your bullshit earlier.
Where am I being vague?
Elements and I leave the game when fewer than a quarter of the original player base is left.

[RCEnigma]

Like. I don't think you guys believe the game will end with 10 players still alive. If so ML and Elements can have a 'ha got ya' moment.

But if you've played a game of mafia before, I assume you all have, then a quarter of the playerlist being endgamed doesn't sound like a reasonable take.

[RCEnigma]

That's not how you balance an sk. But adding an additional faction does, giving SK a backup does. Sure. Yes. Agreed.

[chkflip]

Day 11 Final Vote count

gobbledygook [LYNCH] -

Miss Lynch, RCEnigma, KidAmn, Pink Ball, Pine, xofelf

Miss Lynch -

EspressoPatronum, Untrod Tripod

gobbledygook was lynched!

They were

Homeless Jimmy:

Ascencion-Aligned Fisherman turned Cultist