BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[BrightEyedFish]

so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.

[Haggle]

there once was a Bambi

Bambi lived in a house
the house blew up

the house was scum
Bambi was scum

Bambi was the house
there was no house

there was no Bambi
there was only scum

-Hectic

[Bambi Jay]

That would make more sense if my ability canonically wasn't "The Explode". Pretty sure I'd survive blowing up my own house.

[Haggle]

You have a explosive-proof vest? Those are usually scum-indicative in this decade's meta, y'know. We could probably get a mod confirmation on that actually.

Hey, Amrun, you sometimes mod games, right? Confirm this, if you could for us please.

-Hectic

[chkflip]

BPV are not alignment indicative and holy fuck this is aligning with Frost/Adorable so hard right now.

[Bambi Jay]

I summon my lawyer Chk to fight my legal battle for me.

I don't have much more to take about anyway. Just know I'm gonna do my best to find the killer tonight while Creature can do the same or he can confirm Enigma is ascetic.

[Amrun]

You have a explosive-proof vest? Those are usually scum-indicative in this decade's meta, y'know. We could probably get a mod confirmation on that actually.

Hey, Amrun, you sometimes mod games, right? Confirm this, if you could for us please.

-Hectic

I do sometimes mod games but I haven’t designed a game since like 2012. Not sure I’m reliable on relevant meta.

But I would say it’s kinda scum indicative.

Idc though, Bambi is town.

[Amrun]

I read that as explosion specific.

If it’s just plain old BPV, then no, it’s NIA.

Last game I designed had one that could be invented and given out by a town inventor, as a matter of fact.

[The Fonz]

I'm not scum reading Bambi particularly but I'm having trouble trying to get to four scum without her.

[Bambi Jay]

Harsh, but I feel the same that one of my townreads has to be scum as well.

[50 Judge Powers]

VOTE: Adorable

I'd rather lynch in the old fashioned way. If it's Scum we lynch scum and save Town. If it's Town we lose one townie and not two. If it's 3P we still keep the townie alive for another day (or to eat a bullet at night, saving another town slot in the process). Why give scum a free town life??

[The Fonz]

VOTE: Adorable

I'd rather lynch in the old fashioned way. If it's Scum we lynch scum and save Town. If it's Town we lose one townie and not two. If it's 3P we still keep the townie alive for another day (or to eat a bullet at night, saving another town slot in the process). Why give scum a free town life??

It's probably better you don't comment on what Nancy should do at all.

If we can come up with a scum player to bomb, we don't lose VAM.

[50 Judge Powers]

The consensus seems to be to lynch/bomb Adorable. The Bomb is best used on someone who is NOT likely to be lynched (i.e. the Bomb thinks they're Scum but the majority are either TRing them or undecided at worst).

And I am not telling anyone what to do with their own role. That's not my place. I am merely stating the best strategic use of a role. Why lose an ability (and a town vote along with it) if the target can be lynched normally? Unless you somehow know Adorable is "unlynchable". Do you??

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Adorable

I'd rather lynch in the old fashioned way. If it's Scum we lynch scum and save Town. If it's Town we lose one townie and not two. If it's 3P we still keep the townie alive for another day (or to eat a bullet at night, saving another town slot in the process). Why give scum a free town life??

It's probably better you don't comment on what Nancy should do at all.

If we can come up with a scum player to bomb, we don't lose VAM.

A50 is trying to rush this lynch because he want me dead.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Adorable

I'd rather lynch in the old fashioned way. If it's Scum we lynch scum and save Town. If it's Town we lose one townie and not two. If it's 3P we still keep the townie alive for another day (or to eat a bullet at night, saving another town slot in the process). Why give scum a free town life??

It's probably better you don't comment on what Nancy should do at all.

If we can come up with a scum player to bomb, we don't lose VAM.

A50 is trying to rush this lynch because he want me dead.

Specifically, he wants to make sure I die in vain. That’s why he want “to force scum to kill me”. :/

[Venus and Mars]

BPV are not alignment indicative and holy fuck this is aligning with Frost/Adorable so hard right now.

I don’t like Haggle pushing Bambi but how do you account for the knife clear? If you can satisfactorily explain this, I could bomb Haggle but I need this explained, because I obviously don’t want to bomb mech cleared town.

Don’t sheep A50 please. Use the HURT: Hurt tags instead and if you change your mine, use HEAL: Heal. Thanks.

[Venus and Mars]

I’m asking Boon some important questions, that directly affect my role, so

if you’re town and don’t want to gamethrow, please stick to the tags.

[ HURT ] Player X [/ HURT ] and to change your vote, [ HEAL ] minus the spaces.

[davesaz]

I have to admit, when it's me doing the dying I think that way too.
From the outside it looks a lot different.
All of the below assume V&M town, since the scum case doesn't matter.

no bomb, lynch, scum NK V&M. 1 death day, 1 night, worst case 2t down, best 1tx1s
bomb replace lynch, scum NK. 2 deaths day, 1 night, worst case 3t down, best 2tx1s
no bomb, lynch, scum NK some other town. 1 day, 1 night, worst 2t, best 1t1s, get another chance tomorrow

The worst case mathematically is if you bomb town. Both lynching and getting NK, and lynching and not getting NK work out better for town, strictly by the math.
Yeah, it might mean you don't use the shiny ability. But technically it's correct, going strictly by game theory, to only bomb if you think you have scum who can't be lynched.

[Venus and Mars]

I’m asking Boon some important questions, that directly affect my role, so

if you’re town and don’t want to gamethrow, please stick to the tags.

[ HURT ] Player X [/ HURT ] and to change your vote, [ HEAL ] Player X [/ HEAL ] minus the spaces.

[davesaz]

Gamethrow is a bit dramatic, but you do you.
I'm in no hurry to vote.

I don't get the bulletproof talk. I saw a couple things that I interpreted to be tongue in cheek if not explicitly joking.

[Venus and Mars]

I have to admit, when it's me doing the dying I think that way too.
From the outside it looks a lot different.
All of the below assume V&M town, since the scum case doesn't matter.

no bomb, lynch, scum NK V&M. 1 death day, 1 night, worst case 2t down, best 1tx1s
bomb replace lynch, scum NK. 2 deaths day, 1 night, worst case 3t down, best 2tx1s
no bomb, lynch, scum NK some other town. 1 day, 1 night, worst 2t, best 1t1s, get another chance tomorrow

The worst case mathematically is if you bomb town. Both lynching and getting NK, and lynching and not getting NK work out better for town, strictly by the math.
Yeah, it might mean you don't use the shiny ability. But technically it's correct, going strictly by game theory, to only bomb if you think you have scum who can't be lynched.

Is there a world where chk’s theory could possibly make sense? because AF claimed immediately after Haggle stopped his wagon?

[davesaz]

I'd have to be able to find a theory to be able to answer that.

[davesaz]

Whatever this theory is, it is not obvious at all, at least not in the last 20-30 posts in chk's iso.

[Venus and Mars]

I have to say Bambi, it’s extremely interesting that I’m sui bomb and you are BPV. I need to find out if there’s a world where someone can be knife cleared and still be scum, because I think one of Haggle/Bambi, chk could possibly be lying about this.

There is very possibly scum in one of those two groups. This is highly suspicious imo.

Less so with chk, since he could still be town and possibly be wrong but I don’t think Haggle and Bambi are the same alignment, not so sure on chk anymore if Haggle is really mech cleared.

@Bambi, if you’re really BPV, then I can use my ability on you and we both still live, right?

[Venus and Mars]

@Adorable, what exactly is Bambi’s role again?