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[Flavor Leaf]

It was pretty much my way of telling EP I wanted his vote on Ank or Maria. Drunk rn, watched the Oscars, so.

[Gammagooey]

I finally did some rereading but I don't have a ton of time to post before work, though also I apparently missed a recent chunk of posting of like 9 pages of FL and nom and firebringer and ank yesterday that I still haven't gone over in the actual order it happened so weeeee

I'm not ULTRA confident in it but I've liked EP's posts in the past two game days - stuff like this
viewtopic.php?p=11547437#p11547437
and
viewtopic.php?p=11566818#p11566818

feel genuine to me and like he's legit trying to get his scum reads lynched

Kuribo's nom read also feels genuine to me (in that I very much think he believes it) to the point where I REALLY think a nom-scum flip means that kuribo is town

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Also, I'll at least be actually caught up by lateish tonight, but if ya'll wouldn't mind I could really use a reset of just people restating why they're voting who they are with like 2 sentences of why they think X is scum - this game is really difficult to parse and I could use the help in trying to understand what's going on in people's heads a little better.

[EspressoPatronum]

From gobble:
@MariaR why does an Ank scum flip make me town and FL scum?

@Ank what do you think of the FL+MariaR hood stuff?

Gobble suggests we lynch MariaR or lynch nom+venge MariaR to test it. A MariaR scum flip strongly suggests FL is scum.

[nomnomnom]

What about your Ank stuff??

If we're lynching someone else than Ank, it's FB.

[Firebringer]

I am coming around to the idea of lynching nom even though I think it hurts town

[Ankamius]

Hmm

[EspressoPatronum]

What about your Ank stuff??

If we're lynching someone else than Ank, it's FB.

If the FL stuff is real, then all my Ank stuff is possibly wrong.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.

VOTE: FB

[EspressoPatronum]

Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.

VOTE: FB

How does the gamestate prove FB is scum?

And further, if we're looking at FL+Maria vs Ank, why vote outside of that?

The reason gobble suggested killing you was because I told him a MariaR lynch would probably be tough to get through today. Killing you and having you venge her achieves the same result, albeit in an inefficient manner.

[Ankamius]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[nomnomnom]

Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.

VOTE: FB

How does the gamestate prove FB is scum?

And further, if we're looking at FL+Maria vs Ank, why vote outside of that?

The reason gobble suggested killing you was because I told him a MariaR lynch would probably be tough to get through today. Killing you and having you venge her achieves the same result, albeit in an inefficient manner.

I explained a few pages ago, just before you told me to lynch ank so a50 gets a vig shot.

[panthaleon]

Wow that was like 20 pages of actual nothing

[Ankamius]

I'm starting to wonder who's town getting stuck in this dichotomy and who is scum abusing it

[panthaleon]

I don't really know what's happening but at this time I'm not sure that I buy kuribo rage as coming from a scum slot. I think he might just be having an off game and raging about it.

For the people wanting to lynch nom, I thought we had come to a pretty clear consensus that she is playing terribly as town.

Ank is concerning me because they seem to skip between defeatist spiraling and confidence. I'm not really sure what the angle is there

[nomnomnom]

Wow that was like 20 pages of actual nothing

did we read the same pages

[panthaleon]

Look at a certain point people flopping their ego around and shitposting all kinda blur into a hazy mass

[nomnomnom]

I mean there were 2 potential slips and discussions about this gamestate, and also a lot of movement which is kinda important don't you think

[Ankamius]

Hot take: scum!nom3 was pushed into the vengeful spot to use scum actions freely rather than for the vengeful shot

[Ankamius]

The game suddenly makes a lot of sense mechanically when you assume scum can't use an action or kill the same night you vote in the neighborhood ability, doesn't it.

[Ankamius]

That also means two scum in one neighborhood can be balanced.

[Firebringer]

I mean there were 2 potential slips and discussions about this gamestate, and also a lot of movement which is kinda important don't you think

What was the second one?

[Firebringer]

I don't really know what's happening but at this time I'm not sure that I buy kuribo rage as coming from a scum slot. I think he might just be having an off game and raging about it.

For the people wanting to lynch nom, I thought we had come to a pretty clear consensus that she is playing terribly as town.

Ank is concerning me because they seem to skip between defeatist spiraling and confidence. I'm not really sure what the angle is there

Townreading kuribo for rage is as bad as townreading me for shitposting

[Ankamius]

FB what are your team's reads atm

[Ankamius]

I think I'm really close to a true solve but I need a bit more

[Gammagooey]

The game suddenly makes a lot of sense mechanically when you assume scum can't use an action or kill the same night you vote in the neighborhood ability, doesn't it.

no

it's a group vote that does an ability that's has the potential to be blocked by another group vote ability and presumably nothing else

how would that make sense with scum having to abstain from voting for basically no reason except to make their night action planning overly complex