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Post Post #7300 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:55 pm

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In post 5567, Saudade wrote:Ari you can keep babysitting him might as well change his diaper in a while
Ico you can keep being.. well you, like that one time you replaced into my game called all the scum town and all the town scum and that was it
skitter30???? ever since last game your reads were horse shit not gonna lie and if it werent for you getting night killed we'd never lynch Wake88 and won the game at lylo
MathBlade I've no qualms genuine attempts to read through this horseshit
Rule of three. Rule of three. The same rule of three as RCE before.
Plus the shade here was imho an attempt at distancing here and an attempt to buddy me.

If there is no traitor then RCE + Skitter is hella likely.
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Post Post #7301 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:56 pm

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Math im not meaning to offend with this statement however.

Once I flip I think you need to consider backing down from wanting to be towns voice, and play a supporting role instead. I think this is in the best interest of town.
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Post Post #7302 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:57 pm

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In post 5571, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 5568, RCEnigma wrote:You could quote their win % a bunch or something.
You mean discrediting Mathblade's play prowess then? Well, I would never have nightkilled them and Math responds significantly better to pocketing than what I did and given past history with the Titus siblings I have universally kept them around by letting them get their way and letting them lynch town, why didn't I let them do that here? At least one of the people Math has pushed (Skitter/Ari) has to be scum unless it's literally the 3 of us.
^^ Oooh look either Skitter or Ari is scum per RC.

Seriously if you don’t listen to me listen to RC.
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Post Post #7303 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:00 pm

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In post 7301, RCEnigma wrote:Math im not meaning to offend with this statement however.

Once I flip I think you need to consider backing down from wanting to be towns voice, and play a supporting role instead. I think this is in the best interest of town.
If you flip town then I have no regrets over it.

It would be necessary because of the jailkeep claim.
I would have zero regrets over it.

I would be sad sure.

Also I am not “the voice”.

I gave my opinion and others agree/disagree.

Everyone disagrees with my traitor theory. Fine. I may take a different road to get there but that doesn’t make me wrong.

Your lynch is needed. And I am pretty sure you’re scum.
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Post Post #7304 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:03 pm

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In post 6054, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, RCE never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today
Saudade never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today.
Shos also entered and didn't say much about it but pretty handily discredited my Math scumread
Bella too I think never was willing to consider Math scum today
Xtoxm... hasn't really taken a stance on anything

Obviously Iconeum exists and has the ~inno~
Math is math

Of the remaining players
Teacher thought Math scum made more sense than me at some point.
Skitter was getting frustrated and pissed off and thought he might be scum.
Ari actually voted him at one point.
I went after Mathblade at one point.
Flopz discredited the likelihood of Math being the protect which again seems significantly likely to come from T than S in this situation.

I really think Math has the illusion that their play was obvtown and deserves to be townread because all the scum players were never considering him and is only hunting in the pool of people that went after him even thought that's the exact opposite of what's happening here.
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RC says RCE scum
(He was imho wrong on Skitter here and contradicted his one of Skitter/Ari here but)
You get the jist and look at why.

Seriously RCE and RC had their own issues and back and forth that convinced me to vote RCE a bit.

RCE is scum here people.
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Post Post #7305 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:04 pm

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What's my vc at?
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Post Post #7306 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:05 pm

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In post 7305, RCEnigma wrote:What's my vc at?
Why are you concerned instead of giving reads/interacting?
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Post Post #7307 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:06 pm

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I don't really want to interact with you tbh.
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Post Post #7308 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:06 pm

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I was waiting on Skitter but I missed her.
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Post Post #7309 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:07 pm

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In post 7307, RCEnigma wrote:I don't really want to interact with you tbh.
Then don’t and give reads elsewhere if you’re town.
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Post Post #7310 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 pm

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Ico Bella teacher Flopz never go into the Poe.

Order of scum equity in the Poe:

Shos/Xtoxm, Ari, Skitter

Math probably town but I probably still wouldn't put them above Skitter in terms of towniness.

Skitter is really only a Poe option because I can't plausible rule them out as not being partners with any other given slot in the Poe.
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Post Post #7311 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:14 pm

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Plausibly*
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Post Post #7312 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:39 am

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In post 7240, implosion wrote:
Spoiler: straws grasping at yet more elusive straws
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Vote Count 3.5
RCEnigma
(3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos
MathBlade
(1): skitter30

Not Voting (6): RCEnigma, Aristophanes, Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher, Iconeum

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 11 PM PST on the 12th, in (expired on 2020-02-13 03:00:00).
This is definitely not enough votes on RCE.
If you’re not on RCE people you need to explain why.
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Post Post #7313 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:08 am

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In post 3160, implosion wrote:
Spoiler: eulogy for a glass trombonist
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Vote Count 1.23 (FINAL)
the worst
(7): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes
(2): Bellaphant, Iconeum
RadiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm, the worst
Plum
(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
VOTE: shos

I have explained. Looking at the D1 associatives, the tw lynch wagon, the people on the shos wagon D2 makes me think this is the best today. I will commit to RCE tomorrow if this flips town.
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Post Post #7314 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:40 am

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In post 7313, teacher wrote:
In post 3160, implosion wrote:
Spoiler: eulogy for a glass trombonist
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Vote Count 1.23 (FINAL)
the worst
(7): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes
(2): Bellaphant, Iconeum
RadiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm, the worst
Plum
(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
VOTE: shos

I have explained. Looking at the D1 associatives, the tw lynch wagon, the people on the shos wagon D2 makes me think this is the best today. I will commit to RCE tomorrow if this flips town.
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Post Post #7315 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:34 am

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In post 7252, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7247, MathBlade wrote:Below is a Titus paraphrase: (I don’t agree but ...*shrug*)

Hey everyone,

My VCA says we should leave RCE alone and go after shos and Flopz, if I am wrong on teacher. The only scum on the Flopz wagon in 1.8 was shos(will explain why no RCE soon). Shos is in the run people over with a vehicle with lots of wheels spot. 1.13 and 1.14 leave the teacher longshot as possible. Back half of the worst wagon is loaded with lots of people that are possibly scummy. That suggests a flip worst, lynch RC strategy.

N1, Scum kill RCE to get Math and RC fighting like cats and dogs. Bella healed him.

D2, Opening, Flopz jumps on Ari mislynch when Shos wagoned. Rule of adjoining peoples, Flopz and teacher unlikely. Teacher likely townbeard. Confscum on skitter wagon with no counter. Skitter locktown for today. 2.8 is a neon lynch Shos sign. 2.11-2.15, Flopz waffles on whether to use a vehicle for manslaughter of an evil person or stick with Math v RC plan. Sausade self hammer suggests at least one scum on.

I say to lynch shos and Flopz.

——— End Titus paraphrase ———
I disagree just being a good teammate
Shos/flopz is a bullshit bracket to lynch in
It's actually scummy to even think it tbh
@ico/shos
Is it only scummy when Titus does it?
Or am I right in thinking Teacher can be scum with RCE?

>> Doesn’t vote RCE even with his narrowed world RCE is more than likely scum.
>> Then votes shos with almost nothing despite saying what I found earlier was not a slip.
Either shos is scum and slipped RC town or Shos is town and that isn’t a slip

Like teacher’s swap needs a hell of a lot more explanation
Because from my POV it looks like he can’t get me mislynched but is trying to see if Titus will convince me to vote shos.
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Post Post #7316 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:36 am

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Like if I could nuke RCE,Teacher,and Skitter and see their flips I think the game is over.
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Post Post #7317 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:38 am

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In post 6206, teacher wrote:
In post 6201, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 6199, teacher wrote:Ugh. Another fun 1v1 “caught!scum” go round with RC. Is this like round 6? (math/flopz/ari/duck/skitter/math/RCE/am I missing any??)

Honestly I could give af at this point. This game sucks, and the thread is unreadable. Hope you’re proud.
Can you actually read this please.

Just the last 5 pages.
I did. I think I see what you’ve said but I’m fairly drunk so want to sober do it.
Teachers response to RC is that he saw what RC was saying....
Yet he “townreads” RCE?
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Post Post #7318 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:42 am

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In post 6216, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6214, RCEnigma wrote:This is even worse than the saudade wagon lol. When I flip no one gets to argue RC as town. Not even a little bit. You guys don't get to Lynch TW by feeding into his bullshit then me for feeding into his bullshit and still consider a world that RC is town.
I agree.

This wagon is more telling of RC than Saud though as this seems more SvT and Saud v RC feels SvS or TVT
In post 6220, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would prefer not to change my vote until I talk to Skitter btw. Trust me to see it if she's SvS with RCE and I want to work with her in any other situation here.
RC said I wasn't trying to sort him.
You came up with 3 different, contradictory explanations for your Xtoxm push before you came up with this one.
Saud hammers before this conversation happens with Skitter.

I wonder why.

Like if I am wrong on traitor I am pretty sure teacher or Skitter is the last based on wagon resistance.

Titus has this pegged earlier and I don’t get why she changed at all.
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Post Post #7319 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:33 pm

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I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.
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Post Post #7320 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:13 pm

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In post 7319, Aristophanes wrote:I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.
Uhm why is RCE better for tomorrow?

It’s clear you’re not in the mood but this needs a lot more explanation.
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Post Post #7321 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:24 pm

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In post 7320, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7319, Aristophanes wrote:I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.
Uhm why is RCE better for tomorrow?

It’s clear you’re not in the mood but this needs a lot more explanation.
You know what, hold on my answer to that. I just remembered I never did this yet:
In post 6284, Aristophanes wrote:Uggh do I need to read the last 10 pages where RC grills RCE and shows they're not understanding the game (from what I skimmed) and convinced Math and Saudade to vote RCE because, and I'm assuming here, he's feeling ingenuous and wrong in what he is saying and RC seems right to them for once?

Or did I mostly nail it.
In post 6287, RadiantCowbells wrote:No rush to read it

I really just did that whole thing for in case I die tonight.
How can I actually give a proper response when I skipped this entirely?

I'll do it as part of my read-up when I do finally get to this though.
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Post Post #7322 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:31 pm

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In post 7321, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 7320, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7319, Aristophanes wrote:I'm still really not in the mood for any of this.

Also I don't think there's a traitor but what do I know.

Also also I still think shos > xtoxm but I haven't read much of xtoxm's posts this phase so that is subjrct to change I guess.

If RCE is still on the table that is probably best slated for another phase imo.


Okay bye.
Uhm why is RCE better for tomorrow?

It’s clear you’re not in the mood but this needs a lot more explanation.
You know what, hold on my answer to that. I just remembered I never did this yet:
In post 6284, Aristophanes wrote:Uggh do I need to read the last 10 pages where RC grills RCE and shows they're not understanding the game (from what I skimmed) and convinced Math and Saudade to vote RCE because, and I'm assuming here, he's feeling ingenuous and wrong in what he is saying and RC seems right to them for once?

Or did I mostly nail it.
In post 6287, RadiantCowbells wrote:No rush to read it

I really just did that whole thing for in case I die tonight.
How can I actually give a proper response when I skipped this entirely?

I'll do it as part of my read-up when I do finally get to this though.
Thank you.

I think RC’s opinion + RCE being jailkept is pretty damning.

If not I really would like to hear why your opinion outweighs RC’s by interacting with it and stating what is wrong about it or what overrides all that.

Because I think you’d need a pretty strong case considering RC died.
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Post Post #7323 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:03 pm

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In post 7273, Xtoxm wrote:individual chance of each slot being nk is ~9.1%

math nk: 9.1%
rce nk: 9.1%
rce makes kill = sum over remaining 9 slots = 81.8%
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Post Post #7324 (ISO) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:06 pm

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In post 7277, MathBlade wrote:Full strongman 1) improbable as no successful N1 kill
2) that’s where I was getting one of Bella/Ico scum but that got shot down as not “balanced”.
3) Incorrect. Xtom as scum says not neighborized here unless they tried to neighborize RCE and failed. With Saud being multitasking the action was very likely used making Xtom very likely town.
4) Both you and teacher may not understand my moonlogic but RCE is the lynch that we need atm. I may be bad at wordy words but I am good at trying really hard.
5) RCE if he knows he’s the lynch doesn’t give info. Here he’s not trying for reads. He tried to push me with a what if?
This is absolutely the right play why are you and teacher so against it?
6) Why are you assuming only one deep wolf? RCE plus you and/or teacher is highly probable here. I honestly expected to come back with RCEs flip when I left for the bay. Not resistance
for most of these i'm not sure how they follow from what i said, and i think u misunderstood my xtoxm point, since you wrote incorrect and then repeated my conclusion

i don't think i'm voting rce rn

i don't think i'm inherently assuming one deep wolf, but in the universe that rce is implicated as scum, it's because he did the nk n1, which would imply in that universe he was the deepest wolf. i think that if he's in that position he'd be more worried about flipping, and he just isn't
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