White Flag - TM2020

[Hopkirk]

So you think that town have grabage reads but you're also in favour of two pretty consensus lynches? Are you sure you're feeling ok here.

I'm open to forming a more positive and cooperative relationship between us here, but I'm going to need you enabling the scum. I hope we can get over your problem together, but I'm going to need you to work with me and you need to want to change.

Hop 'Hopo' Hops

[BBmolla]

Are you a consensus lynch

I see three votes and I don’t see a whole lot of others leaping to get on

[Hopkirk]

I see two peoppe not on me who are happy to vote me + ² people who haven't given an opinion there I believe?

[Cephrir]

Dong prob town

This has been your daily warthog

[BBmolla]

Dong prob town

This has been your daily warthog

Who is Hops partner

[Dannflor]

Hop if BB is town then either I have to be scum or all town are voting you right now :V

[Dannflor]

unless you think Ceph is scum??

[BBmolla]

If Hop is town it actually makes this game so whack

[Hopkirk]

Dong hop is a strong pairing. Scum are probably shaking now that Ceph has a strong townread on both of us and I've caught them.with a solve.

I'll look more at Auro when I can tommorow based on your read dong. If there's something super specific there it'd help to point it out, but it's probably in your iso.

[Dannflor]

the general feeling in my team chat is that hop's catchup is designed to look towny but it doesn't really logically make sense

And Hop feels panicked tonally

also fmpov the wagon on Hop is 3 town so I'm happy with this lynch

[Hopkirk]

Hop if BB is town then either I have to be scum or all town are voting you right now :V

You mean the 3 people including you? Not sure I see a problem there?

I dont really see that as being unlikely though when my top individual scumread isn't voting, most people in general aren't voting, and I'm not a fan of you.

If it's gobble with you or cheeky then it makes absolute sense. If it's gobble with Molla it makes sense. If it's gobble.with fish it makes sense because fish isn't here.

I want to hear more about your team's thought processes on me.

[Dannflor]

Ank doesn't town read your D1 stuff at all

Eddie feels more confident you red after the catchup

also uh

Where does Ceph have a strong town read on you?

[Hopkirk]

the general feeling in my team chat is that hop's catchup is designed to look towny but it doesn't really logically make sense

And Hop feels panicked tonally

also fmpov the wagon on Hop is 3 town so I'm happy with this lynch

It looks like anything other than flow of consciousness?

Saying it doesn't make logical sense isn't a valid critique. Which bits? Considering that I'm confirmed town and you're not based are assumed knowledge underlying any logic.

[Hopkirk]

My gamesolve is to gamesolve. Not to look town. I've already obvtowned.

[Hopkirk]

Kind of surprised none of your team is even claiming they did meta tbh.

[Dannflor]

There's scum equity in the people not being meaningfully pushed. Looking from my perspective this gamestate doesn't happen with consensus townreads being right here.

I don't accept that in a gamestate where the people most widely considered town have discussed it with their teams and are happy to vote me here. Just look at how good team mafia towns in general are. I'm very unconvinced that the alleged amount of effort being put into this results in Esperon then me being the primary wagons when we're 2/4 of the easiest lynch targets in the game (based on general reads/activity/avoiding consensus challenging)- the other 2 being Dong and Gobble.

Hop 'Hopcoptor' Hop

"towns are good therefore LHF shouldn't be wagoned" does not make sense given the paragraphs upon paragraphs of words I've written about how LHF is good to lynch early actually

and there's just the fact that like... what if scum really is in that grouping?

[Dannflor]

Kind of surprised none of your team is even claiming they did meta tbh.

ank specifically scum reads you for reasons she cannot talk about rnow

[Dannflor]

Also I don't think you look at your wagon as town and say, "yeah that could be all town"

[Dannflor]

EC wanted to post this as his updated team solve list:

Spoiler: Data Set 3

BB Cheeky
BB Auro
FF Hop
FF Dong
FF Goble
Cheeky Hop
Cheeky Goble
Auro Hop
Auro Dong
Auro Goble
Hop Dong
Hop Goble
+ less likely
BB Gobble - 774/votes
Dong Goble - 341
Cheek Dong - 549/573

FF - 3
Cheeky 4
BB - 3
Auro - 4
Dong - 5
Goble - 5
Hop - 5

He's also decided he's not reevaluating Cephrir past town this game so he's gone from the combinations.

Also, @Hopkirk, if you want to engage with Eddie, go for it. Tom is mostly busy IRL and Ank is busier + has the Large is ongoing. EC is more interested gauging from a perspective of "I'm lynching you today and then there's 2 more if the game doesn't end," rather than town blocking you

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi Hop, I've heard so much about you!

[CheekyTeeky]

Hop when did I go from obv town to lynch pool for you?

[CheekyTeeky]

BB Cheeky

This is ridiculous.

[CheekyTeeky]

So CT has the chance to hammer FF, switches to BB who goes to L-1 over her nsg scumbud and like mind forces Dann and co to lynch nsg? Like wtf. FF makes more sense and in what world do I wagon my other scumbud over no-resistance nsg scumbud.

[CheekyTeeky]

sigh.

[Dannflor]

So CT has the chance to hammer FF, switches to BB who goes to L-1 over her nsg scumbud and like mind forces Dann and co to lynch nsg? Like wtf. FF makes more sense and in what world do I wagon my other scumbud over no-resistance nsg scumbud.

We've noted it as very unlikely due to that. It's specifically one of the ones we remove in the second data set.

I guess it's only still in consideration because *paranoia,* but overall I don't really think that's a likely pairing at all.