White Flag - TM2020

[Auro]

Yes. Wifom, your favourite

I mean, my comment was more to demonstrate that Wifom accusations are generally unproductive - whenever I make an argument about possibilities, you say I'm scum wifoming it up.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Auro - 2

(Dongempire, Formerfish)

Dannflor - 1

(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 4

(Auro, BBMolla, Dannflor, gobbledygook)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-19 09:00:00)

With 7 Alive, it takes 4 to Lynch

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes. Wifom, your favourite

I mean, my comment was more to demonstrate that Wifom accusations are generally unproductive - whenever I make an argument about possibilities, you say I'm scum wifoming it up.

Can we focus on lynching FF or Dong? What are your thoughts there?

[Auro]

Why would FF+Dong come into the day antagonizing me when I'm tunneled on Gobble?

[Auro]

If Gobbles is town, scum literally just have to lurk out, or continue posting uninteresting shit and let me drive the lynch; and settle into a very favorable LyLo position.

[Auro]

If {Cheeky, Dann, Auro} are all town, we have a 83.33% winrate, and if we can guarantee that at least one pairing in that four is impossible, we have a 100% winrate.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would FF+Dong come into the day antagonizing me when I'm tunneled on Gobble?

Because what do they do tomorrow if gobbles/dann/me are gone? Dong was next on the shit list so they had to come into today pushing you, NK dann, lynch gobbles or CT in lylo. Dong has been stirring paranoia in the townreads since D2, FF has been fine scumreading anyone scum read until today.

Alternatively they were planning on Dann/me in lylo for the paranoid win. Looking at their read progressions towards each other, their lurk and follow the bad leaders style, the PoE of teams...you honestly can't get more obvious when looking in the right place.

[CheekyTeeky]

In fact they probably expect us to lynch gobbles to make you/me/Dann lylo even more winnable tbh.

[Auro]

Cheeky/Me works better for a paranoid win. A Gobbles town flip would lend me a LOT of scum equity.

I think FF is townier for a few reasons, I'll make a note in sometime. While it shouldn't matter in theory, LyLo shenanigans are still a thing.

[Auro]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81665&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Cheeky, read this and tell me if you notice a difference from their play this game?

Cheeky, can you do this now?

[CheekyTeeky]

So Dong?

[CheekyTeeky]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81665&user_select%5 ... &start=200

Cheeky, read this and tell me if you notice a difference from their play this game?

Cheeky, can you do this now?

Yeah, gobbles actually tried and was slimey. Is he town there?

[Auro]

Between Dong/FF, Dong.

FF's trajectories don't look planned. The premises behind his claims are demonstrably untrue, but I believe he believes them; as scum who made those NKs he'd have a higher general level of awareness and would manage to pick out better arguments.

Dong, meanwhile, isn't showing genuine thought. He began with a tunnel on me, promised a case on me - but his posts reveal that he decided I'm scum first and is then trying to fit explanations. Listing Gob at the same level of scumread is icky. If you scumread two people equally, and there's a wagon on one of them and not the other, why would you push the other?

Dong+Gobble can exactly be the scumteam.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok let's vote Dong then but wait on my VCA.

[Auro]

Yeah, gobbles actually tried and was slimey. Is he town there?

"Slimey"?

I assumed it was a scumgame for some reason when I read the ISO. I was very surprised at the effort he put in and how obvtown he seemed to me. He was actually town there.

One primary characteristic in this game, and other towngames is the presence of meaningful engagement - his pushes all seem very real. I don't see any empty/"bad" questions. He follows up on responses, with more questions or with a vote, etc.

His play here is starkly different not just in terms of activity but the kind of engagement and thought processes he shows in his posts. His questions are mostly busywork. He's fixated on details that have occured way in the past. His solve that scum are in "first tier townreads" is incongruent with his tone - town thinking this wouldn't relax if they actually believed this, especially when said "first tier townreads but actually scum" are baying for their blood.

I don't think there's a single towngame where he behaves this way.

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

Vote Count

wguerts

- 4

(

Kittymo

, Dannflor,

northsidegal

, Auro)

Kittymo

- 2

(

wgeurts

,

Hopkirk

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Formerfish

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Auro - 1

(

Cephrir

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

KittyMo

- 2

(

wgeurts

,

Hopkirk

)

Formerfish

- 2

(

Dongempire

, Dannflor)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Auro - 1

(

Cephrir

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Cephrir

- 1

(Auro)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Cephrir

- 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Auro - 2

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

Formerfish

- 1

(Dannflor)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Joan of Arc

)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Cephrir

- 3

(Auro,

Dongempire

, Dannflor)

Auro - 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

)

gobbledygook

- 2

(

Dunnstral

,

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Formerfish

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 0

( )

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Formerfish

- 3

(

Dunnstral

, Auro, Dannflor

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Not Voting - 0

( )

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

, Dannflor)

Formerfish

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

wgeurts

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

, Dannflor)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Joan of Arc

)

KittyMo

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dunnstral

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

, Dannflor,

Hopkirk

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

Dunnstral

- 1

(

Kittymo

)

Formerfish

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dunnstral

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Kittymo

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

BBMolla

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 3

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

,

Kittymo

)

Auro - 2

(

Espeonage

,

Formerfish

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

)

wguerts

- 1

(

northsidegal

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Dunnstral

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

Formerfish

- 1

(

CheekyTeeky

)

Not Voting - 2

(Auro,

Dongempire

)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 5

(

Kittymo

,

Cephrir

,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

gobbledygook

)

Formerfish

- 4

(

BBMolla

,

northsidegal

, Dannflor,

Espeonage

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro,

CheekyTeeky

,

Dongempire

)

Activity Check - All Good!

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 7

(

Kittymo

,

Dunnstral

,

gobbledygook

,

BBMolla

, Dannflor,

Cephrir

,

Dongempire

)

Formerfish

- 2

(

northsidegal

,

Espeonage

)

BBMolla

- 2

(

CheekyTeeky

,

Formerfish

)

gobbledygook

- 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Vote Count

Hopkirk

- 3

(

BBMolla

,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

)

Espeonage

- 1

(Dannflor)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Cephrir

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 11

(Auro,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

CheekyTeeky

,

Dunnstral

, Auro)

Hopkirk

- 2

(

BBMolla

,

Cephrir

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Dannflor - 1

(

Espeonage

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

Not Voting - 2

(

Formerfish

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

,

Dunnstral

)

Dongempire

- 2

(

gobbledygook

,

Formerfish

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro,

BBMolla

,

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 4

(Dannflor,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

BBMolla

)

goobledygook

- 3

(Auro,

CheekyTeeky

,

Cephrir

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Vote Count

Espeonage

- 6

(Dannflor,

Dunnstral

,

Formerfish

,

BBMolla

,

CheekyTeeky

, Auro)

goobledygook

- 2

(

Cephrir

,

Hopkirk

)

Dongempire

- 1

(

gobbledygook

)

CheekyTeeky

- 1

(

Dongempire

)

Hopkirk

- 1

(

Espeonage

)

Not Voting - 0

Looking at Day 2 Gobbles/Dong doesn't really vibe.
Gobbles/FF doesn't either.

[CheekyTeeky]

Actually gobbles FF might work but I still think Dong is scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

When thinking about FF vs Gobbles. Gobbles has been consistently average whereas FF high efforted D1 and has struggled to replicate that engagement since. Which is more likely to be scum? Obviously scum need to high effort early in order to blend, NKing Cephrir was actually a mistake for scum if Auro/Dann are town because they have less people lurking to blend with.

Dong consistently attempts to tryhard day start and then lurks out the rest of the day coasting on pushing impossible lynches while town eats itself up.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think we're looking for people who try-harded and couldn't keep it up. Dong and FF both tick that box.

[CheekyTeeky]

His play here is starkly different not just in terms of activity but the kind of engagement and thought processes he shows in his posts.

I agreed with this. But this could be the TM effect. When I was pushing him and BB intervened I thought that was weird af for both of them. BB seems pretty happy lynching him now and I'm left wondering what changed.

[Auro]

Molla, you're still on board for lynching Gobbles, right?

[BBmolla]

Molla, you're still on board for lynching Gobbles, right?

im voting cheeky

[Auro]

All I can think of when I look at those VCs is that Dong is scum

You feel stronger about her than Dong? What makes her scum, apart from the AtE?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Dong

[gobbledygook]

Auro why did you ignore my most recent question to you?