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Post Post #7900 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:53 pm

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In post 7894, Iconeum wrote:.

Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE


Scumteam read of Math WITH RCE. We know RCE flipped town, math still scum. No reconsideration. Bad progression
Note the 'probably'. Those reads are unrelated to each other
Also sorry for ruining quotes etc I'm on phone and not have the ass to sit and edit like the previous post
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Post Post #7901 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:01 am

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In post 7894, Iconeum wrote:'swinging back and forth on math' is good enough. But Ari you don't have anything AGAINST lynching him? Since when? He's only been in your solve extremely recently? If he's the ONLY player you can see lynched, why wasn't he in your solve before?
So lemme see what you're trying to say

I had a pool of three people I saw scum in
One dies, flips town
I am not allowed to add others to this pool?
So like
I am forced to form a read and then go head to the wall until it breaks, and no option to reconsider?

Oh wait, didn't you just accuse me of not reconsidering
But the pool did change
So I did reconsider
But math and xtomx are still there
So I didn't rconsider

Dude. Stop. You are allowed to reconsider whenever. After reconsidering, you may definitely get to the same conclusion that you previously had. You may also change that. You may also partially change that, like, keeping math and xtomx and adding Ari.

You're looking for 'progression'of the tunnel kind, I. E., Someone scumreads someone and along the game that read gets stronger.

Well sadly formyou, I HAVE been swinging on my reads, which confuses you. It's hard, you know, not knowing who scum is perfectly. Sometimes I changed my mind! Sometimes I didn't!

Honestly I don't even know what I'm defnding against
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Post Post #7902 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:03 am

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Alright back to work that wasn't so long actually
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Post Post #7903 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:16 am

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honestly if shos v math is Town v Town ur both doing a great job not giving each other a chance here
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Post Post #7904 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:17 am

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shos what are your reasons *against* lynching xtoxm today from your pov?
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Post Post #7905 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:36 am

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shos, you said that the RCE lynch was because of mechanics, not because of him being/playing scummy. Correct?
In post 7897, shos wrote:Yesterday I thought Math/RCE/xtomx, yesToday I was *gut* townreading Math, but if you read today's posts you'll see that I am practically against him in every thought. Also I don't see why the flip has me reconsider? I reconsider all the time, regardless of the flip. (
In this case RCE was to be lynched because of the failed kill and JK, not necessarily because of his play; and that has nothing to do with Math
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I wonder why you feel that way now, because previously you said all of this:

Spoiler:
In post 6711, shos wrote:
In post 6679, Bellaphant wrote:I jailkept rce night one
Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch
In post 6732, shos wrote:
In post 6713, Iconeum wrote:
In post 6711, shos wrote:
In post 6679, Bellaphant wrote:I jailkept rce night one
Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch
You realize an jailkeep and no night kill can implicate either a save or a guilty, right?
Why so quick to draw lynch conclusion?
Do you really think someone would shoot RCE N1?
In post 6902, shos wrote:
In post 6841, Iconeum wrote:Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring
+1 to that
I think if we add RCE to that pool we're solved
2 scum in {xtom Math RCE}
In post 6903, shos wrote:
In post 6880, Flopz wrote:
In post 6879, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5197, Iconeum wrote:ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing
doc!Ico
on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.
That’s called a doctor claim (see bolded)
That is not a Doctor claim.
.

Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE
In post 6913, shos wrote:Umm I made a mistake
VOTE: RCE
this is superior to Math
In post 7153, shos wrote:
In post 7067, Iconeum wrote:Don't really disagree with you there.

Shos has associatives with RCE, but i need to look further to prove this.
Deepwolf according to my feelings is teacher rather then skitter tho.

However how skitter was 'enabling' my push on you, math, did feel off (gut)

Ok glad we have this talk lol
With RCE? If any, against RCE - iirc my team and I expressed suspicion that way, and I'm voting there atm
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Post Post #7906 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:41 am

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In post 7901, shos wrote:I had a pool of three people I saw scum inOne dies, flips townI am not allowed to add others to this pool?So likeI am forced to form a read and then go head to the wall until it breaks, and no option to reconsider?Oh wait, didn't you just accuse me of not reconsideringBut the pool did changeSo I did reconsiderBut math and xtomx are still thereSo I didn't rconsiderDude. Stop. You are allowed to reconsider whenever. After reconsidering, you may definitely get to the same conclusion that you previously had. You may also change that. You may also partially change that, like, keeping math and xtomx and adding Ari
you explicitely mentioned you thought RCE/math were a scumteam

RCE flipped town

math remains independently scummy according to you, but you just add a new name to your solve without going thru any kind of thoughts process about the flip
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Post Post #7907 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:37 am

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In post 6487, RadiantCowbells wrote:If Shos is scum Sau is 100% scum as well

Sau could be scum with Shos being town though so Sau is superior lynch
In post 6620, RadiantCowbells wrote:My locktownreads in {RC Ico Math Flopz Skitter} are very very probably not wrong.
all hail our overlord (rip) in the afterlife, probably shouting at us because we havent lynched shos yet
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Post Post #7908 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:04 am

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In post 7904, Iconeum wrote:shos what are your reasons *against* lynching xtoxm today from your pov?
The only thing that gave me pause is the whole hood thing. I know there's an option of traitor and the practical option I noted, but is it really what happened?
Anyway - since I had that pause xtomx has posted and really badly. I won't cry at that Lynch at all.
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Post Post #7909 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:06 am

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In post 7905, Iconeum wrote:shos, you said that the RCE lynch was because of mechanics, not because of him being/playing scummy. Correct?
In post 7897, shos wrote:Yesterday I thought Math/RCE/xtomx, yesToday I was *gut* townreading Math, but if you read today's posts you'll see that I am practically against him in every thought. Also I don't see why the flip has me reconsider? I reconsider all the time, regardless of the flip. (
In this case RCE was to be lynched because of the failed kill and JK, not necessarily because of his play; and that has nothing to do with Math
).
I wonder why you feel that way now, because previously you said all of this:

Spoiler:
In post 6711, shos wrote:
In post 6679, Bellaphant wrote:I jailkept rce night one
Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch
In post 6732, shos wrote:
In post 6713, Iconeum wrote:
In post 6711, shos wrote:
In post 6679, Bellaphant wrote:I jailkept rce night one
Btw I'd totally go for an RCE ISO today with possibility of lynch
You realize an jailkeep and no night kill can implicate either a save or a guilty, right?
Why so quick to draw lynch conclusion?
Do you really think someone would shoot RCE N1?
In post 6902, shos wrote:
In post 6841, Iconeum wrote:Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring
+1 to that
I think if we add RCE to that pool we're solved
2 scum in {xtom Math RCE}
In post 6903, shos wrote:
In post 6880, Flopz wrote:
In post 6879, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5197, Iconeum wrote:ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing
doc!Ico
on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.
That’s called a doctor claim (see bolded)
That is not a Doctor claim.
.

Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE
In post 6913, shos wrote:Umm I made a mistake
VOTE: RCE
this is superior to Math
In post 7153, shos wrote:
In post 7067, Iconeum wrote:Don't really disagree with you there.

Shos has associatives with RCE, but i need to look further to prove this.
Deepwolf according to my feelings is teacher rather then skitter tho.

However how skitter was 'enabling' my push on you, math, did feel off (gut)

Ok glad we have this talk lol
With RCE? If any, against RCE - iirc my team and I expressed suspicion that way, and I'm voting there atm
...all of that supports what I said - what's the problem?
The moment we got the jailkeep claim I wanted to Lynch RCE. Am I missing something
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Post Post #7910 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:08 am

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In post 7906, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7901, shos wrote:I had a pool of three people I saw scum inOne dies, flips townI am not allowed to add others to this pool?So likeI am forced to form a read and then go head to the wall until it breaks, and no option to reconsider?Oh wait, didn't you just accuse me of not reconsideringBut the pool did changeSo I did reconsiderBut math and xtomx are still thereSo I didn't rconsiderDude. Stop. You are allowed to reconsider whenever. After reconsidering, you may definitely get to the same conclusion that you previously had. You may also change that. You may also partially change that, like, keeping math and xtomx and adding Ari
you explicitely mentioned you thought RCE/math were a scumteam

RCE flipped town

math remains independently scummy according to you, but you just add a new name to your solve without going thru any kind of thoughts process about the flip
WHAT THOUGHT PROCESS CAN YOU GET
It's like a not-necesaarily-sane cop claims guilty on X, X is lynched and flips town, cop gets killed. This has no bearing on anyone else.
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Post Post #7911 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:13 am

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In post 7909, shos wrote:...all of that supports what I said - what's the problem?
your entire story doesn't make sense

you don't scumread him but you want him lynched because of the claim

but you do scumread him acoording to ISO

it's full and full and full of contradictions (your reads)
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Post Post #7912 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:32 am

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In post 7911, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7909, shos wrote:...all of that supports what I said - what's the problem?
your entire story doesn't make sense

you don't scumread him but you want him lynched because of the claim

but you do scumread him acoording to ISO

it's full and full and full of contradictions (your reads)
Literally every post you quoted in 7905 is against RCE after the JK claim. I don't understand what seems like a contradiction to you. Please link me to two contradicting posts and I'll answer.

Btw that post where I voted RCE saying I made a mistake? I wrote about my thoughts in the team PT, and then they were like, so why you vote math over RCE? And I was like uhhhhhhh so I simply changed it. Wondering how long that vote stood
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Post Post #7913 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:36 am

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UNVOTE:

we can continue this later

don't want a lynch yet

need other opinions on this
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Post Post #7914 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:29 am

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Aristophanes Jan 03, 05:50am Feb 11, 06:53am 1 day 17 hours 501
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Post Post #7915 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:56 am

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Sorry I absolutely crashed last night. I can’t catch up now but will be on around 10
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Post Post #7916 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:01 pm

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Post Post #7917 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:07 pm

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In post 7874, Iconeum wrote:In a world where my gut is right, and both shos and math (do you TvT read those 2?) are town, who is scum?

Ari/flopz/xtoxm solves the game then, right?
i'm not sure i can confidentally say that math/shos is tvt
i'm confident they aren't svs and that's it

in ari/flopz/xtoxm i'd want flopz the most
how are you reading flopz again?
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Post Post #7918 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:08 pm

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In post 7877, MathBlade wrote:Shos has pushed no lynch for how long now?

And that’s with some wagon pressure?

Do you expect shos to all of a sudden give “actual” reads anytime soon? No one is making him and since he is scum it’s in his team’s best interest for him to wet noodle. I don’t see him giving a single read or doing jack.

People get townreads by being town helping town and contributing. That’s how this works.
but the exasperation is townie tho, that's why i'm having trouble ...
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Post Post #7919 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:08 pm

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In post 7880, Iconeum wrote:Can we go over the townblock again?

Ico/Math/skitter/teacher

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all scum in shos/ari/xtoxm/flopz?
i'm still not solid on town!math
otherwise i agree
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Post Post #7920 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:10 pm

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In post 7886, shos wrote:@7874: clearly it did buy him most of the game's townreads based on this logcal fallacy. Add the unprovability of anything said in that context and chaching? Profit!

Also if you really want some hard scumreads, my current go is VOTE: math and xtomx/Ari as partner.
i'm confused why you're going math over xtoxm here given ur xtoxm stance
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Post Post #7921 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:14 pm

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VOTE: flopz
i don't feel great about my math vote anymore
and i'm not convinced that shos is scum either

i'm at the point where i am willing to do ari as well
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Post Post #7922 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:20 pm

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actually UNVOTE:
i need to think about this some more when i'm not as tired

the stalled gamestate is starting to creep me out actually
like this sort of thing happens when scum are either content with the gamestate or when they're relectant to push through a scum lynch and i don't know which way i ought to be reading this rn
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Post Post #7923 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:55 pm

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In post 7916, skitter30 wrote:aaaaaarrrrrriiiii
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Post Post #7924 (ISO) » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:56 pm

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In post 7914, shos wrote:Aristophanes Jan 03, 05:50am Feb 11, 06:53am 1 day 17 hours 501
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Yes uggh I know. I hate myself this phase. I'm sorry.

Also tho you're scum so #sorrynotsorry?
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