BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[davesaz]

Aaron is flipped Variant #1
Nancy is Boon #1
Renegade scum is variant #2 (maybe even "split" renegade since 2 mods n1?)

no renegade actions claimed for n2 huh?

any of the dead townies claim receiving any mods?

No renegade for n2. I think Chemist is mistaken about mod timing.

No second modifier for n3 given out.

Only me RCE and chemist got them as far as I know.

You seem to have missed me getting a modifier n2 but not saying what it is.

[davesaz]

Titus, please explain what you're seeing for RCE scum. I think you may have found something but neglected to fill in the blanks on what the something is.

[Titus]

Titus, please explain what you're seeing for RCE scum. I think you may have found something but neglected to fill in the blanks on what the something is.

Ok.

We know Aaron is a variant.
We know Venus and Mars was a Boon Bank.
Renegade is a Boon Bank.

So how do RCE and Chemist get modifiers n1 unless a Boon Bank role is allowed to exist multiple times? Two Boon Banks is the max for a large.

One of the vendors should vend RCE and Bambi watch if we don't lynch him.

[Weiss Schnee]

One of the vendors should vend RCE and Bambi watch if we don't lynch him.

on a Joan lynch I'm okay with this unless Joan's flip "explains everything somehow"

Renegade is a Boon Bank role but the SLOT is variant which means it could have a game modifier not listed in OP

[Weiss Schnee]

"night 1 TRIPLE Renegade"

or maybe for shakespeare theme

"PROLOGUE Renegade"

wait did this game have a night 0 phase? Maybe Renegade gets two choices in pre-game that were only announced later

that it has basically functioned as a normal scum renegade but had some front-loaded actions makes me feel like this is just Variant Bullshit

[Amrun]

No n0 that I’m aware of.

[davesaz]

Mod: Do multiple copies of the same Boonbank role take up two variant slots?

If that answer is no, I don't see how RCE and I can both be town.

The logic of this is flipped, which is what I was confused about.

Multiple copies take multiple slots -> too many modifiers some must be scum.
That would be a yes answer to the question, not a no answer.

This matches something I already said btw. I said that if renegade isn't somehow able to target two slots, then half the modifier claims are scum trying to signal and/or using the "modifier" to flip the results they should be getting/showing if they didn't have the modifier.

[RCEnigma]

Bambi + Joan + Amrun + Fishy??? Throw in Enigma as dessert.

-Hectic

Well yeah if bef is scum I would have to be scum. That's established.

[Weiss Schnee]

Well yeah if bef is scum I would have to be scum. That's established.

no? yours is one of the weakest clears; BEF + 1-shot BP is all that needs vs. BEF + scum doctor vs. BEF 1-shot commuter even since that's the night he targeted Chara and has no confirmed result

[Weiss Schnee]

actually BEF almost would have fit as a niche shot for Enchantress if we hadn't mechanically confirmed Enchantress couldn't exist

but scum alien targeting BEF n1 from a same-PT that would confirm to him no one got his fruit would also work

[RCEnigma]

Well yeah if bef is scum I would have to be scum. That's established.

no? yours is one of the weakest clears; BEF + 1-shot BP is all that needs vs. BEF + scum doctor vs. BEF 1-shot commuter even since that's the night he targeted Chara and has no confirmed result

He targeted Nancy the night I shot but I hadnt considered him as a scum doc target actually.

[RCEnigma]

actually BEF almost would have fit as a niche shot for Enchantress if we hadn't mechanically confirmed Enchantress couldn't exist

but scum alien targeting BEF n1 from a same-PT that would confirm to him no one got his fruit would also work

It might. But the reason alien makes sense in the first place is the night action clusterfuck night 1 and wouldn't explain both of those scenarios simultaneously.

[RCEnigma]

Titus, please explain what you're seeing for RCE scum. I think you may have found something but neglected to fill in the blanks on what the something is.

Ok.

We know Aaron is a variant.
We know Venus and Mars was a Boon Bank.
Renegade is a Boon Bank.

So how do RCE and Chemist get modifiers n1 unless a Boon Bank role is allowed to exist multiple times? Two Boon Banks is the max for a large.

One of the vendors should vend RCE and Bambi watch if we don't lynch him.

Thought we should have done this yesterday but I'm fine with being targeted by either vendor or both and Bambi Rands which one to follow.

[Weiss Schnee]

Oh right, yeah couldn't have been alien then. Scum rolestopper still fits though since that seems to be what scum have given the no result on titus from bambi

[50 Judge Powers]

VOTE: Enigma

Following Titus seema like a better plan for now, so I'll stick with this one.

Please.. PRETTY PLEASE.. Make note of this after Joan flips SCUM! Don't let this sneaky ******* charm his/her way to yet another scum,

[Titus]

VOTE: Enigma

Following Titus seema like a better plan for now, so I'll stick with this one.

Please.. PRETTY PLEASE.. Make note of this after Joan flips SCUM! Don't let this sneaky ******* charm his/her way to yet another scum,

Can you just be quiet? You're not helping but spamming.

[davesaz]

What's the setup niche for Bambi's role as scum?
That isn't a make or break but it's important anyway.

[Weiss Schnee]

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Bambi Red flip is just a red flip, but Bambi is not the scum renegade or the scum rolestopper. Functionally if she's scum, she's one scum pair's investigative, but after massclaim I don't think her role is that strong for scum at this point

Oh yeah, and I also don't think she's in the same pt as the Renegade, so she's probably not same-PT as Joan

I don't think there's a particularly narrow niche for bambi scum tho overall

[Titus]

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

[RCEnigma]

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

Bambi confirms chemist hid behind creature. On a Bambi!town flip that's a true check.

[Titus]

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

Bambi confirms chemist hid behind creature. On a Bambi!town flip that's a true check.

A scum hider can be a thing. Only the action is confirmed.

[RCEnigma]

Bambi Green Flip confirms Chemist-Creature are same alignment

Explain please.

Bambi confirms chemist hid behind creature. On a Bambi!town flip that's a true check.

A scum hider can be a thing. Only the action is confirmed.

Are you saying that from the angle scum could have a protective but hider makes more sense than scum doc?

I guess, it's unlikely. Creature is cleared on a Bambi town flip either way.

[Weiss Schnee]

Titus is right; red flip on chemist would not make creature scum, unless chemist flipped loyal

I was oversimplifying because the consequence is the same (chemist always gets lynched first)

[Amrun]

Why would a scum hider ever exist?

[Weiss Schnee]

To avoid vigs

Seems a little unusual in a game with only a single odd vig but it's not impossible, the hider did claim odds as well

odd hider vs odd vig would be a little bit low power for scum in this setup would be an additional concern so... not sure overall, not today's problem though because chemist is not getting lynched