Newbie 1984 - Game Over

[IMASPY]

ill be out here trying to solve this game till the day i die

[Hectic]

Alright, I'm sleeping now but I have great expectations upon my return.
Try and address:
-What you found scummy between Natsu and I. I know you quoted some posts, but I wanna hear your reasoning for those posts.
-What I just said about the trap thing just now.

[Detective Pikachu]

idk
VOTE: Natsu
willing to try this on for size

[IMASPY]

At the end of reading, reacting to what i was reading, and reacting to reactions to my reactions i have come to a final tier list for my current game.

Round 1
Luca
Dsjstr
DkKoba
72offsuit
Hectic
DP
Natsu

[IMASPY]

VOTE: Natsu I will def roll with that.

[IMASPY]

Listen to me all i have a plan... we should go no further in discussion. Kill nastu.... if he flips green then if what happens tonight happens etc etc etc i think you guys will go into day 3 with atleast 1 mafia killed.

[IMASPY]

but hey im open for discussion about if we should have no further discussion.

[Luca Blight]

Pikachu + Luca. I see the SE's are doing a bang-up job on teaching us newbies how it's done.

No but seriously I want both of you dead so this game can get under control.

I'm feeling better about Arthur's slot with IMASPY in it now. I am noticing that I am getting scum-read fairly often by multiple different people, which honestly runs counter to my scum games where I think I was scum mleaned only once during RVS. I guess that makes sense.

For the record I usually post on weekends but I ended up with a cold. Been mostly observing when I have the energy.

Do you still think my arguments with Pikachu are manufactured?

The second paragraph seems like reverse-psychology - making out that you’re only widely scumread when you’re Town. This kind of argument never sits well with me.

[Luca Blight]

Pikachu + Luca. I see the SE's are doing a bang-up job on teaching us newbies how it's done.

really though why is this game full of a bunch of condescending pricks?

being new doesn't give you permission to be rude

You should practice what you preach, Pikachu.

[Luca Blight]

I have to say that I see Spy as more of a mature player than the last newbie game I played with him. They will be another Null read for me, once again I feel like I can see past what they are doing but then again I just see them as improving like anyone should. Based on a purely meta read they are Nul, for the record that is also how I judged Luca and 72o.

Deferentially don't think my reads are 100% accurate

Why do I get the impression you’re treading on eggshells with your reads?

[72offsuit]

This is ridiculous. Im still on page 12 -_-

[72offsuit]

Why aren't you answering the RQS, Arthur and Luca?

Because at least one of them rolled scum and possibly both

B

This is not saying you're scum because you didn't answer rqs, it's saying you didn't answer rqs because you're scum. And it was also half joking

notice how his scumreads are the people hectic called out for absolutely no reason
interesting

The interplay between Hectic and Pikachu has been sending off alarms in my head. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it. I guess it's because all the SE's have played with each other before. Pikachu is really reaching in most of his scumreads, and seems to be crafting narratives out of nothing.

@72offsuit, honestly look at Pikachu's iso and tell me how on earth you see it as being a townread? He looks like a sharper version of my scum partner from last game.

Slight TR on DP was that:
1) Mainly I agreed with his scum-read on yourself and the explanations he provided - as per p220.
2) I agreed with him in p258 Re: luca at that stage doing 0 solving p

Only negative was the gimmicky filler spamming at that stage.

[72offsuit]

72offsuit

Luca Blight (SE)
Hectic (SE)
DkKoba

ROUND ONE

dsjstr
Natsu

ArthurConyl

@Detective Pikachu
1. I can't work out if you're trying to be serious or not
2. Why are dsjstr, Natsu and I considered scummy?
3. Normally a weird post like this would be considered scummy, listing everyone like you're so smart and not even giving justification? But then again I can't work out if you're scum or just making a bad play.

Why would you not think the reads based off RVS are genuine?
Because you dislike the results of said reads?

This is a leading question and feels like a misrep as well - Arthur has a problem with the lack of explanation, not the fact they were based on RVS.

Yes, it was a leading question, no Its not a misrep.
I wanted him to respond and wanted to read his reaction - eg to see if he would be defensive, to see if he would say i was putting words in his mouth etc

[72offsuit]

Btw 72, fluff galore? I feel you’re massively exaggerating. Lurking? That is an assumption. I’ve been busy recently and only have time to post in spurts, as I’m doing currently.

Choo choo, chugga chugga choo choo!

Anyone boarding the AC ArthurConyl express wagon?

VOTE: ArthurConyl

I can’t help but feel Arthur is an easy target based on what he’s posted so far. It’s not spectacular, but I don’t see anything patricianly scummy about it, and I liked the tone of his defiant post greeting the thread.

You seem to TR Pikachu, so is there any reason you chose to go in another direction rather than join my wagon?

I didnt specifically scum read you. All i had was lurking from you. Your afk seems genuine though and your catch up has been good. I wanted to put more pressure on you by FoSing you.
I thought and still do think that AC/Ima is a better lynch.

[72offsuit]

@Hectic/72

I notice you both TR Koba for being irritated with Pikachu’s gimmick. Could you explain why this is Town-indicative?

Pretty much what hectic said. in p333.
Useless filler benefits scum

[ROUND ONE]

I have a life

bad reply

[ROUND ONE]

R1 sounds very innocent idk how to explain it but their tone is so pure i cant ever vote them here

im like this as scum too uwu

[72offsuit]

+1 TR tier
Luca

+0.5 TR tier
DSJ, DP, Hectic

Null tier
DK

-0.5 SR tier
R1

-1 SR tier
AC/IMA, Natsu

[72offsuit]

Luca – Overall I like his catch up after him being away.
- Agree with Luca’s p310 re: null read on DK, changed since my last reads list.
- Agree with his analysis of Natsu – see above

DSJ
Very slight TR on DSJ mainly due to p351 about asking for an opinion on the rest of his reads list, but largely counterbalanced by the lurking and very little content.
Re: his reads list - Don’t see why he thinks R1 is town, think his other reads seem reasonable. Agree w him Re: natsu’s scumminess.

DP – p511 rehash to keep all my reads in 1 post:
Slight TR on DP 1) Mainly I agreed with his scum-read on yourself and the explanations he provided - as per p220.
2) I agreed with him in p258 Re: luca at that stage doing 0 solving
Only negative was the gimmicky filler spamming at that stage.

Since then the thread kinda devolved with his argument with Luca. Not sure y but it kinda feels like town v town, really unsure though. Have seen this kind of nonsense occasionally on epicmafia, just seems much more unlikely in forum mafia, but ive only played 1 previous game.

Hectic – agree with his p322 Re: liking Luca’s catch up
P352Agree with his TR on DSJ at this stage, but only marginally

DK – initially seemed slightly town, and had been TR by a few players, and then he suddenly started lurking after the TRs. Scummy vibe, that he went AFK after being TR.
p386 just rubbed me the wrong way regarding his stance on R1.
Of the 8 remaining players, he only has posted a read on AC/IMA, TRs on R1, DP, hectic.... barely elaborates at all on these reads.

R1 – a lot of spamming filler. Mentioning scum team analysis, just seems pretty useless this early (p286, p290)
P297: Posts reads list - Doesn’t really provide much info as to why she is TRing me, has AC as the top TR??? I fail to see how that can be the case.

Natsu – agree with Luca’s p303, p307 regarding natsu’s filler posts, and natsu’s fence-sitting
- p324: states he has a “hard time reading” me – zero clarification. Doesn’t scum read or TR any of my posts. Also TRs R1 with zero clarification – the wording of seems “townie enough to me” REALLY rubs me the wrong way - I get a really bad vibe from this line
Arthur rehashed from p275
- p45 where he oddly dislikes reads - sitting on the fence and hedging your bets is scummy. Posting reads is pro-town, no matter how early. Scummy post.
- doesn;t really care about 5 other players, doesnt ask why for example i am green at the top of DPS RVS stage reads. Seems mainly interested about himself ---- scummy.
- p49: scummy post, see DK's analysis
- p61: No order to 5 players? All equal in rank? Just seems weird to me, that 5 players can all be on the same level of town-scum. Why post a town-scum scale if there is no scale? O.o

IMA’s reads list:
Agree with IMA’s reads on Natsu as scum and Luca as town
Disagree with R1 as top TR
Completely ignores myself and DK.. just randomly shoves us 2 in the middle of his scale

Interestingly, sees DP as his #2 scum target, yet happy to vote with him for Natsu.

[ROUND ONE]

your other reason is also BS given I had made 4 RVS posts at that point

ellitells are hit or miss but they aren't always miss

I like Luca's catchup, this is better to pursue: VOTE: Arthur

what do you like about it? he only commits to a townread on you 0.o

Excuse me but I intentionally helped get Hectic to L-1 in order to have a wagon to analyze. I believe it was Pikachu who said that wagon analysis is overrated (another reason I'm suspect of him, I could have easily lost my last game as scum if people just stared at the L-1 wagons long enough).

I didn't say wagon analysis is overrated; I said wagon analysis pre-flip is kinda pointless

~Moving onto other players. I still feel like Hectic is a townlean. The tunneling on Arthur could be a scum move.

?

Even though the bickering you two had seemed manufactured, Pikachu is doing that with everyone he scumreads.

doing what? bickering or having confidence in my reads?

Hectic/Natsu: Scum - Early on I saw them as a pair. I didn't see real attempts at trying to lynch each other, they then tried to distance themselves.

can you identify which posts make you feel this way?

I come back and see 3 votes on Artur but still not Artur, I feel scammed.
Also, I'm moving Luca into a townlean here.

which posts specifically did you like?

R1 sounds very innocent idk how to explain it but their tone is so pure i cant ever vote them here

sure but they look like they're kinda making me lose interest in this game so

sure but they look like they're kinda making me lose interest in this game so

hooooooooooooooooooo boy

[ROUND ONE]

kinda feel like r1 is playing in a deliberately anti-fun manner? this is newbie queue not "play in an intentionally annoying manner" queue

watch him try and push me for this
look kid, youve been pulling that shit the whole game
you cant just get upset as soon as you get annoyed

[ROUND ONE]

so far into page 17: pikachu is like semi-flailing for some reason

[ROUND ONE]

Town
Me
Arthur
72

Null (top is town-null,bottom is scumnull)
DK
Natsu

Scumreads
Luca
DP
Hectic

Naturally im sure the nullreads are town *for now*, but in a case I had to lynch between them id pick Natsu

Hmm, why did you specify who you'd lynch in your nullreads when you already clarified DK was town null and Natsu scum null?
Seems like an odd thing to focus on rather than your scumreads.

oh i added that after
and then just didnt remove that last part
because me smart

[ROUND ONE]

i dont remember pog

i think round 1 is pretty much just playing scummy day 1 because they are numb to caring about day 1.....i have them as my number 2 town read.

no no i just do that sometimes
also I act scummy as town and scum
and TWTBW is a thing
so it all balances out
and I like always get TR'd while still being open to every single strategy without being scrutinized for using it
I can also try sometimes, I dont do that often

[ROUND ONE]

Luca: Null - He was interactive in his scum game and distant in his town game, he is being a different kind of interactive this game... but he knows I know that(I know what you're trying to do)

Pikachu: Null - I don't see scum targeting each other like that

72o: Town - Was paranoid in his town game but I'd say it is more likely that he just feels more confident that his first game(I know I did)

Hectic/Natsu: Scum - Early on I saw them as a pair. I didn't see real attempts at trying to lynch each other, they then tried to distance themselves.

R1: Town - good boy

Arthur: Town - Just playing the odds; he seemed like he really wanted to be able to solve the game but we were too silly for him

Koba: Null - Sure

"R1: Town - good boy"
dont

R1: Town - Good girl

ok thats better in one way but not in the other way

this furthered my town read on round one

this had nothing to do with the game whatsoever