Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[rb]

Bored of your tunnel. My "attempt to play the game" is because I've been paying too much attention to you when I shouldn't.

so you only tried to play the game because you got pressured?

[rb]

Pink Ball can you please show me where I was apparently rude to you?

i have been commenting on how you're playing this game of mafia. how is that rude, exactly?

[rb]

TSH is an erratic player and that's about all i'm gathering atm

i certainly don't like players who are unclear about their meanings/wordings but i often brainvomit myself and do exactly that. i think they're low-hanging fruit today

[clidd]

also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"

and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth

thanx

You don't understand my sense of humor and that's fine.

And you're tunneling me, that's fine too.

'Cause saying I have no content, while the gamestate is not content full at all, is just plain stupid. Whats your content other than "calling me out" and antagonizing me? Whats rooroo's content? Whats clidd's content (before I pushed him)?

You just have something on with me, and the worst of it is that you are wrong.

I would understand if your read involved the numerical fact of my posts, considering my low participation. However, this assimilation of a reactive point that, supposedly, classifies me as a potential scum for posting in a certain period of time, disregarding external factors, is quite strange and far from being consistent with a reflective intention, as you seem to believe. In others words, it would be clearer if your pseudo-pressure were carried out in a clearer way, without being overshadowed by the suggestive bias I felt coming from the vague explanation accompanied by your vote.

[clidd]

I believe that opinions are valid, as long as they are justified in a honest way. Which, in this case, did not occur.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

damn clidd, do you work in academia or something?

[clidd]

But, of course, I'm not accusing you or anything like that. I haven't reached the point of analysis yet, considering it is too early.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I prefer Amrun to TSH at this point. From my experiences/thoughts about Mafia as a whole, I generally agree with her stance on TSH's reactions/defensiveness.

Where are you at with your reads right now?

[clidd]

damn clidd, do you work in academia or something?

Privacidad.

[clidd]

No, i don't.

[Amrun]

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Why wouldn’t a thought that you didn’t like something merit a vote? It’s early game and low content - that’s exactly what we need to move the game forward. VOTE: TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

Yeah no it’s not panicky nor obv scum.
It’s that you casually found a reason to jump onto my wagon.
If you wanna be like that - Ty for scum claiming.

And what makes you want to increase numbers on me?
For reaction?
Doubt.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.

This post is scummy right here.
There’s a difference between “not liking” and “thinking it’s scummy”
I still think your being opportunistic.
Do you even scum read me?

-TSE

Not liking posts is basically synonymous with finding the post scummy, or at least that’s the colloquial use of it. Stretch.

[Amrun]

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

I actually got the opposite read from his reaction.

So do you townread him?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

I actually got the opposite read from his reaction.

So do you townread him?

Yes

[Amrun]

rb continues to bleed town. Feeling pretty good about clid also.


Also, seeing TSH all over this thread is making me feel like I’m at work. I kinda hate it. Lol

[Amrun]

Eh, I don’t hate your stance, cat. I just disagree.

[TrueSoulHustler]

Not liking something = thinking it's scummy, TSE.

Eh, what I look at it it’s more like “I think the post could have been done differently or shouldn’t have been put there”
Yes I guess I wouldn’t be fond of it and would question why it was done.
But it isn’t always directly scummy.
Although it can be, but not always.
Although again your not entirely wrong as some people view scummy as bad posts.
I don’t directly view it scummy as I view high quality Bad Post or a consistency of bad posts scummy.
Rather then something casually said.
Or a Reaction.

The vote I have placed on Amrun is them being Opportunistic.
Or at least I feel as if they are.
But again, I feel it’s a bad post.
However, if they give back reactions or consistent shade/additional signs of being opportunistic.
It would lead to be scummy.
But yeah. I understand.
To most people Bad Posts = Scummy Posts.
I just don’t view it like that.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

Well what the hell.
Why not.
Clidd can be IC.

-TSE

Also, why does that make clidd an IC?

From his previous posts.
It makes him above rand town.
Which I’m calling an IC for now.
Can I not do that?

You seem defensive. IC implies strong townread, not above rand-town. Also, why is clidd proving his pop-in was NAI even make him above rand-town?

So do you think this?
(Answers Question = Defensive)
Cause that’s all I did there.

It felt to me like he Town Slipped there.
Or implied it to the point I can consider him IC for now.
Also other then me, what’s your full Reads?

[rb]

also can we note that pink ball's only apparent scumread is someone they then unvoted for them "speaking spanish"

and then vote pink ball who continues to flounder and provide no content of any worth

thanx

You don't understand my sense of humor and that's fine.

And you're tunneling me, that's fine too.

'Cause saying I have no content, while the gamestate is not content full at all, is just plain stupid. Whats your content other than "calling me out" and antagonizing me? Whats rooroo's content? Whats clidd's content (before I pushed him)?

You just have something on with me, and the worst of it is that you are wrong.

I would understand if your read involved the numerical fact of my posts, considering my low participation. However, this assimilation of a reactive point that, supposedly, classifies me as a potential scum for posting in a certain period of time, disregarding external factors, is quite strange and far from being consistent with a reflective intention, as you seem to believe. In others words, it would be clearer if your pseudo-pressure were carried out in a clearer way, without being overshadowed by the suggestive bias I felt coming from the vague explanation accompanied by your vote.

this is a very wordy way of saying what i also think, yes

[TrueSoulHustler]

Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

I think I’m not explaining myself right and for that I apologize.
Bad Posts is ok to push a vote on and I’m not denying that.
I’m saying I don’t believe Bad Posts to mean instantly scummy.
As I voted Amrun for a Bad Post “Opportunistic” not that it was scummy but to apply pressure and call them
out.
Also notice Amrun said “Applying Pressure” but there’s already pressure on me via 2 people.
Their using a bad excuse like “Applying Pressure” to have a purpose for a vote on my wagon.

[Hectic]

TSE, you're arguing semantics. My point was that "not liking" implied finding it scummy in that context. Or as Amrun said, it's a colloquial way of saying it. I'm aware that you can have bad posts which aren't scummy.
The "Can I not do that?" is what pinged me as defensive.
I posted some reads earlier in my ISO.

Could you show me where you think clidd townslipped?

[TrueSoulHustler]

Like if 2 people are already applying pressure, another instantly applying it only increases the chance of the person’s wagon to be miss lynched.
They could have voted on another player and apply pressure there.
If you do want to vote me as you want to increase numbers on my wagon You should be voting me based on reaction or because you didn’t like a post of mine. Voting for “Pressure” when 2 others are already doing it is kinda a shit and opportunistic reason.
Sure. You can say I’m being defensive.
But how exactly is one suppose to be aggressive when one is forced to defend themselves.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

Well I think Defensiveness means Defending Myself.
Or at least that’s what I’m getting at.

[TrueSoulHustler]

rb continues to bleed town. Feeling pretty good about clid also.


Also, seeing TSH all over this thread is making me feel like I’m at work. I kinda hate it. Lol

Why do I make you feel like your at work?

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

TSE, you're arguing semantics. My point was that "not liking" implied finding it scummy in that context. Or as Amrun said, it's a colloquial way of saying it. I'm aware that you can have bad posts which aren't scummy.
The "Can I not do that?" is what pinged me as defensive.
I posted some reads earlier in my ISO.

Could you show me where you think clidd townslipped?

Oh I sometimes I’ll be like that when I get irritated.
The post where he showed his posts in thread from this to an ongoing game felt Townie then scummy.
It’s more or less angel shooting though.
As I’m considering him IC for now.
So mainly for the rest of Day 1.