Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

insomnia · Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:29 am

No, I'm saying that he's saying I am surface level but he makes points like "he doesn't analyse in depth so he's scum"

insomnia · Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:32 am

Iconeum, have you even read my posts? The slot literally has no reason to town read you right now other than the fact they thought my push on you was scummy.

How do you feel about Datisi giving you a town read so early and defending you so hard despite mentioning you guys often fight each other / suspect each other? Does that seem like uninformed Datisi to you? Describe that aspect for me, please.

Iconeum · Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:34 am

In post 1025, insomnia wrote:No, I'm saying that he's saying I am surface level but he makes points like "he doesn't analyse in depth so he's scum"

I disagree with them that you are scum for pushing surface level, but that might actually apply to the hustler slot

because I think that from your POV this:

In post 993, insomnia wrote:He's like "Yeah, I wanted to lynch someone that I have no read on, town do this shit all the time, right?"

can make sense to push

it's still wrong, but at least I can understand you pushing that

Korina · Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:35 am

I will resolve stuff in like thirty minutes. Please hold.

Iconeum · Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:35 am

In post 1026, insomnia wrote:Iconeum, have you even read my posts? The slot literally has no reason to town read you right now other than the fact they thought my push on you was scummy.

How do you feel about Datisi giving you a town read so early and defending you so hard despite mentioning you guys often fight each other / suspect each other? Does that seem like uninformed Datisi to you? Describe that aspect for me, please.

And with the history G&R and myself have, I completely understand they scumread anyone that tries to push, what they see as mislynchbait, for 'bad reasons'.

They townread me by proxy for starters, and Datisi (or was it Menal?) already pointed out that the way I was freely writing and typing out my thoughts were strong indicators of town!ico

that's plenty to have an early townread on imo

insomnia · Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:40 am

They literally never said that.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:44 am

In post 1015, a Gun and a Rose wrote:Chem, I’m concerned because normally I think I’d have warm feelings towards you by now and I don’t

-rose

tbh

Iconeum · Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:44 am

In post 1030, insomnia wrote:They literally never said that.

In post 780, a Gun and a Rose wrote:@Hectic Yeah, he can get defensive. He feels Town to me based on the fact that he freely displayed his thought process (which is surface-level scummy) while scum!him could simply *not* make those posts

-gun

They did tho.

Iconeum · Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 am

In post 1026, insomnia wrote:How do you feel about Datisi giving you a town read so early and defending you so hard despite mentioning you guys often fight each other / suspect each other? Does that seem like uninformed Datisi to you? Describe that aspect for me, please.

I'm not gonna say that Datisi is incapable of recreating what i'm about to say as scum, but:

Most of our TvT games start out by townreading, and they gradually decent into chaos where scum actively try to get us into lylo for shits and giggles (and a free win)

Well, at least the townread tends to desintigrate as the game progresses

There's several examples of this if you really want them.

Iconeum · Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 am

the 'scum actively try to get us into lylo' might be a stretch on my part but i Always imagine them trying ^^

Minstrel · Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:06 am

In post 940, Iconeum wrote:since you are into meta, would it help if I proved to you via past games that my super defensive reaction comes from town!Ico? Would you reconsider?

Yeah, some links pls.

-Hectic

Minstrel · Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:09 am

In post 954, Iconeum wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80583

A mini normal, the fun/relevant stuff starts at around post 1.000

Alisae repped into a slot, and I get into a similar situation here where i feel i'm being pushed unfairly/by scum.

Spicey note tho: it was T/T

So if your meta example was TvT, why are you so confident on insomnia flipping scum?

-Hectic

Iconeum · Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:12 am

In post 1031, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1015, a Gun and a Rose wrote:Chem, I’m concerned because normally I think I’d have warm feelings towards you by now and I don’t

-rose
tbh

did you draw the short straw, tbh?

a Gun and a Rose · Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 am

In post 1034, Iconeum wrote:the 'scum actively try to get us into lylo' might be a stretch on my part but i Always imagine them trying ^^

I think if we're T/T in a game and scum knows us, it would be straight up gamethrowing

not

trying to get us into LyLo together

-gun

Minstrel · Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:16 am

In post 942, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
In post 861, insomnia wrote:What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.
My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.

And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.

-gun

By "look bad", you means things that could be scum-indicative but are actually NAI for Ico, right? Have you seen insomnia play with Ico before to scumread insomnia for that?

-Hectic

Korina · Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:16 am

In post 950, polypies73 wrote:
/dayvig obvious scum

Haha, nice try.

In post 966, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 810, Korina wrote:What are you gonna do? Dayvig me?

/shoot Korina

It says you're lynchproof, so die.
And you know my role, so die.
And you're gonna die, so die.

Haha, you can't kill what's already dead. Nice try though.

Iconeum · Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:17 am

In post 1040, Korina wrote:
In post 950, polypies73 wrote:
/dayvig obvious scum

Haha, nice try.

In post 966, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 810, Korina wrote:What are you gonna do? Dayvig me?

/shoot Korina

It says you're lynchproof, so die.
And you know my role, so die.
And you're gonna die, so die.

Haha, you can't kill what's already dead. Nice try though.

Can we revive you in order to 'kill' you?

a Gun and a Rose · Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:18 am

Yeah, my Ico Town read was based on him freeflowing his thoughts like that.

Pedit: yes, things that are either specifically NAI to Ico or NAI in general but can be pushed as anti-town. And not sure what you mean by that? I haven't played in a game with Ico and Insomnia. (haven't played with insomnia at all)

-gun

insomnia · Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:19 am

"Icon played the game. Town"

insomnia · Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:19 am

Do you guys have meta on Iconeum scum where he doesn't say anything?

Iconeum · Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:21 am

In post 1044, insomnia wrote:Do you guys have meta on Iconeum scum where he doesn't say anything?

sure

well, 'not saying *anything*' is a stretch, but i can get lurky as scum for sure

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80863

Iconeum · Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:22 am

In post 1043, insomnia wrote:"Icon played the game. Town"

a lot of players who know me better and regularly play with me will tell you that they can get the best read on my through tone and intent.

Rarely from being an actually pro-town player

I have my good games sometimes tho

a Gun and a Rose · Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:23 am

I have one game with scum!Icon. He wasn't what I would've described as lurky, but I his activity was lower than for town!him. Plus I don't remember him openly making statements like that that could've gotten him more easily pushed.

-gun

Minstrel · Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:24 am

In post 1003, Minstrel wrote:Liking Insomnia less and less.
I don't remember who Hectic is voting, but i think we should be voting here. A gun and a rose has been playing towny. His reason for scumreading them is off.
VOTE: Insomnia

- Norwee

Lul, we have some discussing to do in the PT, Norwee.

-Hectic

Iconeum · Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:28 am

In post 1044, insomnia wrote:Do you guys have meta on Iconeum scum where he doesn't say anything?

i get a LOT less confrontational as scum then I am here, for example

there's also examples of this if you want to

even a recent one with Datisi in it, and the pine game